Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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I am not religious
Then you won't mind seeing religion fade away.
rio wrote:
I just cannot see why many atheists want to impose their views on others
We don't. We want the tentacles of that obnoxious church that reach out into polite society severed.
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There is room for everyone, and we should tolerate each others religious beliefs, or lack of, without engaging in hostilities, verbal or else...
Have you seen what the Christian bible says about unbelievers? You can find one in just about any hotel or motel room.

When they stop spreading that hate speech, we can talk about tolerance again.

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I have plenty of example in my families and relatives of the treatment of believers in the hands of the soviet apparatus, of persecution of church goers, of summary executions, etc...
Sorry, but that has nothing to do with secular humanism.
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Many priets were executed
Oh.
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Many church building were demolished, the others converted into barns, schools, cinemas, barracks, etc... or just left in ruins. Church attendance came to nil. Believers met in secret in each others house; some were denounced, and arrested for it. For many, their fate is still unknown. That, I can tell you from family recollection. My grand mother had her hand pierced with a bayonet by a soviet soldier because she didn't want to give him a small religious icon she was keeping.

So, don't tell me about the "innocence" of atheism!
Then let me; Atheism is innocent.

Tell it to Communists. We're humanists.
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Then you won't mind seeing religion fade away.
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We don't. We want the tentacles of that obnoxious church that reach out into polite society severed.
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Have you seen what the Christian bible says about unbelievers? You can find one in just about any hotel or motel room.
When they stop spreading that hate speech, we can talk about tolerance again.
In many parts of the world, religion will fade away, I expect it and I don't mind at all.

I can see the number of follower decreasing in the Church of England and the catholic church in most European countries. That will affect the finances, reduce the funds for the propaganda machine, etc...
In Germany, where people pay taxes to go to church, the attendance is minimal.

In other parts it will survive for quite a long time. One can expect Islam to grow in strength in Africa and Asia, even Russia and Europe.
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You have no basis from which to speak to an American about religion in America, which has a much worse case of Christianity that the UK.
Did you grow up in a closet because your beliefs were deemed outside of the limits of decent society. I did. In my lifetime, American atheists have been called unfit to adopt, coach, teach, serve as jurors or witnesses, hold various elective offices.
Do I resent that? Yep. Do I feel like kicking religion back a little now it's down. Guilty. In the teeth.
You're a Golden Rule kind of guy, right? Then surely you understand that what comes 'round goes 'round.
Well, unlike many here, you are the first atheist on this thread who really pitch his tent and explain exactly where he comes from.

I salute that!

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Khatru wrote:
Perhaps Marx was inspired by the Bible.
Groucho?
http://snipurl.com/26as5yh [image]

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http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
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I think you project too much what happens in the US on the rest of the world.
Maybe. Why do you say so?
rio wrote:
Atheists and gays persecuted in America? Tell me more because that's news to me
That's a long subject. Here's a little on atheophobia

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
rio wrote:
you seem to be the avant-guard of the gay movement as witness your gay parades, etc...
You seem to be out of touch.
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what "church" are you talking abou?
The Christian church
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I cannot figure out who is behind that persecution you mentioned. Catholic? Evangelist? Protestant? Pentacostal? etc....
Yes.
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if you mean the Pope by the Holy Pigeon
Spiritus Sancti
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I really didn't know it was that bad over there.

We don't have that problem here, and in fact religious subjects are rarely mentioned in public. You could live near to someone or work with him for years without knowing his religion or lack of. Unless that person wants to display or or try some proselytism on you.
We have plenty of politicians who say they are atheist and that's OK. Why not?

Come over here and smell the coffee, as you say ...

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Didn't look like it ...
You may want to check out what the Bible has to say about Ananias and Sapphira:

Like I said, the principle of killing those who don't conform to the collectivisation of goods/property was a biblical one. This was nearly two thousand years before the advent of Marx and Engels.

Ananias and Sapphira were killed for failing to comply with the collective.

How very communist.
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Really?
"before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me"
Isaiah 43:10
In other words, there was nothing before your god because that's exactly what the Bible tells us was there before him.
By your own definition, your religion is a philosophy of absurdity.
Taking things out of context is an old atheist trick.

"Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."

This means that the Lord is the only God...none before Him or after.
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Stalin's moral upbringing was the work of his church, which had him into his young adulthood. If humanists had had him first, he would likely have been a better man.
Until he met Darwin, that is. Like all atheists, he figured he could do anything as long as there was no God in heaven keeping score.

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Taking things out of context is an old atheist trick.
"Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."
This means that the Lord is the only God...none before Him or after.
So why does your god talk about a time before him when there was no god?

Not just that, but he also says that after his time there will be no god.

I guess your god isn't eternal after all.

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That's right, I do not live in the USA, thanks god for that !(pun intended to annoy you!!)
What on hearts the "hategodbots" have forced on you in America?
So, for you tolerating someone is agreeing with him? To me it's just being plainly civilised.
Wow, I am so glad to live in a tolerant country!
Anti-religion fanatics soiund just as bad as religiuous fanatics.
Smell the coffee and get a life!!!
You continue to sound like a lying god-botherer.

Nothing you have said so far, indicates you are anything but a hateful god-pusher.

Your condescending and patronizing tone to me, only makes it worse.

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Another little question, was Stalin advancing the cause of atheism or was he advancing the cause of Stalin?
And Stalin was a member of the Russian Orthodox Church to the day he died.....ahhhhhh, now just what was your point?
Indeed.

The religion of Stalin was... Stalin.

A classic cult of personality, in this case, one who was quite paranoid and not a little delusional too.

Interesting: many of your more prominent religious leaders share those same traits...

... how about that?

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Yup. One of those cults that displays no traits of a cult.
1. the leader is charismatic and often militaristically demanding
Nope. No leader.
2. the leader is always right
Nope. No leader.
3. elitism, the leaders treated as royalty or a sense of awe, hierarchical, authoritarian power structure
Nope. No leader.
4. lower members get no respect, or get abused
Nope. No hierarchy.
5. leader is not held accountable for his actions or the actions of his authority structure
Nope. No leader.
6. leader will not tolerate or receive criticism, but leader criticizes all others
Nope. No leader.
7. there is no exit
Nope. There isn't even a collection of members, much less any enforcement of membership.
8. if members exit they are considered rebellious, out of the will of a higher power or the leader
Nope. No one cares if people leave atheism and no leader.
9. members do not have any association with members that have left the group
Nope. No shunning.
10. there are no graduates from the “program” or group, just deserters or evil people
Nope. None viewed that way.
11. there is cult speak (a language many others can not understand)
Nope. No special language.
12. personal attacks on critics or those who are not in the group
Nope. Arguments made based on issues at hand.
13. solidarity within themselves, no outside allegiance or association
Nope. No solidarity.
14. use of guilt to manipulate members
Nope.
15. the leaders of group are self absorbed
Nope. No leaders.
16. instant community
Nope. Very little community at all.
17. members unable to tell the truth
Nope.
18. money grubbing
Nope. No money involved at all.
19. newcomers don’t “think right” and need to be trained
Nope. No training.
20. system of punishment and reward
Nope. No punishments or rewards.
21. intrusiveness
Nope. No intrusion whatsoever.
22. sense of powerless, dependency, covert fear, guilt
Nope.
23. members and leaders are imbalanced or mentally ill
Nope.
24. thought stopping language, clichés, or slogans
Nope.
25. demands of ultra loyalty or ultra trust in the groups process and others
Nope.
Well done! Exactly on-point.

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Don't do those things myself, but even if I did at least I would KNOW I was pretending. It's called entertainment.
You, for instance, would think it was a REAL world, lol.
Exactly.

Godbots have strong trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality.

If they could? They wouldn't BE godbots... now would they?

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Might makes right, eh?
Do you ever read your drivel before you post it?
We should keep religion because people like ceremonies???? You assume there has to be a religious connotation to every celebration?
You are a dolt.
I've got his number: he's a godbot, pretending.

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1. Enabler and most likely participant.
2. Falsehoods are NEVER harmless.
Yep.
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rio posted he married a muslim. Taqiyya runs strong through all that rio posts.
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You continue to sound like a lying god-botherer.
Nothing you have said so far, indicates you are anything but a hateful god-pusher.
Your condescending and patronizing tone to me, only makes it worse.

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If, if, if. Your fear of Christians gives them more power than they actually have!
...you do not actually watch the real-world news, do you?

Sad.
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Science rules the academic world with an iron fist.
They HAVE to-- idiots and morons (such as yourself) would quickly dilute real science with pseudo-babble such as creationism and religion.

History taught this lesson too well. In the past? You morons were so afraid of science, that you routinely murdered any and all scientists.

Galileo? Do you remember his murder, at the hands of you anti-science morons?
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It is insane to fret about the possibility of creationism being taught in elementary schools.
In elementary schools is where the brainwashing begins.

And that turns out mindless god-robots, like YOU, who deny actual reality itself, to cling to your idiotic notions.

So, no-- elementary school is MORE off-limits than any other venue. It MUST be.

You are a perfect example of why.
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Until creationism actually invades science departments at the collegiate level, it is simply irrational and unnecessary to berate Christians for what has not happened. Instead of reacting to what if's, try reacting to what is.
It IS happening, nationwide. And you moronic fools keep getting bigoted laws passed in the name of your cult (Genuine Christianity™).

So we rationalists MUST oppose you at every turn, in the public sphere.

You are free to abuse yourselves in private all you like-- it IS a free country after all.

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British churches are non-profit organisations which are exempt of taxes in Britain. Same as charities, etc...
There you go: they are TAX SUPPORTED cults.

Just like in the USA.

Your taxes SUPPORT them, by them being exempt.

There is more than one way to pay the drug-dealer--in this case, the drug is delusions(faith).

And you continue to prove you are just another lying godbot.

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