Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#12369 Feb 5, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Yes, I know. If it were, there would probably be Supreme Court cases adjuducating on teaching it in the public schools.
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I am not attempting to make atheism shine. I just want your church to fade from view.
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I have no hatred - just contempt. And I will not tolerate your church poking its nose into my life if I don't have to.
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Thanks for the tips, but I doubt you know what I want.
I'm not interested in promoting atheism, just opposing the Christian church. I consider it a victory not when a person converts to atheism, but when they repudiate your church, and stop allowing it to determine who they hate and how they'll vote.
That is why "irreligious " and "none of the above" is a much more important number than the fraction using the words "atheist, " "agnostic, " "freethinker, " "humanist, " and "skeptic. "
You can be Buddhist, Jainist, Taoist or Bahai, and I'm cool with that, because you won't be underwriting or carrying water for Christian atheophobia, homophobia, sexual guilt, antiscientism, the demeaning of mankind, or any of the other gifts that your church has given us.
So many more nones than Nuns in the world. Good thing.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12370 Feb 5, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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And? Just because I believe in Jesus doesn't mean I can't also see the common sense in evolution? Again, labels schmabels.
With faith, all things are possible, even mutually contradictory things.

If evolution is correct, the Christian bible is not.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#12371 Feb 5, 2013
If only you Christholes would do that instead of vilifying everyone who doesn't accept your Jesus myth as real.
insidesecrets wrote:
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Then live and let live.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12372 Feb 5, 2013
BBSting wrote:
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Baloney!
"Dr Barrett claimed anthropologists have found that in some cultures children believe in God even when religious teachings are withheld from them."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/3512...
That should make you proud - still doing the same magical thinking that a young child does. Children also believe that when they cover their faces, you can't see them.

"The church doesn't like for people to grow up, because you can't control grown-ups. That's why we talk about being born again. When you're 'born again' you're still a child. People don't need to be born again, they need to grow up." - Bishop John Shelby Spong

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12373 Feb 5, 2013
Tom Jones wrote:
Science is broken.
It's undermining your mythology.

Because your church has cast itself in the role of the alternative to science, every scientific achievement is perceived as a setback for religion.

How about that Higgs boson? How about a standing for scientific prophecy and the scientist at CERN who found that it exactly where it was prophesied! And not in terns of vague riddles, either - like Psalms, Isaiah, Nostradamus, Chinese fortune cookies, horoscopes and the Magic 8-Ball. Specific energies.

The prophets of science told us EXACTLY where to look and EXACTLY what we would find there, something never seen before. The physicists said, "Look at this very high energy, and if we're right about reality, you'll find Higgs." And lo and behold, it was. There is absolutely nothing in your bible even remotely resembling that.

Science is broken? Hardly. Our magic is greater than your god.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12374 Feb 5, 2013
rio wrote:
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You must be the most stupid jerk onm this thread.
TAX Exempted means that a charity is self supporting, but doesn't pay taxes on its income (fund raising, donations, etc...).
TAX Supported means that a charity receives money from the state.
In the first case, it doesn't receive public money
In the second case, it does!
Since churches are NON-PROFIT organisations, they are TAX-EXEMPTED. A church isn't a business, nor does it exist to make money out of its operations. At least not in UK. It just exists to fullfil its pastoral duty.
Only a complete moron can't understand that!
If the churches keep more in taxes not paid than they spend on matters of values to the taxpayers, then they are a burden on the taxpayers. In America, this is estimated to be in excess of 71 billion dollars a year. I'm pretty sure that the churches don't spend nearly that on matters of interest to the general public, and I sure wouldn't take their word for it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12375 Feb 5, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
You are not following the conversation. If the scientific method is becoming more and more unreliable, the facts it produces are likewise unreliable.
"You stare into your high definition plasma screen monitor, type into your cordless keyboard then hit enter which causes your computer to convert all that visual data into a binary signal that’s processed by millions of precise circuits, which is then converted to a frequency modulated signal to reach you wireless router where it is then converted to light waves and sent along a large fiber optics cable to be processed by a super computer on a mass server which then sends that bit you typed to a satellite orbiting the earth that was put there through the greatest feats of engineering and science, all so it could go back through a similar pathway to make it all the way here to my computer monitor 15,000 miles away from you just so you could say,“Science is all a bunch of man made hogwash.”- anon.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12376 Feb 5, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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You are a walking encyclopedia of disinformation. It was "questioning" that created schisms in the Roman Catholic Church and resulted in the formation of Protestant denominations.
The rest of your post doesn't warrant comment.
And every time that religion is questioned by believers, another denomination is born. We have over 38,000 of them in America now. Science has only the one.

"Explain why there are several hundred thousand gods accepted by different religious people, but only one periodic table accepted by different scientists" – anon

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12377 Feb 5, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
An accident is anything that happens by chance.
Nope.

Accident - an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance, lack of intention or necessity.

The appearance of life may have been inevitable even if there was nobody to foresee it or plan it. Two asteroids are colliding somewhere right now - unforeseen and inevitable, but not by chance.
insidesecrets wrote:
What is called supernatural is divine thought, which exists within and behind all of creation.
Poltergeists are called supernatural.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12378 Feb 5, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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Scientific peer review when ultimately tilted towards positive results, invites misconduct and dishonesty. Pharmaceutical companies for instance, have little interest in publishing results that aren’t favorable. They don’t want to see a null result. Researchers therefore engage in “significance chasing,” or interpreting data so it passes the statistical test of significance. Validating a hypothesis is all the more gratifying if there’s financial gain to be made.
Beofre you proceed any further, you should probably know that secularists don't accept scientific opinions from theists - just from the consensus of experts in good standing in the relevant scientific fields. If the experts say that the theory of evolution is sound and valid science, then the issue is settled until and unless they say otherwise. You and your church have no vote.

But don't go feeling picked on! It's not just theists that the scientists ignore. If rodeo clowns were to say that "scientific peer review [is] ultimately tilted towards positive results," nobody would bat an eye at that, right? So why should it be different when you theists say it? It shouldn't.

Likewise, if a consortium of crack whores were to publish a position paper saying, "researchers engage in significance chasing," nobody would care about that, either - right? Can you see why that makes sense? It's not just you.

Likewise, nobody cares what NAMBLA, Domino's Pizza, or the NFL have to say about evolution, either. Not a one of them has a say or gets a vote on what constitutes good science. So please don't feel discriminated against.

If it comforts you to know, my lay opinion doesn't matter to the experts either, even though I happen to agree with them.

So where do you think that the opinions of theists rank relative to those of the clowns, whores and pedophiles? Not surprisingly, it's beneath all of them. Why?

Whereas crack whores and rodeo clowns are merely unqualified to contradict the experts, the theists actually have an agenda to subvert science, which places their opinions just a tad lower.

You have zero standing in the Great Conversation.
rio

Bromley, UK

#12379 Feb 5, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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If the churches keep more in taxes not paid than they spend on matters of values to the taxpayers, then they are a burden on the taxpayers. In America, this is estimated to be in excess of 71 billion dollars a year. I'm pretty sure that the churches don't spend nearly that on matters of interest to the general public, and I sure wouldn't take their word for it.
I speak about the UK, which is what I know best.

Churches, like the Church of England, have to maintain the many buildings they own.
They have to provide a stipendary (wages) for their clercy.
They have to subsidide parishes, pay gas, water and electricity bills and other expenses.
They support their own education centers for priesthood.
They finance their media, publish books, pamphlets, CD, DVD, educational material, etc...
Churches also financially support charities, their own and others too.
Churches conduct pastoral duties towards the hospitals, the hospices, the retirement homes, the prisons, the schools, the universities, etc...

I think the public purse is better off exempting churches from taxations than having to support them!

Just look at Germany, where the churches are state supported, and clerics paid by the government, it's an outcry every year when the collossal bill is discussed at the Bundestag! Church goers in Germany pay a special tax to finance the religious expenses afforded by the country. It's an endless subject of discord.

I much prefer the British system. We don't pay for churches, they are financed by voluntary contributions, taxations and the gestion of their portfolio.

I cannot comment about the USA.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12380 Feb 5, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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Hearing about spirituality is not the same as experiencing it. Try it sometime, you might like it.
What would a Christian know about spirituality? How could you possibly know anything about it given your beliefs? Hint: it has nothing to do with magic, ghosts or spirits.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#12381 Feb 5, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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It's undermining your mythology.
Because your church has cast itself in the role of the alternative to science, every scientific achievement is perceived as a setback for religion.
How about that Higgs boson? How about a standing for scientific prophecy and the scientist at CERN who found that it exactly where it was prophesied! And not in terns of vague riddles, either - like Psalms, Isaiah, Nostradamus, Chinese fortune cookies, horoscopes and the Magic 8-Ball. Specific energies.
The prophets of science told us EXACTLY where to look and EXACTLY what we would find there, something never seen before. The physicists said, "Look at this very high energy, and if we're right about reality, you'll find Higgs." And lo and behold, it was. There is absolutely nothing in your bible even remotely resembling that.
Science is broken? Hardly. Our magic is greater than your god.
Excellent post, sir!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12383 Feb 5, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
Only when you don't understand the use of metaphors in transcendent thought.
Transcendent? From Pat Condell:

"The word "transcendent" is very popular with religious hustlers because they never have to explain precisely what they mean by it, other than some vague superior state of understanding more profound than mere reason ... If you hear a senior clergyman (and you will) using the word “transcendent" to explain the nonsense he claims to believe, then you know two things: one: he doesn't know what he's talking about, and two: he doesn't want you to know what he's talking about either.

"Faith-peddlers like to put themselves beyond question by claiming that their faith transcends reason, the very thing that calls it to account. How convenient. Yes, faith transcends reason the way a criminal transcends the law.

"Faith doesn't transcend reason at all. Faith sidesteps reason. It runs away from reason."
rio

Bromley, UK

#12384 Feb 5, 2013
rio wrote:
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they are financed by voluntary contributions, taxations and the gestion of their portfolio.
I meant donations, not taxation!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#12385 Feb 5, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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That which is beyond the ordinary range of human comprehension cannot be objectified...hence the necessity for metaphors.
Here in the 21st century, you are forced to call your scriptures that have been discredited "metaphor," analogous to somebody caught in a lie saying that he was "Just kidding ... don't be so literal."

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#12386 Feb 5, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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It's undermining your mythology.
Because your church has cast itself in the role of the alternative to science, every scientific achievement is perceived as a setback for religion.
How about that Higgs boson? How about a standing for scientific prophecy and the scientist at CERN who found that it exactly where it was prophesied! And not in terns of vague riddles, either - like Psalms, Isaiah, Nostradamus, Chinese fortune cookies, horoscopes and the Magic 8-Ball. Specific energies.
The prophets of science told us EXACTLY where to look and EXACTLY what we would find there, something never seen before. The physicists said, "Look at this very high energy, and if we're right about reality, you'll find Higgs." And lo and behold, it was. There is absolutely nothing in your bible even remotely resembling that.
Science is broken? Hardly. Our magic is greater than your god.
Not to mention the top quark before that and the W and Z particles before that. And that doesn't mention the host of particles that aren't fundamental (being made of quarks, for example) but are accurately predicted by the theory. And it isn't just the energies, it is also the spins, the parities, the interaction strengths, and other specific properties of the particles.

All in all, much better 'prophesies' than some non-sense about feet of clay or iron.
insidesecrets

Santa Fe, NM

#12387 Feb 5, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Every year the nut-job republicans, in various state assemblies, introduce bills in an attempt to force the teaching of unsupportable myth (creationism/intelligent design) as science to unsuspecting public school students. The fact that those bills are normally shot down before going very far, doesn't offset the fact that they are introduced in the first place! One would think that being shot down over and over and over again that the idiots would get a clue and stop wasting tax payer monies trying to push their religious agendas on people that don't want it!!
Take it up with your state congressmen.
insidesecrets

Santa Fe, NM

#12388 Feb 5, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>I'll "live and let live" the day christians start to do the same.
An eye for an eye. The more you comment, the more Christian-like you seem. In many ways orthodox religion and science are similar. Both loudly proclaim their search for truth. Both treat their beliefs as truth, with which no one should tamper. They each have their own vocabulary which is used to enforce their "exclusive" organizations. They both claim to have the way to truth...science by studying the objective world as if were mere objects without intrinsic values. This is where they part ways. Science, in stating that the universe is an accidental creation, a meaningless happenstance clearly conveys a belief that the universe and man's existence has no value...a belief that separates man from his own mystical nature...for who can rely upon the accidental bubblings of hormones and chemicals that somehow form a stew called consciousness? All that remains is what pleasure or accomplishment can somehow be wrested from man's individual biological processes.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#12389 Feb 5, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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If the story had not been reported in the newspapers, no one would have known it was a hoax. It would have remained one of science's dirty little secrets.
Think about it. It was science that released the findings to the news media.

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