Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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insidesecrets

Santa Fe, NM

#11939 Feb 2, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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No, I'm experienced at godbot persecution.
For example: you god-robots are hell-bent on stripping women's rights in the US.
For example: you hategodbots are always against equal rights for gay folk-- you would strip all rights away, if you could.
For example: you hategodbots are tying to push your evil creationism into public education.
I'd say you hate-filled theists are still very much in charge.
If, if, if. Your fear of Christians gives them more power than they actually have!

Science rules the academic world with an iron fist. It is insane to fret about the possibility of creationism being taught in elementary schools. Until creationism actually invades science departments at the collegiate level, it is simply irrational and unnecessary to berate Christians for what has not happened. Instead of reacting to what if's, try reacting to what is.
insidesecrets

Santa Fe, NM

#11940 Feb 2, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Don't do those things myself, but even if I did at least I would KNOW I was pretending. It's called entertainment.
You, for instance, would think it was a REAL world, lol.
Which is the real delusion? The theist does not say he knows with certainty that God exists, he says he believes it. His belief in God therefore does not demand proof since it is based on faith. The atheist, on the other hand, claims to be quite certain that there is no god. Since he claims to be contemptuous of unsupported belief, he must provide some firm foundation for his “knowledge." This he can never do. If there are no proofs that God or gods exist, there are also no proofs they do not exist. The atheist is just as unscientific as he claims the theist is. His stance is just as mired in belief as the theist. The atheist needs to realize that atheism is a belief just as firmly planted in irrationality, in ego and desire, as it claims theism is. Atheism has no proof and no possible proof. It is unscientific. Like all human beliefs, it is conjecture based on a hunch.
insidesecrets

Santa Fe, NM

#11942 Feb 2, 2013
The_Box wrote:
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Yup. One of those cults that displays no traits of a cult.
1. the leader is charismatic and often militaristically demanding
Nope. No leader.
2. the leader is always right
Nope. No leader.
3. elitism, the leaders treated as royalty or a sense of awe, hierarchical, authoritarian power structure
Nope. No leader.
4. lower members get no respect, or get abused
Nope. No hierarchy.
5. leader is not held accountable for his actions or the actions of his authority structure
Nope. No leader.
6. leader will not tolerate or receive criticism, but leader criticizes all others
Nope. No leader.
7. there is no exit
Nope. There isn't even a collection of members, much less any enforcement of membership.
8. if members exit they are considered rebellious, out of the will of a higher power or the leader
Nope. No one cares if people leave atheism and no leader.
9. members do not have any association with members that have left the group
Nope. No shunning.
10. there are no graduates from the “program” or group, just deserters or evil people
Nope. None viewed that way.
11. there is cult speak (a language many others can not understand)
Nope. No special language.
12. personal attacks on critics or those who are not in the group
Nope. Arguments made based on issues at hand.
13. solidarity within themselves, no outside allegiance or association
Nope. No solidarity.
14. use of guilt to manipulate members
Nope.
15. the leaders of group are self absorbed
Nope. No leaders.
16. instant community
Nope. Very little community at all.
17. members unable to tell the truth
Nope.
18. money grubbing
Nope. No money involved at all.
19. newcomers don’t “think right” and need to be trained
Nope. No training.
20. system of punishment and reward
Nope. No punishments or rewards.
21. intrusiveness
Nope. No intrusion whatsoever.
22. sense of powerless, dependency, covert fear, guilt
Nope.
23. members and leaders are imbalanced or mentally ill
Nope.
24. thought stopping language, clichés, or slogans
Nope.
25. demands of ultra loyalty or ultra trust in the groups process and others
Nope.
Atheism is a cult of reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason

What they haven't figured out yet is that their elevation above the ignorant masses is not nearly as great as they imagine, since their theories are slender reeds, not marble columns.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#11943 Feb 2, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
Any philosophy based on the idea that something comes from nothing is a philosphy of absurdity.
Really?

"before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me"

Isaiah 43:10

In other words, there was nothing before your god because that's exactly what the Bible tells us was there before him.

By your own definition, your religion is a philosophy of absurdity.
insidesecrets

Santa Fe, NM

#11944 Feb 2, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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Another little question, was Stalin advancing the cause of atheism or was he advancing the cause of Stalin?
And Stalin was a member of the Russian Orthodox Church to the day he died.....ahhhhhh, now just what was your point?
"One day [Stalin] and some friends ... lay on the grass in town talking about the injustice of there being rich and poor when he amazed all of them by suddenly saying,'God's not unjust, he doesn't actually exist. We've been deceived. If God existed, he'd had made the world more just.'[His friend exclaimed:]'How can you say such things!'...'I'll lend you a book and you'll see.' He presented [his friend] with a copy of Darwin." - Simon Sebag Montefiore
Henry

Germany

#11945 Feb 2, 2013
British Expat wrote:
Religious monkeys are the root of all evil, that is a FACT!
Sadly for the moment the human monkey is "easily led". But live in hope. Intellegence might yet surpass superstition?
Capitalism needs religions for its propaganda. In the nuclear age this can be the end of humanity!
Henry

Germany

#11946 Feb 2, 2013
rio wrote:
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I think you are barking up the wrong tree here; I am not defending religion, just passing on observations. People like religious ceremonies, and many would not break from these traditions, that it irritates you or not.
I am not talking about myself, but in most families, christening, marrage and burial in church/temple are important events, they will not give up, even if their "faith" faded long time away.
Tax exemption on religious ground (which is what yopu imply) maybe something you have in the States, but for us in Britain, it's a completely alien concept.
Very sorry: but not religion is the main issue in the atomic age, yet the extermination by the human race. The danger in the capitalist era is enorm!

“Is that all you've got?”

Since: Jun 10

Location hidden

#11947 Feb 2, 2013
Henry wrote:
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Capitalism needs religions for its propaganda. In the nuclear age this can be the end of humanity!
Very funny.

I haven't ever noticed religious doctrine included in any television commercials.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#11948 Feb 2, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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"One day [Stalin] and some friends ... lay on the grass in town talking about the injustice of there being rich and poor when he amazed all of them by suddenly saying,'God's not unjust, he doesn't actually exist. We've been deceived. If God existed, he'd had made the world more just.'[His friend exclaimed:]'How can you say such things!'...'I'll lend you a book and you'll see.' He presented [his friend] with a copy of Darwin." - Simon Sebag Montefiore
Your point being...?
insidesecrets

Santa Fe, NM

#11949 Feb 2, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Your point being...?
Stalin was an atheist.
Henry

Mühlhausen, Germany

#11950 Feb 3, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Sure, sure-- you keep on lying like this, if it makes your religious life have some pretend meaning.
If you are not religious? Why are you trying to very hard to defend it, hmmmm?
Pardon me--but I've seen all flavors of "strategy" by religious-types, trying to pretend they aren't "religious".
The very tone of your posts makes it pretty clear, you're highly sympathetic to religion, if not an actual participant.
Which makes you an enabler of religion.
Well the nuclear age is the real issue of the present. So religion is never any more the main problem of humanity. Be or not to be is the real thematic for the survival of mankind. Capitalism ( as all exploiting classes before) misuse religions for its bad purposes

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#11952 Feb 3, 2013
rio wrote:
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I think you are barking up the wrong tree here; I am not defending religion, just passing on observations. People like religious ceremonies, and many would not break from these traditions, that it irritates you or not.
I am not talking about myself, but in most families, christening, marrage and burial in church/temple are important events, they will not give up, even if their "faith" faded long time away.
Tax exemption on religious ground (which is what yopu imply) maybe something you have in the States, but for us in Britain, it's a completely alien concept.
What taxes do British churches have to pay?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#11954 Feb 3, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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Stalin was an atheist.
So?

He also sported a moustache.
Henry

Mühlhausen, Germany

#11955 Feb 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground
You should not utilize fallacies, it destroys your argument without the need to refute it.
Atheism is not an ideology, it's a descriptive about one very specific notion, and nothing more. It cannot "bring" you anything, it cannot "say" anything, it cannot "tell you" anything. It is only the lack of belief in gods, that's it. Of course this escapes some atheists as well, but if you're going to try to make an argument, you shouldn't use something that is demonstrably inaccurate as the basis of it.
In the nuclear age religions are no more the main concerns for capitalism. Of course capitalism is a suicadal society, but the nuclear society is an additional impetus for the danger of extermination of mankind.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#11956 Feb 3, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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Atheism is a cult of reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason
What they haven't figured out yet is that their elevation above the ignorant masses is not nearly as great as they imagine, since their theories are slender reeds, not marble columns.
Oh my! Did you really assume that no one read the article or did you not read it yourself? The first sentence reads:

'The Cult of Reason (French: Culte de la Raison)a was an atheistic belief system established in France and intended as a replacement for Christianity during the French Revolution.[1]'

Your reasoning is flawed if you assume that this applies to all atheists--see the fallacy of composition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_compo...

Since the Cult of Reason was a specific movement tied to an equally specific historical period, making it more general and applying it to all modern atheists reflects an ignorance of basic logic.
Henry

Mühlhausen, Germany

#11957 Feb 3, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Really?
"before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me"
Isaiah 43:10
In other words, there was nothing before your god because that's exactly what the Bible tells us was there before him.
By your own definition, your religion is a philosophy of absurdity.
The bible is absolutely absurd!

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#11958 Feb 3, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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Stalin was an atheist.
Explain to us with your mighty intelligence where it says in atheism that we must commit genocide?

Thanks liar. Hitler was a vegetarian too, does that mean he was kind of living things?

Usually people behave the opposite of what they preach - especially the religious.

Remember Ted Haggard anyone?
Henry

Gotha, Germany

#11959 Feb 3, 2013
Clint wrote:
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Capitalism is the only hope humanity has to survive and flourish.
That is a joke!
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#11960 Feb 3, 2013
rio wrote:
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You have a very simplistic view about religions, far too rationalist. You think it's only about belief.
The fact is that religions aren't only about beliefs, but about traditions, cultures, mentalities, philosophy, etc... transmitted from generation to generation.
Not every christian, muslim, jew, indu, buddhist, sikh, are 100% behind the dogma, or even understand it, but most feel part of a community that has deep rooted origins. Many people become lapsed christian, non-practising muslim, etc... but still cling to the identity belonging to a faith gives them.
Atheists may be right or not, I don't care, but atheism doesn't bring the same warmth and cohesion belonging to a religion does.
As for "Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038", who do the "religionists" will have to surrender too? LOL
I see what you mean Rio and you couldn't be more wrong.

"traditions, cultures, mentalities, philosophy, etc... transmitted from generation to generation" are not religion. They are "traditions, cultures, mentalities, philosophy, etc... transmitted from generation to generation".

Religion is divisive and a source of sectarianism and conflict. There are good traditions and bad ones - and religion is a divisive one.

Remember, people do not choose to be atheist. Anyone stupid enough to believe in an Abrahamic god is bound to end up in a minority. That is only a matter of time now.

What do you mean by "too rationalist"? How is it possible to be too rationalist?

And as for simplistic: clever people make complicated things simple. Dim people make simple things complicated.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#11961 Feb 3, 2013
rio wrote:
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...I am very sympathetic to people wanting to keep their traditions, and I wouldn't dream of eradicating religions, as you atheist fanatics do. Religions don't bother me, and atheists neither, unless they start preaching to me like you try to do!
And perhaps you feel I am not very sympathetic? Or less than you are? People don't want our sympathy. People need mutual respect, understanding and empathy with each other.

Religion is generally harmful. People don't attack religion per se, it is the inevitable consequences of it: ID/Creationism (attacks on science); Halal meat (extraneous costs at best, abuse of animals at worst); religiuos courts (undermines 'one law for all'); child mutilation; superstitions; prejudice against gays, atheists and other religionists; etc, etc.

If you wish to defend religion, you need to suggest some use for it that makes it better than its abandonment.

You muddle religion with "traditions, cultures, mentalities, philosophy, etc". Religion goes from generation to generation like a cancer - it is parent-given, not god-given. Better to have an all-inclusive secular community where critical thinking is passed from one generation to the next than passing-on dogma, prejudice, religious distinctions and superstitions.

Religion = superstition. It really is that simple.

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