Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Religion is divisive and a source of sectarianism and conflict..
Just like if religion was the cause of all the problems, and atheism the solution to everything. Very simplistic indeed.

Sources of conflicts are mostly social, economic, geographical, politic, etc.... Very rarely religious these days, apart from isolated trouble spots where religion is used as a smokescreen (Northern Ireland, Middle East, Sri Lanka, Kashmir, Tibet) for geo-politic ambitions.

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Which is the real delusion? The theist does not say he knows with certainty that God exists, he says he believes it. His belief in God therefore does not demand proof since it is based on faith. The atheist, on the other hand, claims to be quite certain that there is no god. Since he claims to be contemptuous of unsupported belief, he must provide some firm foundation for his “knowledge." This he can never do. If there are no proofs that God or gods exist, there are also no proofs they do not exist. The atheist is just as unscientific as he claims the theist is. His stance is just as mired in belief as the theist. The atheist needs to realize that atheism is a belief just as firmly planted in irrationality, in ego and desire, as it claims theism is. Atheism has no proof and no possible proof. It is unscientific. Like all human beliefs, it is conjecture based on a hunch.
By that twisted logic, everyone should believe literally everything that anyone ever tells them until such time as it is proven false.

For the 1,245,630th time - one does not have to (and, in fact, cannot) prove a negative.

Or, are you in fact saying that you believe that Leprechauns do exist and that they are guarding pots of gold at the end of rainbows? After all, it is has never been proven they don't exist...
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Well, atheism is already the majority view amongst the population of the world in general, even if people go through the motions of religion just to fit in with others of their tribe.
Religions are antiquated!
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I am not religious and I don't believe in religion, but I tolerate most as harmless expressions of some people's spirituality.
You are a very jumpy sort of atheist, who seems to see the enemy everywhere. That's bordering on paranoia.
I hope you check under your bed at night! LOL
For you lot, everyone is lying, deluded and pretending.
You, atheist activists, don't seem to be a happy lot: just an observation...
I am very sympathetic to people wanting to keep their traditions, and I wouldn't dream of eradicating religions, as you atheist fanatics do. Religions don't bother me, and atheists neither, unless they start preaching to me like you try to do!
As far as I concerned, religions is not "harmless" at all. Religions are always interfering with the states. The Vatican is not harmless at all. The popes are taking parties all the time, so do other religions.

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This will never happen. Don't be fooled. Religion is the optimum form of control over sheep minded people, why would the government ever be rid of it?
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As far as I concerned, religions is not "harmless" at all. Religions are always interfering with the states. The Vatican is not harmless at all. The popes are taking parties all the time, so do other religions.
Why should religions and religious leaders be prevented from taking part in any debate affecting society? It's when they try to impose their dogma that it's bad, but not when they give their opinion; after all they are supposed to guide their followers.

I don't think that Popes have been able to impose anything since the 19th century. But obviously they have some influence in countries where there is a strong catholic presnce.

But I do agree that theist states like Iran of Saudi Arabia are not the way to go, mostly because they don't allow for freedom of expression.

Popes have been unable to stop divorce, contraception, abortion happening in catholic countries, and I think they will not prevent gay marriage either, but they will have their say.
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Henry wrote:
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Religions are antiquated!
So are any traditions...

“ecrasez l'infame”

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It always amuses me when atheist deny that Stalin was an atheist. They will tell you he was an Orthodox, bla, bla, bla....
Stalin is the perfect example of what atheists can do when they reach power: they persecute believers and try to crush all religions to create an utopian atheist society.
The perfect atheist state would be George Orwell "1984" !
We have seen what atheists can do when they get in power; just look at the sorry story of the USSR, China under Mao, Cambodia with Pol Pot, North Korea with Kim Il Jung, etc...
No, you are arguing a straw man.

What we take exception to is the argument that atheism caused Stalin or anyone else to commit atrocities. No one has ever shown a necessary link between the vile acts of an individual and atheism as the driving factor. Note that The same cannot be said for theism.

Communism (and socialism) are sociopolitical philosophies based in economic arguments and have nothing to do with atheism. In fact communal socialism has its roots in the book of Acts.

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Wow how much more childish can you get justfailing?

You see half wit changing your screen name doesn't change your stupidity.
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How do YOU justify hypocrisy?

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Witch burning has been a Christian crime for centuries. Even to this day in some countries so called witches are put to death for angering Jesus.

The crimes of Stalin and Pol Pott and North Korea were in the name of totalitarianism. Not one of any of these examples did anyone say, in the name of atheism you die. Unlike the Salem witch trials, spanish inquisition, Nazi Germany, where indeed they were put to death in the name of Jesus.
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You mentioned Salem specifically.
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I see. When atheists are involved, it's just a moral failure, not an "utter" moral failure. How convenient.
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The belief in gods and an afterlife is a common fact of human nature demonstrated across different cultures for centuries. You atheists must demonstrate how denying your human nature has value.
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No. I was demonstrating how atheism has its own history of brutality, violence and genocide.
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Communism (and socialism) are sociopolitical philosophies based in economic arguments and have nothing to do with atheism.
Atheism is at the core of marxism, I can tell you.

Marxism-Leninism had the suppression of religion as one of its fundamental task in its programme, and its replacement by the ideal of communism.

So, we just have to look at the fail attempt at socialist utopia in USSR and other places, to have a good idea of what society would be with atheists in power: it's not pretty!

Atheists can be just as intolerant as religionists, and an atheist country has nothing to envy from a theist state.

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Many out to death during this were atheists themselves.

Care to humiliate yourself more?
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So was the evidence in Stalin's "show trials" that resulted in the deaths of thousands and not just fourteen women and five men.

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You idiots really have to really dig deep and desperately grasp at straws.

Ask your preacher what to say next.
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Atheism is a cult of reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason
What they haven't figured out yet is that their elevation above the ignorant masses is not nearly as great as they imagine, since their theories are slender reeds, not marble columns.

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Creationist site blather. So you think the earth is 6000 years old I see.
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"One day [Stalin] and some friends ... lay on the grass in town talking about the injustice of there being rich and poor when he amazed all of them by suddenly saying,'God's not unjust, he doesn't actually exist. We've been deceived. If God existed, he'd had made the world more just.'[His friend exclaimed:]'How can you say such things!'...'I'll lend you a book and you'll see.' He presented [his friend] with a copy of Darwin." - Simon Sebag Montefiore

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So why do you hate non believers so much?
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Atheism is at the core of marxism, I can tell you.
Marxism-Leninism had the suppression of religion as one of its fundamental task in its programme, and its replacement by the ideal of communism.
So, we just have to look at the fail attempt at socialist utopia in USSR and other places, to have a good idea of what society would be with atheists in power: it's not pretty!
Atheists can be just as intolerant as religionists, and an atheist country has nothing to envy from a theist state.
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Witch burning has been a Christian crime for centuries. Even to this day in some countries so called witches are put to death for angering Jesus.
The crimes of Stalin and Pol Pott and North Korea were in the name of totalitarianism. Not one of any of these examples did anyone say, in the name of atheism you die. Unlike the Salem witch trials, spanish inquisition, Nazi Germany, where indeed they were put to death in the name of Jesus.
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Oh yeah, I like your style.

So, crimes committed by Christians are always motivated by their religion, but crimes committed by atheists have nothing to do with their philosophy; then, it's purely political.

Of course, we should have thought about that one ...

How convenient, eh?

Trouble is that the arrest, jailing and deportation of Orthodox priests was decided by Lenin at the first St Petersburg soviet in 1917 "in line with our marxist principles" (sic), and "to uproot the church from Russians' daily life" (sic) and "to punish the church for its support of tsarism" (sic).

Most, if not all, of the Politburo members were atheist and hellbend in imposing an atheist state in Russia. It only got worst with time...

Like they often say "Those who forget the past are condemned to live it again".
We have been there, and we have seen what it is.

I much prefer a country where plenty of different opinions exist, with none of them in charge.
An atheist country is my vision of hell ...
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So why do you hate non believers so much?
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I am not religious, and I don't have a religion. But I tolerate anyone.
I don't hate non-believers, I hate the intolerance displayed by some.

I just cannot see why many atheists want to impose their views on others, and dismiss religionists as crank, deluded, supersticious, etc....

Just like I don't agree with religionists imposing their views on others.

There is room for everyone, and we should tolerate each others religious beliefs, or lack of, without engaging in hostilities, verbal or else...

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I know your preacher told you to say that. Anyways what shall we say when Hitler demanded the Jews be wiped out for being Christ killers? Or when the Spanish inquisitors prayed and chanted to Jesus as they tortured and executed people? Or when the Salem witch trials judges condemned the anti Christ demon witches to slow painful deaths? Or when Muslims blow themselves up creaming Allah Akbar? Or when.....

Well let's be honest I could do this all day. Oh and your own quote to punish them for tsarism or wanting to return Russia to a monarchy. The Russian Orthodox Church never closed during the USSR days in fact the soviets renovated their church's for them. Stalin especially had an affinity for fixing them up making them glorious as he said. To this day the Russian Orthodox Church praises Stalin as a saint and a hero.

Still waiting for the totalitarian who said we kill in the name of atheism. And waiting.... And waiting... And waiting... And zzzZZZZZZZzzzz waiting.

But never let facts get in the way eh?
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Oh yeah, I like your style.
So, crimes committed by Christians are always motivated by their religion, but crimes committed by atheists have nothing to do with their philosophy; then, it's purely political.
Of course, we should have thought about that one ...
How convenient, eh?
Trouble is that the arrest, jailing and deportation of Orthodox priests was decided by Lenin at the first St Petersburg soviet in 1917 "in line with our marxist principles" (sic), and "to uproot the church from Russians' daily life" (sic) and "to punish the church for its support of tsarism" (sic).
Most, if not all, of the Politburo members were atheist and hellbend in imposing an atheist state in Russia. It only got worst with time...
Like they often say "Those who forget the past are condemned to live it again".
We have been there, and we have seen what it is.
I much prefer a country where plenty of different opinions exist, with none of them in charge.
An atheist country is my vision of hell ...

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Ah but in attacking atheists you are just as guilty as you claim them to be.

You are a believer don't try to deny it. Now believers come to the atheism forum and troll atheists and you think they shouldn't get treated as trolls? If i walked into a church and started loudly yelling that Jesus was a jewish zombie and most likely never existed what do you think would happen? would the congregation smile and shake my hand? Hell it would be a miracle if I got out of there with my head attached and rightfully so. but it seems your lot wants to do just that and expect not to be called out. Sorry but you can't have it both ways.

I know Christianity has made you think your beliefs are superior which is why your lot does this and expects special treatment. Oh and don't waste your time saying you are not a Christian, we honestly have seen your lot pull the I'm an agnostic card one second and returning to your apologetic website arguments the next, nobody is falling for it.

Education is moving our species into an age of reason and your deeply held religious beliefs do not mix well with reason hence your anger, your desperate need for thing to stay the same, your fuel to attack progressives. So education is your enemy. As your hero Eric Hovind once stated, and then probably wishes he could take back.... The creation story has to be true because if God didn't create everything then there is no reason for him to exist no reason for anyone to be a believer. This is why creation science must be implemented in schools children must be made to see that god is the creator or belief will one day vanish.

Well said Eric well said indeed :)
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I am not religious, and I don't have a religion. But I tolerate anyone.
I don't hate non-believers, I hate the intolerance displayed by some.
I just cannot see why many atheists want to impose their views on others, and dismiss religionists as crank, deluded, supersticious, etc....
Just like I don't agree with religionists imposing their views on others.
There is room for everyone, and we should tolerate each others religious beliefs, or lack of, without engaging in hostilities, verbal or else...

“I Am No One Else”

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I do not wish to make an argument, I just mention my observations.
Atheists, mostly fanatics like yourself, seek nothing less than destroying religions. Fine, but they don't bring anything to fill the vacuum created. That's why many people cling to a religion or another, even if they aren't totally convinced about it.
People may believe in deity or not, but most still claim to have a religion. Repudiating a religion would be for many like jumping off a cliff; there is no return.
Beside, as a confessed "agnostic" christian told me, atheism don't provide such nice religious services at the important moments in your life. He was being candid and honest about it!
No, healing a delusion does not produce a vacuum because the delusion itself is a vacuum.

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