Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

[KittenKoder]

rio wrote:

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This thread is on the United Kingdom forum too.
It's not an Atheist Self-Appreciation Society.
Christian like me?
What kind of moron are you?
I have repeated time and time again that I didn't have religion.
Are you stupid or you just like to play stupid?

You are a liar, and demonstrably one.

[rio]

KittenKoder wrote:

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You are a liar, and demonstrably one.

You repeatedly wrote that I was a liar without even saying about what.

That should be interesting...

[insidesecrets]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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Why not? Christian anti-scientism and its apocalyptic eschatology are in large part responsible. Christianity teaches that science and scientists can't be trusted. Why would people so instructed listen to climate scientists?

Are YOU listening? Is our government?

It aint necessarily so wrote:

<quoted text>This is also a Christian nicety, something I showed you three days ago. Note his job title. He was entrusted to protect America's natural resources :
“We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand”- James Watt, Secretary of the Interior under Reagan

If all it takes is one quote to condemn the whole of Christianity in your world then you should not have no problem with one quote indicting science.

"For 200 years we've been conquering Nature. Now we're beating it to death." - Tom McMillan

[Darwins Stepchild]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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Groucho?
http://snipurl.com/26as5yh [image]

Greetings, IANS. Been a while.

[albtraum]

insidesecrets wrote:

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Which is the real delusion? The theist does not say he knows with certainty that God exists, he says he believes it. His belief in God therefore does not demand proof since it is based on faith. The atheist, on the other hand, claims to be quite certain that there is no god. Since he claims to be contemptuous of unsupported belief, he must provide some firm foundation for his “knowledge." This he can never do. If there are no proofs that God or gods exist, there are also no proofs they do not exist. The atheist is just as unscientific as he claims the theist is. His stance is just as mired in belief as the theist. The atheist needs to realize that atheism is a belief just as firmly planted in irrationality, in ego and desire, as it claims theism is. Atheism has no proof and no possible proof. It is unscientific. Like all human beliefs, it is conjecture based on a hunch.

No, afraid you've got it all backwards....again.

I have no belief in a god, why should I? Thor, Zeus, Mithras, Allah, Jehova....they're all the same.

All xtians I know (can't speak for ALL like you presume to do) insist that they KNOW a god exists, their faith tells them so. They believe that their heart (a muscle) has been touched, they say that their god has answered their prayers (yep, there is always a 50/50 chance that something will happen one way or another) and many swear it's true that they or someone they know has been the recipient of a 'miracle'(if you got sick but didn't die, that's a good thing, but it would have happened anyway).

Now, again, I have no belief in a god....continued lack of evidence supports this.

You, I take it, have no belief in Thor, Zeus, etc., I just lack belief in one more god than you do. Of the tens of thousands of gods/goddesses/spirits/demons/ angels/pixies/all the stuff people make up to feel safe and cling to the notion of some supernatural afterlife have had their time and passed. So will your god.

[albtraum]

insidesecrets wrote:

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"One day [Stalin] and some friends ... lay on the grass in town talking about the injustice of there being rich and poor when he amazed all of them by suddenly saying,'God's not unjust, he doesn't actually exist. We've been deceived. If God existed, he'd had made the world more just.'[His friend exclaimed:]'How can you say such things!'...'I'll lend you a book and you'll see.' He presented [his friend] with a copy of Darwin." - Simon Sebag Montefiore

YAWN (snore-gasm). You would think he would've been glad to have his name taken off of the church's roster. Ach weil, C'est la vie and tally ho;0)

Darwin, lol.....

[albtraum]

rio wrote:

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You are right about that; I don't know enough about American society to understand how atheists are resented there.
But this thread is on the British forum too, and when I speak about atheism and religion, I mean it's worldwide, and not just in the US.
I have never see such discrimination in UK, certainly not. Nor in other European countries.
I take it that the US are socially backwards compared to Europe. Or is it an exageration?

No, it's an exaggeration.

[albtraum]

rio wrote:

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You know what?
I couldn't give a f*ck about what you think.
You sound like a demented troll in transe in most of your posts.
To be honest, I shit one just like you every morning!! LOL

Finally blew your stack, lol.

Thanks Bob!!!!

[Givemeliberty]

She got busted in some lies and lost her fudge. I suppose she will be due for another name change :)

albtraum wrote:

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Finally blew your stack, lol.
Thanks Bob!!!!

[insidesecrets]

albtraum wrote:

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No, afraid you've got it all backwards....again.
I have no belief in a god, why should I? Thor, Zeus, Mithras, Allah, Jehova....they're all the same.
All xtians I know (can't speak for ALL like you presume to do) insist that they KNOW a god exists, their faith tells them so. They believe that their heart (a muscle) has been touched, they say that their god has answered their prayers (yep, there is always a 50/50 chance that something will happen one way or another) and many swear it's true that they or someone they know has been the recipient of a 'miracle'(if you got sick but didn't die, that's a good thing, but it would have happened anyway).
Now, again, I have no belief in a god....continued lack of evidence supports this.
You, I take it, have no belief in Thor, Zeus, etc., I just lack belief in one more god than you do. Of the tens of thousands of gods/goddesses/spirits/demons/ angels/pixies/all the stuff people make up to feel safe and cling to the notion of some supernatural afterlife have had their time and passed. So will your god.

Funny thing about beliefs, they tend to become part of one's experience, but not automatically part of the experience of others. As long as people believe in gods, there will be gods.

[Givemeliberty]

There will be the delusion of gods you mean.

insidesecrets wrote:

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Funny thing about beliefs, they tend to become part of one's experience, but not automatically part of the experience of others. As long as people believe in gods, there will be gods.

[It aint necessarily so]

rio wrote:

If you have that problem in the States, move to Western Europe where atheists are widely accepted. Countries like France, Germany, the Netherlands, even Britain, which are far more tolerant and are full of atheists.

Thanks for the tip.

[It aint necessarily so]

rio wrote:

I take it that the US are socially backwards compared to Europe. Or is it an exageration?

I don't know how to answer that. Perhaps. Regarding religion, yes. And sex.

[It aint necessarily so]

rio wrote:

Well, that is definitally uncool, prejudiced and bigoted. It's almost beyond belief (no pun intended) to hear that in the 21st century in a modern country. I can tell you that an European leader making such statement would be committing political suicide. We are very PC here, and discrimination on religious ground would not be supported by the public at large. I agree with you.

Thank you. That was mighty congenial of you. Religion is definitely a problem in America. And once it has shrunken to European proportions and its influence been removed from the general culture, I probably won't think about it again.

[It aint necessarily so]

rio wrote:

Well, unlike many here, you are the first atheist on this thread who really pitch his tent and explain exactly where he comes from. I salute that!

Thank you again.

[It aint necessarily so]

rio wrote:

I really didn't know it was that bad over there. We don't have that problem here, and in fact religious subjects are rarely mentioned in public. You could live near to someone or work with him for years without knowing his religion or lack of. Unless that person wants to display or or try some proselytism on you.
We have plenty of politicians who say they are atheist and that's OK. Why not? Come over here and smell the coffee, as you say ...

Thank you. I like Europe very much. But I've already left America, although not because of the American church.

[It aint necessarily so]

insidesecrets wrote:

Like all atheists, he figured he could do anything as long as there was no God in heaven keeping score.

Like all atheists, huh?

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@ Rio: This is an American Christian, and his is the kind of prejudice and continual hate speech that American atheists have always endured. And it is why so many of us are so pleased to have an opportunity at long last to express our gratitude to people like him.

I would be lying if I didn't admit that part of me wants to give the Christians and their church a taste of what its like to be defined this way by a majority - dangerous, utterly without morals, and of no social value. And as you can see from these threads, I'm not alone. There's a lot of bad blood here.

Smarter Christians will understand what is happening and begin to stand down. But the evangelical drones like this one will amplify their assault as their position becomes more tenuous and they feel more threatened. This won't end until they are too few to hear.

You can have a ringside seat for the show right here on Topix. Watch the ranks of the unbelievers grow and become increasingly more outspoken as they have over the four years that I've been posting here.

I'm glad that I was able to provide you the context necessary to understand it.

[It aint necessarily so]

Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:

I find it helps to have a graphic word-painting, when posting satire.

It's also helpful to depict this religion and its practices in more realistic language. Here's Pat Condell to help us understand the miracle of faith a little better, and to put respect for religion in perspective :

"But religion is more than just a belief. Religion wants to impose a universal morality, which is why is has always attracted the kind of person who thinks other people's private lives are their business. And giving respect to this mentality is exactly what has got us into the mess that we're in. We've given religion ideas above its station, and we've persuaded it that it's something it's not.

"The truth is that faith is nothing more than the deliberate suspension of disbelief. It's an act of will. It's not a state of grace. It's a state of choice, because without evidence, you've got no reason to believe, apart from your willingness to believe. So why is that worthy of respect, any more than your willingness to poke yourself in the eye with a pencil?

"And why is faith considered some kind of virtue? Is it because it implies a certain depth of contemplation and insight? I don't think so. Faith, by definition, is unexamined. So in that sense it has to be among the shallowest of experiences. Yet, if it could, it would regulate every action, word and thought of every single person on this planet, because, let's not forget, even an impure thought is a sin.

"Well, I think that belief in God is an impure thought. It pollutes our understanding of reality. It gets in the way, and it brings out the worst in the best of us, so that we're even prepared to stoop so low as to poison the unformed minds of the people we love the most - our children. By the time they're old enough to think for themselves, it's too late. They've been well and truly hypnotized.

"I'm sorry, but there's no nice way to say this. If you fill your child's mind with images of Satan and the horrors of hellfire, you're a sick individual, and you are mentally ill."

[01Justsayin]

"Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply a refusal to deny the obvious."

-Sam Harris

--American Neuroscientist

[It aint necessarily so]

insidesecrets wrote:

indoctrinated in the sciences without the benefit of other points of view. Rather imperialistic, don't you think?

There are no other points of view regarding the subject matter of science.

For example, there is a science called obstetrics. The only other point of view is stork theory. We will continue with the imperialism of not offering children that choice.

Do you doubt or deny that if your bible taught that children came from storks that you would be arguing for stork theory to be taught in the schools, and calling it indoctrination and imperialism if it weren't?