Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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I know your preacher told you to say that.

Oh and your own quote to punish them for tsarism or wanting to return Russia to a monarchy. The Russian Orthodox Church never closed during the USSR days in fact the soviets renovated their church's for them. Stalin especially had an affinity for fixing them up making them glorious as he said. To this day the Russian Orthodox Church praises Stalin as a saint and a hero.
Still waiting for the totalitarian who said we kill in the name of atheism. And waiting.... And waiting... And waiting... And zzzZZZZZZZzzzz waiting.
But never let facts get in the way eh?
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My preacher, eh? What a jerk you are!

You probably don't know anything about the USSR and Russia under Stalin and communism; I do. My family comes from Russia.

So I wont let a moron like you pretend it didn't happen when it did! I have plenty of example in my families and relatives of the treatment of believers in the hands of the soviet apparatus, of persecution of church goers, of summary executions, etc...

The Russian Orthodox Church was in fact closed, its patriarch put in jail. Many priets were executed, many followers deportes, etc...
Many church building were demolished, the others converted into barns, schools, cinemas, barracks, etc... or just left in ruins.
Church attendance came to nil. Believers met in secret in each others house; some were denounced, and arrested for it. For many, their fate is still unknown.
That, I can tell you from family recollection. My grand mother had her hand pierced with a bayonet by a soviet soldier because she didn't want to give him a small religious icon she was keeping.
So, don't tell me about the "innocence" of atheism!

Yes, some church were kept, but with no service allowed inside; those were mostly the Russian icons near Red Square and so on; they were empty.

Stalin relaxed his persecution after 1941 and the German invasion: he needed to galvanised the masses, and the Church was an instrument for that. Stalin chose the priests, nominated the Patriarch, etc... and everything done and said was under his control. That's what an atheist state is.

So don't you feel f*cking smugg about it! I have very good reason to criticise an atheist take-over: we have seen where it leads to...

Atheism is like arsenic: in very small dose, it can be beneficial, but in large dose, it kills you!

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There is an old saying, "Leave the atheist who loves his error to live his error."
If only. Is that why this thread is mainly visited by believers? One can easily transpose your old saying by replacing "atheist" with "believer." Aye wot!

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I see. When atheists are involved, it's just a moral failure, not an "utter" moral failure. How convenient.
I guess I misspelled "udder." My bad.
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The belief in gods and an afterlife is a common fact of human nature demonstrated across different cultures for centuries.
So was the belief in a flat earth. And dragons.
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You atheists must demonstrate how denying your human nature has value.
The I guess we're doing a pretty good job, judging by way the Christian church is hemorrhaging numbers and clout.
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No. I was demonstrating how atheism has its own history of brutality, violence and genocide.
Atheism has no history of brutality. Stalinism, perhaps, but not atheism. I've told you - Stalinism, Christianity, Maoism, and Islam are the same thing, the only difference being whether the cruel, angry, dictatorial god is human or supernatural.
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Ah but in attacking atheists you are just as guilty as you claim them to be.
You are a believer don't try to deny it. Now believers come to the atheism forum and troll atheists and you think they shouldn't get treated as trolls? If i walked into a church and started loudly yelling that Jesus was a jewish zombie and most likely never existed what do you think would happen? would the congregation smile and shake my hand? Hell it would be a miracle if I got out of there with my head attached and rightfully so. but it seems your lot wants to do just that and expect not to be called out. Sorry but you can't have it both ways.
I know Christianity has made you think your beliefs are superior which is why your lot does this and expects special treatment. Oh and don't waste your time saying you are not a Christian, we honestly have seen your lot pull the I'm an agnostic card one second and returning to your apologetic website arguments the next, nobody is falling for it.
Education is moving our species into an age of reason and your deeply held religious beliefs do not mix well with reason hence your anger, your desperate need for thing to stay the same, your fuel to attack progressives. So education is your enemy. As your hero Eric Hovind once stated, and then probably wishes he could take back.... The creation story has to be true because if God didn't create everything then there is no reason for him to exist no reason for anyone to be a believer. This is why creation science must be implemented in schools children must be made to see that god is the creator or belief will one day vanish.
Well said Eric well said indeed :)
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This is NOT an atheism forum!
This is Topix, and the thread is about "Atheism to defeat religion by 2038".

So, you are not the only one who can express an opinion here. Maybe you would like this thread to become an Atheist self-appreciation Society, but it ain't happening!

So you can stop the accusation of trolling right there sunshine and climb down from your soapbox.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to start by hearing others first, and not go on a diatribe accusing others of repeating their preacher or attributing them a religion they don't belong to, bla, bla, bla ...

I am not religious, and I certainly have nothing to do with christianity, or even abrahamic religions, in terms of beliefs. But I am a westerner, and therefore I live in a Christain country, with christian culture, etc...

My opinion is that religions have still far too many followers to be overtaken by atheism by 2038. The reason is that for many people (not in the West) religion is too important to their identity to be abandoned within that short period of time. Religious beliefs are mostly attacked from within in christianity, less in judaism and hardly in islam. As for other religions, they don't seem to have that problem.

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Regimes based on atheist doctrine (USSR, China, Cambodia, North Korea, etc...) have killed an enormous number of people during the 20th century
There is no atheist doctrine apart from skepticism. You say there's a god, and I say that I don't believe you. That's the whole of atheism. No doctrine. No ism. No worship. No cult. No faith. No magic. No superstition. No ritual. No mythology. Just a requirement for evidence.

There are no genocides committed over that. For that, you need something like a bible.
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But do you know what atheists say? well, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Ill jung were religionist during their youth !!
Not I. I say that they were religionists until the day of their deaths. They just made themselves the gods instead of using a fictional proxy god.

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Consider the enormous amount of evidence there is to support the notion that there really were witches in Salem:

The governor of Massachusetts (William Phips) was involved. A court was established with the prosecution, defence and judge; all respected pillars of the local communities.

Thorough investigations were carried out and witness were cross-examined. A lot of evidence was gathered and many people confessed. All these proceedings were documented with hundreds of sworn affidavits, interviews and other court documents.

In other words a scale of evidence and testimonies far in excess of anything there is for Jesus.

The Salem Witch Trials were fairly recent and we have the original documents, not copies of copies of copies, made centuries later. We have the sworn and signed eye-witness testimonies from the very people who observed the magical events taking place.

There are even volumes written by witnesses to the trial. The evidence is plentiful.

If you look at what happened in 17th century Salem the same way that you look at what happened in 2000-year old Jerusalem, how can those people not have been witches?
Good post!

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I was demonstrating how atheism has its own history of brutality, violence and genocide.
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I have already mentioned that ... Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Ill jung
You all do.

In fact, it's IANS Fifth Law (Godbot’s law) of Internet fundies - named in honor of Godwin. From http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/TMVMHAPR8... :

[1] IANS First Law: You cannot successfully refute atheism without producing a god

[2] IANS Second Law: Regardless of what they may say to the contrary, all theists posting on atheist threads are there to proselytize to atheists.

[3] IANS Third Law: Christians will dissemble without compunction while proselytizing.

[4] IANS Fourth Law: Anybody calling himself an atheist, agnostic or deist who is arguing with the bulk of atheists around him is a stealth theist until proven otherwise.

[5] IANS Fifth Law (Godbot’s law): As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a theist citing Stalin, Mao, and/or Pol Pot approaches one."

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You atheists are a hypocritical lot. You claim that fantasies about superhuman beings are a waste of time. You will thumb your noses at Jesus as superstition, and then log onto World of Warcraft so you can pretend to be an orc for hours.
You're decompensating rapidly. This is the second stage. The first is pseudointellectual crap, maybe about philosophical arguments about first causes or archeological findings.

Then comes this stuff - material such as "you can't prove there's no god," "you are rebellious," and "everybody else believes in a god except a few percent of you, so I must be correct."

The last stage is generally the full meltdown - "you'll be sorry", "every knee will bend," and "you atheists are going to hell," often with a touching addendum that you will be watching and enjoying it from heaven.

We don't want your religion. We've already rejected it.

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Atheism is at the core of marxism, I can tell you.
Marxism-Leninism had the suppression of religion as one of its fundamental task in its programme, and its replacement by the ideal of communism.
So, we just have to look at the fail attempt at socialist utopia in USSR and other places, to have a good idea of what society would be with atheists in power: it's not pretty!
Atheists can be just as intolerant as religionists, and an atheist country has nothing to envy from a theist state.
The communist ideal of giving everything to the collective appears in the Bible, and that was many centuries before Marx and Engels.

The Bible also shows how defying the collective has fatal consequences.

Perhaps Marx was inspired by the Bible.

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Correct, all it requires is surrendering your unsupported mythic beliefs, it isn't a defeat, it's a victory.
Nice new avatar. What's that under the eye? Eye shadow?

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There are no genocides committed over that. For that, you need something like a bible.
Absolutely!

The Bible provides us with many examples of instructions to kill. Yet Christians interpret this as the transcendent love of their god.

Contrast that with the writings and manifestos of secular humanism, where you certainly won't find instructions to kill.

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There is an old saying, "Leave the atheist who loves his error to live his error."
I Googled your "old saying" and got one hit: this thread.
http://snipurl.com/26aqmk9

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Atheism is a cult. It hasn't taken hold however because it requires a belief in the irrational. Any philosophy based on the idea that something comes from nothing is a philosphy of absurdity.
More of stage two.

Hellfire can't be far off.

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Good post!
Thanks

When it comes to standards of evidence for magic, we non-believers set the bar at a high level.

When that magic is as described in the Bile, Quran, Gita, etc; believers will drop the bar to an exceedingly low level while we non-believers maintain the bar at the same high level.

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Whoops!

Spot the Freudian Typo

I accidentally skipped the second "b" in Bible.
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Perhaps Marx was inspired by the Bible.
Didn't look like it ...

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I could not possibly care less, if you want to attach dead chicken-feet to a baby's rattle and dance on the graves of your dead in your underwear. If that is what it takes to make your pathetic life have a semblance of meaning? Have at it.
I'm still laughing.

The Christians want respect. They also want us to respect the chicken talon - to obey it and to hate what it hates. I don't see any of that happening happening.

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I am not religious and I don't believe in religion, but I tolerate most as harmless expressions of some people's spirituality.
The church is hardly that. It's been a devastating institution. In America, it defines who to hate (atheists and gays) and who to disbelieve (scientists, including climate scientists). Both are quite harmful.
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You, atheist activists, don't seem to be a happy lot: just an observation...
Thanks for your concern.

So you're not into religion, huh? Then you should have no objection to blaspheming the Holy Pigeon.
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I am very sympathetic to people wanting to keep their traditions
Christianity is an infantilizing "tradition." We all suffer for having too many Christians per capita.

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Since the atheist does not believe that God exists then he cannot lay our modern nightmare (climate change) at the feet of the Abrahamic religions.
Why not? Christian anti-scientism and its apocalyptic eschatology are in large part responsible. Christianity teaches that science and scientists can't be trusted. Why would people so instructed listen to climate scientists?

This is also a Christian nicety, something I showed you three days ago. Note his job title. He was entrusted to protect America's natural resources :

“We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand”- James Watt, Secretary of the Interior under Reagan

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I just cannot believe the intolerent fanaticism of these atheist activists.
I'll tell you what: We promise not to stone you, impale you in the iron maiden, lacerate your recti with the anal pear, or burn you at the stake. That already makes us more tolerant than the religites, doesn't it?
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What do they fear now?
Nothing. We're celebrating.

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