Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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rio

UK

#11971 Feb 3, 2013
Henry wrote:
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As far as I concerned, religions is not "harmless" at all. Religions are always interfering with the states. The Vatican is not harmless at all. The popes are taking parties all the time, so do other religions.
Why should religions and religious leaders be prevented from taking part in any debate affecting society? It's when they try to impose their dogma that it's bad, but not when they give their opinion; after all they are supposed to guide their followers.

I don't think that Popes have been able to impose anything since the 19th century. But obviously they have some influence in countries where there is a strong catholic presnce.

But I do agree that theist states like Iran of Saudi Arabia are not the way to go, mostly because they don't allow for freedom of expression.

Popes have been unable to stop divorce, contraception, abortion happening in catholic countries, and I think they will not prevent gay marriage either, but they will have their say.
rio

UK

#11972 Feb 3, 2013
Henry wrote:
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Religions are antiquated!
So are any traditions...

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#11973 Feb 3, 2013
rio wrote:
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It always amuses me when atheist deny that Stalin was an atheist. They will tell you he was an Orthodox, bla, bla, bla....
Stalin is the perfect example of what atheists can do when they reach power: they persecute believers and try to crush all religions to create an utopian atheist society.
The perfect atheist state would be George Orwell "1984" !
We have seen what atheists can do when they get in power; just look at the sorry story of the USSR, China under Mao, Cambodia with Pol Pot, North Korea with Kim Il Jung, etc...
No, you are arguing a straw man.

What we take exception to is the argument that atheism caused Stalin or anyone else to commit atrocities. No one has ever shown a necessary link between the vile acts of an individual and atheism as the driving factor. Note that The same cannot be said for theism.

Communism (and socialism) are sociopolitical philosophies based in economic arguments and have nothing to do with atheism. In fact communal socialism has its roots in the book of Acts.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#11974 Feb 3, 2013
Wow how much more childish can you get justfailing?

You see half wit changing your screen name doesn't change your stupidity.
01Justsayin wrote:
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How do YOU justify hypocrisy?

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#11975 Feb 3, 2013
Witch burning has been a Christian crime for centuries. Even to this day in some countries so called witches are put to death for angering Jesus.

The crimes of Stalin and Pol Pott and North Korea were in the name of totalitarianism. Not one of any of these examples did anyone say, in the name of atheism you die. Unlike the Salem witch trials, spanish inquisition, Nazi Germany, where indeed they were put to death in the name of Jesus.
insidesecrets wrote:
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You mentioned Salem specifically.
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I see. When atheists are involved, it's just a moral failure, not an "utter" moral failure. How convenient.
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The belief in gods and an afterlife is a common fact of human nature demonstrated across different cultures for centuries. You atheists must demonstrate how denying your human nature has value.
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No. I was demonstrating how atheism has its own history of brutality, violence and genocide.
rio

UK

#11976 Feb 3, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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Communism (and socialism) are sociopolitical philosophies based in economic arguments and have nothing to do with atheism.
Atheism is at the core of marxism, I can tell you.

Marxism-Leninism had the suppression of religion as one of its fundamental task in its programme, and its replacement by the ideal of communism.

So, we just have to look at the fail attempt at socialist utopia in USSR and other places, to have a good idea of what society would be with atheists in power: it's not pretty!

Atheists can be just as intolerant as religionists, and an atheist country has nothing to envy from a theist state.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#11977 Feb 3, 2013
Many out to death during this were atheists themselves.

Care to humiliate yourself more?
insidesecrets wrote:
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So was the evidence in Stalin's "show trials" that resulted in the deaths of thousands and not just fourteen women and five men.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#11978 Feb 3, 2013
You idiots really have to really dig deep and desperately grasp at straws.

Ask your preacher what to say next.
insidesecrets wrote:
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Atheism is a cult of reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason
What they haven't figured out yet is that their elevation above the ignorant masses is not nearly as great as they imagine, since their theories are slender reeds, not marble columns.

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#11979 Feb 3, 2013
Creationist site blather. So you think the earth is 6000 years old I see.
insidesecrets wrote:
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"One day [Stalin] and some friends ... lay on the grass in town talking about the injustice of there being rich and poor when he amazed all of them by suddenly saying,'God's not unjust, he doesn't actually exist. We've been deceived. If God existed, he'd had made the world more just.'[His friend exclaimed:]'How can you say such things!'...'I'll lend you a book and you'll see.' He presented [his friend] with a copy of Darwin." - Simon Sebag Montefiore

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#11980 Feb 3, 2013
So why do you hate non believers so much?
rio wrote:
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Atheism is at the core of marxism, I can tell you.
Marxism-Leninism had the suppression of religion as one of its fundamental task in its programme, and its replacement by the ideal of communism.
So, we just have to look at the fail attempt at socialist utopia in USSR and other places, to have a good idea of what society would be with atheists in power: it's not pretty!
Atheists can be just as intolerant as religionists, and an atheist country has nothing to envy from a theist state.
rio

UK

#11981 Feb 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Witch burning has been a Christian crime for centuries. Even to this day in some countries so called witches are put to death for angering Jesus.
The crimes of Stalin and Pol Pott and North Korea were in the name of totalitarianism. Not one of any of these examples did anyone say, in the name of atheism you die. Unlike the Salem witch trials, spanish inquisition, Nazi Germany, where indeed they were put to death in the name of Jesus.
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Oh yeah, I like your style.

So, crimes committed by Christians are always motivated by their religion, but crimes committed by atheists have nothing to do with their philosophy; then, it's purely political.

Of course, we should have thought about that one ...

How convenient, eh?

Trouble is that the arrest, jailing and deportation of Orthodox priests was decided by Lenin at the first St Petersburg soviet in 1917 "in line with our marxist principles" (sic), and "to uproot the church from Russians' daily life" (sic) and "to punish the church for its support of tsarism" (sic).

Most, if not all, of the Politburo members were atheist and hellbend in imposing an atheist state in Russia. It only got worst with time...

Like they often say "Those who forget the past are condemned to live it again".
We have been there, and we have seen what it is.

I much prefer a country where plenty of different opinions exist, with none of them in charge.
An atheist country is my vision of hell ...
rio

UK

#11982 Feb 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
So why do you hate non believers so much?
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I am not religious, and I don't have a religion. But I tolerate anyone.
I don't hate non-believers, I hate the intolerance displayed by some.

I just cannot see why many atheists want to impose their views on others, and dismiss religionists as crank, deluded, supersticious, etc....

Just like I don't agree with religionists imposing their views on others.

There is room for everyone, and we should tolerate each others religious beliefs, or lack of, without engaging in hostilities, verbal or else...

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#11983 Feb 3, 2013
I know your preacher told you to say that. Anyways what shall we say when Hitler demanded the Jews be wiped out for being Christ killers? Or when the Spanish inquisitors prayed and chanted to Jesus as they tortured and executed people? Or when the Salem witch trials judges condemned the anti Christ demon witches to slow painful deaths? Or when Muslims blow themselves up creaming Allah Akbar? Or when.....

Well let's be honest I could do this all day. Oh and your own quote to punish them for tsarism or wanting to return Russia to a monarchy. The Russian Orthodox Church never closed during the USSR days in fact the soviets renovated their church's for them. Stalin especially had an affinity for fixing them up making them glorious as he said. To this day the Russian Orthodox Church praises Stalin as a saint and a hero.

Still waiting for the totalitarian who said we kill in the name of atheism. And waiting.... And waiting... And waiting... And zzzZZZZZZZzzzz waiting.

But never let facts get in the way eh?
rio wrote:
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Oh yeah, I like your style.
So, crimes committed by Christians are always motivated by their religion, but crimes committed by atheists have nothing to do with their philosophy; then, it's purely political.
Of course, we should have thought about that one ...
How convenient, eh?
Trouble is that the arrest, jailing and deportation of Orthodox priests was decided by Lenin at the first St Petersburg soviet in 1917 "in line with our marxist principles" (sic), and "to uproot the church from Russians' daily life" (sic) and "to punish the church for its support of tsarism" (sic).
Most, if not all, of the Politburo members were atheist and hellbend in imposing an atheist state in Russia. It only got worst with time...
Like they often say "Those who forget the past are condemned to live it again".
We have been there, and we have seen what it is.
I much prefer a country where plenty of different opinions exist, with none of them in charge.
An atheist country is my vision of hell ...

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#11984 Feb 3, 2013
Ah but in attacking atheists you are just as guilty as you claim them to be.

You are a believer don't try to deny it. Now believers come to the atheism forum and troll atheists and you think they shouldn't get treated as trolls? If i walked into a church and started loudly yelling that Jesus was a jewish zombie and most likely never existed what do you think would happen? would the congregation smile and shake my hand? Hell it would be a miracle if I got out of there with my head attached and rightfully so. but it seems your lot wants to do just that and expect not to be called out. Sorry but you can't have it both ways.

I know Christianity has made you think your beliefs are superior which is why your lot does this and expects special treatment. Oh and don't waste your time saying you are not a Christian, we honestly have seen your lot pull the I'm an agnostic card one second and returning to your apologetic website arguments the next, nobody is falling for it.

Education is moving our species into an age of reason and your deeply held religious beliefs do not mix well with reason hence your anger, your desperate need for thing to stay the same, your fuel to attack progressives. So education is your enemy. As your hero Eric Hovind once stated, and then probably wishes he could take back.... The creation story has to be true because if God didn't create everything then there is no reason for him to exist no reason for anyone to be a believer. This is why creation science must be implemented in schools children must be made to see that god is the creator or belief will one day vanish.

Well said Eric well said indeed :)
rio wrote:
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I am not religious, and I don't have a religion. But I tolerate anyone.
I don't hate non-believers, I hate the intolerance displayed by some.
I just cannot see why many atheists want to impose their views on others, and dismiss religionists as crank, deluded, supersticious, etc....
Just like I don't agree with religionists imposing their views on others.
There is room for everyone, and we should tolerate each others religious beliefs, or lack of, without engaging in hostilities, verbal or else...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11985 Feb 3, 2013
rio wrote:
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I do not wish to make an argument, I just mention my observations.
Atheists, mostly fanatics like yourself, seek nothing less than destroying religions. Fine, but they don't bring anything to fill the vacuum created. That's why many people cling to a religion or another, even if they aren't totally convinced about it.
People may believe in deity or not, but most still claim to have a religion. Repudiating a religion would be for many like jumping off a cliff; there is no return.
Beside, as a confessed "agnostic" christian told me, atheism don't provide such nice religious services at the important moments in your life. He was being candid and honest about it!
No, healing a delusion does not produce a vacuum because the delusion itself is a vacuum.
rio

UK

#11986 Feb 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
I know your preacher told you to say that.

Oh and your own quote to punish them for tsarism or wanting to return Russia to a monarchy. The Russian Orthodox Church never closed during the USSR days in fact the soviets renovated their church's for them. Stalin especially had an affinity for fixing them up making them glorious as he said. To this day the Russian Orthodox Church praises Stalin as a saint and a hero.
Still waiting for the totalitarian who said we kill in the name of atheism. And waiting.... And waiting... And waiting... And zzzZZZZZZZzzzz waiting.
But never let facts get in the way eh?
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My preacher, eh? What a jerk you are!

You probably don't know anything about the USSR and Russia under Stalin and communism; I do. My family comes from Russia.

So I wont let a moron like you pretend it didn't happen when it did! I have plenty of example in my families and relatives of the treatment of believers in the hands of the soviet apparatus, of persecution of church goers, of summary executions, etc...

The Russian Orthodox Church was in fact closed, its patriarch put in jail. Many priets were executed, many followers deportes, etc...
Many church building were demolished, the others converted into barns, schools, cinemas, barracks, etc... or just left in ruins.
Church attendance came to nil. Believers met in secret in each others house; some were denounced, and arrested for it. For many, their fate is still unknown.
That, I can tell you from family recollection. My grand mother had her hand pierced with a bayonet by a soviet soldier because she didn't want to give him a small religious icon she was keeping.
So, don't tell me about the "innocence" of atheism!

Yes, some church were kept, but with no service allowed inside; those were mostly the Russian icons near Red Square and so on; they were empty.

Stalin relaxed his persecution after 1941 and the German invasion: he needed to galvanised the masses, and the Church was an instrument for that. Stalin chose the priests, nominated the Patriarch, etc... and everything done and said was under his control. That's what an atheist state is.

So don't you feel f*cking smugg about it! I have very good reason to criticise an atheist take-over: we have seen where it leads to...

Atheism is like arsenic: in very small dose, it can be beneficial, but in large dose, it kills you!

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#11987 Feb 3, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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There is an old saying, "Leave the atheist who loves his error to live his error."
If only. Is that why this thread is mainly visited by believers? One can easily transpose your old saying by replacing "atheist" with "believer." Aye wot!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11988 Feb 3, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
I see. When atheists are involved, it's just a moral failure, not an "utter" moral failure. How convenient.
I guess I misspelled "udder." My bad.
insidesecrets wrote:
The belief in gods and an afterlife is a common fact of human nature demonstrated across different cultures for centuries.
So was the belief in a flat earth. And dragons.
insidesecrets wrote:
You atheists must demonstrate how denying your human nature has value.
The I guess we're doing a pretty good job, judging by way the Christian church is hemorrhaging numbers and clout.
insidesecrets wrote:
No. I was demonstrating how atheism has its own history of brutality, violence and genocide.
Atheism has no history of brutality. Stalinism, perhaps, but not atheism. I've told you - Stalinism, Christianity, Maoism, and Islam are the same thing, the only difference being whether the cruel, angry, dictatorial god is human or supernatural.
rio

UK

#11989 Feb 3, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Ah but in attacking atheists you are just as guilty as you claim them to be.
You are a believer don't try to deny it. Now believers come to the atheism forum and troll atheists and you think they shouldn't get treated as trolls? If i walked into a church and started loudly yelling that Jesus was a jewish zombie and most likely never existed what do you think would happen? would the congregation smile and shake my hand? Hell it would be a miracle if I got out of there with my head attached and rightfully so. but it seems your lot wants to do just that and expect not to be called out. Sorry but you can't have it both ways.
I know Christianity has made you think your beliefs are superior which is why your lot does this and expects special treatment. Oh and don't waste your time saying you are not a Christian, we honestly have seen your lot pull the I'm an agnostic card one second and returning to your apologetic website arguments the next, nobody is falling for it.
Education is moving our species into an age of reason and your deeply held religious beliefs do not mix well with reason hence your anger, your desperate need for thing to stay the same, your fuel to attack progressives. So education is your enemy. As your hero Eric Hovind once stated, and then probably wishes he could take back.... The creation story has to be true because if God didn't create everything then there is no reason for him to exist no reason for anyone to be a believer. This is why creation science must be implemented in schools children must be made to see that god is the creator or belief will one day vanish.
Well said Eric well said indeed :)
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This is NOT an atheism forum!
This is Topix, and the thread is about "Atheism to defeat religion by 2038".

So, you are not the only one who can express an opinion here. Maybe you would like this thread to become an Atheist self-appreciation Society, but it ain't happening!

So you can stop the accusation of trolling right there sunshine and climb down from your soapbox.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to start by hearing others first, and not go on a diatribe accusing others of repeating their preacher or attributing them a religion they don't belong to, bla, bla, bla ...

I am not religious, and I certainly have nothing to do with christianity, or even abrahamic religions, in terms of beliefs. But I am a westerner, and therefore I live in a Christain country, with christian culture, etc...

My opinion is that religions have still far too many followers to be overtaken by atheism by 2038. The reason is that for many people (not in the West) religion is too important to their identity to be abandoned within that short period of time. Religious beliefs are mostly attacked from within in christianity, less in judaism and hardly in islam. As for other religions, they don't seem to have that problem.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11990 Feb 3, 2013
rio wrote:
Regimes based on atheist doctrine (USSR, China, Cambodia, North Korea, etc...) have killed an enormous number of people during the 20th century
There is no atheist doctrine apart from skepticism. You say there's a god, and I say that I don't believe you. That's the whole of atheism. No doctrine. No ism. No worship. No cult. No faith. No magic. No superstition. No ritual. No mythology. Just a requirement for evidence.

There are no genocides committed over that. For that, you need something like a bible.
rio wrote:
But do you know what atheists say? well, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Ill jung were religionist during their youth !!
Not I. I say that they were religionists until the day of their deaths. They just made themselves the gods instead of using a fictional proxy god.

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