Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Worth watching. Religion in action. You wont find this on the BBC or FOXCRAP.
http://www.aljazeera.com/video/europe/2013/02...

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Best pray for 40 IQ points ok wanker?
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Do you always answer to posts 3 days later?
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polymath257 wrote:
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Which are inherently imprecise and unreliable. Using vague language to make irrational points is not an increase of knowledge.
Neither will ignoring transcendent human experience add to one's knowledge. An atheist looks into the abyss and sees nothing. The theist experiences God, and the abyss opens unto worlds of knowledge.
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Why would you assume that nobody here has experienced a 'transcendental event'? I do assume that such *experiences* exists, but know they are not legitimate. They are one of the many ways that the brain can fool itself; illusions, if you wish.
If it exists, it is legitimate.

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Youtubed it. It was a very interesting interview. Maher looked like a corpse as always, but the other guy did bring up some good points. Not enough to make me convert, of course. But I could definitely view them objectively. Still gonna hang onto my 1st amendment rights.
I looked for that on YouTube and found an earlier interview of Harris on Maher's show dated August 21, 2009. That's probably the one you saw. That was a good interview.

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I just watched most of the recent Sam Harris spot. Unfortunately, the five minutes or so of it that I saw was all about gun control. What he said wasn't too interesting or useful.
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How can you know it is legitimate?
"Are there things in the Universe that we cannot know in the usual way of observing and measuring, but that we can know in some other way -- intuition, revelation, mad insight?
If so, how can you know that what you know in these non-knowing ways is really so?
Anything you know without knowing, others can know only through your flat statement without any proof other than 'I know!'
All this leads to such madness that I, for one, am content with the knowable. That is enough to know." ~ Isaac Asimov
It is not science that makes your life legitimate, it is your own experiences. If you cannot trust your experiences, you end up denying your human nature.
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What has spirituality got that reality plus imagination hasn't?
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The development of one's moral consciousness through "action" which in turn gives meaning and dignity to life.

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It is not science that makes your life legitimate, it is your own experiences. If you cannot trust your experiences, you end up denying your human nature.
Experiences don't make life legitimate either. Just because you believe you can fly doesn't mean you will survive a 50ft fall.

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Lets just put it this way, to be religious (any religion) you first have to be taught that religion. But to be an Atheist you dont have to be taught anything at all, its just a natural state of mind and the way we are all born ...
Fromt he August 21, 2009 appearance of Sam Harris on Bill Maher's show:

BILL MAHER: How did you get to where you are, and what advice would you give to kids today who wanna break into atheism?

SAM HARRIS: Well, I started there, and that's kind of the point.

MAHER: You did?

HARRIS: Yeah, unless you're indoctrinated at some point early on -- it's kind of like smoking -- you tend not to pick it up later in life.

MAHER: As a child, you were an atheist?

HARRIS: Atheism has no content.

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I bet those scientists see god-stuff all the time under the microscope but refuse to publish it!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!
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Neither will ignoring transcendent human experience add to one's knowledge. An atheist looks into the abyss and sees nothing. The theist experiences God, and the abyss opens unto worlds of knowledge.

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The development of one's moral consciousness through "action" which in turn gives meaning and dignity to life.
Atheists aren't here to discuss morals or philosophy. Many theists make the mistake that because religion tries to talk about these subjects, atheism must also.

Atheist is just a classification - a lack of belief or faith in god, In fact from an atheist's point of view, it's not a lack of anything at all.

As many atheists will tell you, they may also have philosophical viewpoints about life, etc.

The problem is that uneducated theists put this pressure on atheists and have an expectation that atheism is out to solve spiritual or philosophical problems, which is absolutely is not trying to do or claiming to do.
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That's just a subset of "reality plus imagination".
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Give me strength! It's not only the US that has to put up with raving religous loonies. I blame brainwashing from birth/or the easily led inadquate! But! Thinking about it. The food and drink of religion has always been about controlling the inadaquate! THINKING for religous types is just not an option. Sad really.
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NO. I have confidence in them in direct proportion to the amount of available independently verified evidence in support of them.
In other words, you have "faith" in Science and it's ever changing theorizing. Only through the belief in God is one able to comprehend an absolute in such an uncertain world.

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There is no stork theory in the Bible.
Yes, I know. If it were, there would probably be Supreme Court cases adjuducating on teaching it in the public schools.
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You will not make atheism shine by bashing Christians and spreading disinformation.
I am not attempting to make atheism shine. I just want your church to fade from view.
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You will not conquer hatred and intolerance with hatred and intolerance.
I have no hatred - just contempt. And I will not tolerate your church poking its nose into my life if I don't have to.
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Atheism must stand on its own merits, whatever those are. That's what you should be promoting.
Thanks for the tips, but I doubt you know what I want.

I'm not interested in promoting atheism, just opposing the Christian church. I consider it a victory not when a person converts to atheism, but when they repudiate your church, and stop allowing it to determine who they hate and how they'll vote.

That is why "irreligious " and "none of the above" is a much more important number than the fraction using the words "atheist, " "agnostic, " "freethinker, " "humanist, " and "skeptic. "

You can be Buddhist, Jainist, Taoist or Bahai, and I'm cool with that, because you won't be underwriting or carrying water for Christian atheophobia, homophobia, sexual guilt, antiscientism, the demeaning of mankind, or any of the other gifts that your church has given us.

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See, atheists form communities, gather in places, collect money, just like churches.
I wonder if they pay taxes on the funds collected.
I wonder if they also pay royalties on the pop music they sing too...
It that catches on, it won't be long before they pay guest speakers at their meetings, create a hierarchy, invest in properties, and claim tax exemption, just like churches.
You could also be describing a book club a knitting circle a biker club and on and on.

In other words...epic fail.

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What does science offer, if not a collection of tentative theories?
Everybody dies...nobody gets out of it, but some of us can see beyond the veil of physicalities.
No, don't get to "see" beyond the veil of physicalities - you get to imagine.

HUGE difference.
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Atheists aren't here to discuss morals or philosophy. Many theists make the mistake that because religion tries to talk about these subjects, atheism must also.
A disbelief in God does not render atheists exempt from discussions about morals and philosophy since both morality and philosophical beliefs underpin all human societies. Our very laws, ethics and altruistic ideals are loosely centered around the Ten Commmandments.

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What is your issue with the scientific method?
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Most of the time, scientists know what results they want, and that can influence the results they get.
Why would that be an issue even were it true? It wouldn't be a flaw in the scientific method, which is more than just the methodological materialism of the laboratory that leads to scientific papers.

There is also the vetting process, which uses those research papers as its input. It isn't science until it's peer reviewed, reproduced, assimilated by the majority, and over time never overturned. Individual biases are filtered out by this purification process, as are errors and fraud.

Once the scientific community has fully vetted an idea, you can count on it.
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Or, at least, that it is illogical and ludicrous to discuss it.
Capitalism is not able to realize that it is a dying society in the nuclear age. On the other hand religion is not the slightest help for removing capitalism at all!

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