Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 Full story: Psychology Today 23,565

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Since: Jan 13

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#11806 Feb 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>So ... you stone non-believers and children. Good that you admit that.
I haven't stoned anybody. Once again, your anger is misplaced.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#11807 Feb 1, 2013
Yes exactly I wondered why that idiot left out where god has then kill all the non believers instead of letting them learn their lesson and say go out to tell everyone.

This is the morals of their holy book so is it any wonder they are so intolerant and bigoted to non believers?
Adam wrote:
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Good point. I'd forgotten about that one. Jeepers, what a terrible book, and they teach that stuff to give to kids.

Since: Mar 11

Louisville, KY

#11808 Feb 1, 2013
1: Already stated. Your lack of facts and reason certainly does not help your cause.
2: You are unable to show how your god is anything other than a fantasy hence you are defined as living in such.
3: What else do you call someone who lives by delusion as you do?
4: Credentials in specialities tend to go after the name. Example Dr. John Smith DDS. Wow you are really bad at this! Oh well that's what you get for trying to preach your imagination to atheists.
5: Tell that to the Christ loving Muslims blowing themselves up for your god.
6: It is indeed logical but logic is difficult for one such as yourself who lives under the chains of superstition and delusion.

Perhaps you should change your screen name to just failing?
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Who gave you the right to do the analyzing? Or to define what I believe in as being fantasy? Or label me as delusional? Did I miss the PhD in Psychology in front of your name? Choosing to believe or not believe in any given thing does not necessarily label one as a threat to the safety of those around them. Also where is this invisible line I have supposedly crossed? Is that even logical?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11809 Feb 1, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
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Honestly, I'm not even gonna go there. Have fun with that.
So in other words, you just want to decry something just to decry it.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11810 Feb 1, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
I haven't stoned anybody. Once again, your anger is misplaced.
Interesting. You do know that I don't get angry, right? That's a strange side effect of education.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11811 Feb 1, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Who gave you the right to do the analyzing? Or to define what I believe in as being fantasy? Or label me as delusional? Did I miss the PhD in Psychology in front of your name? Choosing to believe or not believe in any given thing does not necessarily label one as a threat to the safety of those around them. Also where is this invisible line I have supposedly crossed? Is that even logical?
Being alive is what gave me that right, being human is what gave me the drive to. It's a trait that is actually useful to any species capable of self perpetuated advance. As for the rest, well, you don't know. Even if I said I was a professional psychologist there is no way to provide solid evidence of that. I could say I work for the CIA, but couldn't prove that to you in any sane or legal way. So make all the assumptions about me you want, because every assumption you make tells us all more about the quality of, or lack thereof, your character.
insidesecrets

Albuquerque, NM

#11812 Feb 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Then what use is Christianity except to the priests making the weekly deposits?
Secular humanism has an excellent record, surpassing both classes of religions - godless religions like Maosim, and supernatural ones like Christianity - both classes of which humanism repudiates :
"We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others."
Love unites. Hatred divides. This is as true today as it was centuries ago. Bigoted atheists like yourself give secular humanism a bad name. Bashing religions won't win you respect, and it certainly won't attract people to your cause. If atheists expect to be taken seriously enough to conquer the world by 2038, they will have to adopt an approach that engenders trust and acceptance rather than revulsion.
insidesecrets

Albuquerque, NM

#11813 Feb 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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<quoted text>
That's quite a statement coming from a theist.
Are you contradicting or challenging her claim?
<quoted text>
Straw man.
What is relevant to Kitten's comment is that repairing the physical body is better than being unable to. Ameliorating disease is a huge achievement compared to being unable to impact it at all. And prolonging life through the use of drugs is better than dying sooner.
Are you one of those Christians that demeans the achievements of man to promote the Christian position that man is worthless and totally dependent on a god? Do you resent reading about man's triumphs, especially secular man?
Because I'm from the anti-human defamation league, and we're here to oppose that pernicious and demotivational message. Man is a truly remarkable ape - the closest thing to a god that we know of.
Man is God made physical.

Religion, even voodoism, can produce as many examples of miracle cures as proponents of modern medicine can produce facsimiles. It has been said by doctors themselves that medicine isn't a science. It's a belief system centered around the art of second guessing. Unfortunately modern medicine is not about healing. It's about capitalizing on human suffering for profit. No terminal patient who is ready to die for example, wants life forced on him through artificial means. The current controversy around euthanasia or assisted suicide is just one of many dilemmas brought about by modern medicine's attempt to play God.

"For a pediatrician to attack what has become the "bread and butter" (vaccines) of pediatric practice is equivalent to a priest denying the infallibility of the pope." - Dr Robert Mendelsohn, M.D.
insidesecrets

Albuquerque, NM

#11814 Feb 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you kidding me? Why did you post this if not to smear all atheists - including secular humanists - with the deeds of unrelated ideologies?:
"The historical record of collective atheism is thousands of times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous bloodbath, the Spanish Inquisition."
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
And so what if not all Christians burned witches? Do you all need to light one up for it to be a problem? Should it matter to me that only half of you would burn me?
Finally, can you name one society in history where Christians had the power to burn or impale unbelievers with impunity, but elected not to use it? Can you name one instance of Christians saying, "Yes, we could burn people alive that we don't approve of, but we choose not to do it, because that would be barbaric and sadistic"?
Me, neither.
The practices of medieval Europe are not the practices of 21st century of America. You are creating iniquities where none exist....arguing from the past, not the present.
insidesecrets

Albuquerque, NM

#11815 Feb 1, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Um, actually, it's not "using drugs" that extends life, it's the fact that ailments which were death sentences can now be taken care of with quick surgeries, or occasionally a medication if it's viral or bacterial. Your existential garbage is what has caused more suffering by "praying" in place of medicine or seeing witch doctors. Modern medicine doesn't tell people what to believe, but it has saved my life numerous times. In order to live your last years in perfect health you have to die of an accident at the age of 20, any older and you will get sick ... a lot, and you will need modern medicine.
I don't subscribe to the assumption that modern medicine can do better than Nature. I believe the body is fully capable of healing itself and think the high priests of chemical and surgical carnage not only interfer with this natural process but compromise human health in many instances. Read the comments on medical message boards by people caught on an endless carousel.....seeing one doctor after another, taking one prescription drug after another to counter the side effects of these drugs instead of the malady itself. The more one depends on agencies outside of himself, the more he is dominated by them.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11816 Feb 1, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
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I don't subscribe to the assumption that modern medicine can do better than Nature. I believe the body is fully capable of healing itself and think the high priests of chemical and surgical carnage not only interfer with this natural process but compromise human health in many instances. Read the comments on medical message boards by people caught on an endless carousel.....seeing one doctor after another, taking one prescription drug after another to counter the side effects of these drugs instead of the malady itself. The more one depends on agencies outside of himself, the more he is dominated by them.
You do realize that modern medicine is actually harnessed natural processes, right? As in "nature refined," for a more accurate descriptive. You are actually denying that nature works when you deny modern medicine. But your failure to comprehend that shows you know nothing about medicine, or how it works. You know less about science than even a layperson, and less about reality than those with god delusions.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#11817 Feb 1, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't subscribe to the assumption that modern medicine can do better than Nature. I believe the body is fully capable of healing itself and think the high priests of chemical and surgical carnage not only interfer with this natural process but compromise human health in many instances. Read the comments on medical message boards by people caught on an endless carousel.....seeing one doctor after another, taking one prescription drug after another to counter the side effects of these drugs instead of the malady itself. The more one depends on agencies outside of himself, the more he is dominated by them.
I was in a wheelchair in the late '90s. I've also had 4 heart attacks. Thanks to the medical work in biological disease modification (and the shots I take every week) and the CABG I endured about 8 years ago, I go dancing regularly (cha-cha & swing are our favorites), I live in a major downtown community and walk everywhere, and I'm headed to Denali in a few months.

I have consulted in the medical private practice arena, so I know the problems of medicine. I also know it's successes. People need to learn to take responsibility for their medical care and realize that the provider is your paid expert but it's still your body.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#11818 Feb 1, 2013
insidesecrets wrote:
<quoted text>
<snip> If atheists expect to be taken seriously enough to conquer the world by 2038, they will have to adopt an approach that engenders trust and acceptance rather than revulsion.
So, don't follow the fundamental Christian lead. Got it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11820 Feb 1, 2013
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>I broadly agree with many of Pat Condell's views, but not necessarily the way he expresses them.
Do you know why he is so averse to Dutch courts? "..faith disqualifies reason the way a Dutch criminal court discredits disqualifies truth and witnesses"?(3mins :30secs)
No. I assumed that it was a Anglicism related to a historical dispute - like Dutch treat.

Yes, Condell's style is quite aggressive. He also made a video criticizing those who want him to lighten up. It might offend you. From
:

"there was plenty of negative feedback as well from the usual religious nut jobs, but also from some atheists who have told me that they think I'm giving atheism a bad name. Yeah right. Like it ever had a good name. I've been told things like my arguments are too crude, I'm damaging the atheist cause, I'm not contributing to the debate, and my personal favorite: "You won't convert anyone to atheism by insulting people.

[snip]

"I don't think this is a matter for polite debate, especially when all you're going to get is the usual raft of glibly held but unexamined certainties hammered home like coffin nails at every opportunity. Because dogma is blind and deaf to anything that reason has to offer. Faith is non-negotiable, so where exactly is the debate? You obey the rules of reason; religion ignores them ...

"Religion is out of control right now precisely because too many people have been too diplomatic for too long. If we'd had the balls to do some straight talking years ago when we should have and put this insulting nonsense in its rightful place with astrology and palmistry, we wouldn't even be talking about this now. We'd be doing something more useful with our time. What a waste of an enlightenment."

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11821 Feb 1, 2013
01Justsayin wrote:
<quoted text>
Lol You took what I said completely out of context in a pathetic attempt to manipulate it into proving your point. That's just low. Not to mention lazy and uncivilized.
If you wish to be taken seriously, you need to give me an argument to rebut. Your bare claims like this are dismissed out of hand.

If I ever accuse you of taking me out of context, I will repost what you selected from my words right next to the fuller quotation containing the missing context, and show what you did and how.

For example, if I were to post that "I would never say that I don't love my wife," and you quoted me as saying, "I don't love my wife," I would post your snippet beside the whole quote, with relevant context restored to demonstrate what you did.

You didn't do that. Look at what you posted instead. To me, that's low, although I'm quite accustomed to it in these threads.

Or maybe you'd care to try again this time. Make a case this time if you can. Do you have any such evidence to present, or shall we just assume that it was you that took the cheap shot here, which of course is the default position when you can't or won't defend your allegations.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11822 Feb 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I don't respect your beliefs. I don't respect faith, and I especially don't respect Christianity or its church.

When did that church ever respect unbelievers? Now you want it from us? Christianity deserves no respect because it offers none.

After centuries of calling us fools, vile, abominations, the moral equivalent of murderers and whoremongers, and fit to be dropped into fire still conscious, what exactly are you hoping for now?

Sorry, but I've waited a long time to be able to express how I feel about your religion - how it has maligned, dehumanized and marginalized people like me for the audacity to question it. At long last, we have a safe way to tell you what we think, and in my case at least, respect is not a part of the message.
01Justsayin wrote:
This isn't about respect for religion at all.
It is for me.
01Justsayin wrote:
It's about respect for a fellow human being.
You? I neither respect nor disrespect you. I don't know you. Did you mean politeness? I am being polite. I haven't called you a c*nt yet, have I?

What respect do you expect? You are waving the Christian flag. That's not respectable. You need to be prepared to defend whatever aspects of your church that haven't repudiated.

For example, I showed you several examples of Christian hate speech and all you could say is that your bible is violent. You should have apologized for whoever wrote those words from Psalms and Revelation, and the harm that they have caused people like me. You didn't. No Christian ever has to me.

Sorry, but I don't respect any of that, nor the people who advocate it.
01Justsayin wrote:
I don't respect your views just because they are views. I respect the human being whose views they are.
You seem to be confusing politeness and tact with respect. Topix and message boards are about ideas, not persons. I don't know you, just some of your opinions.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11823 Feb 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Then what use is Christianity except to the priests making the weekly deposits?


< crickets >
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Secular humanism has an excellent record, surpassing both classes of religions - godless religions like Maosim, and supernatural ones like Christianity - both classes of which humanism repudiates :

"We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others."
insidesecrets wrote:
Bigoted atheists like yourself give secular humanism a bad name.
On behalf of atheism and atheists, thanks for your concern. We value your Christian opinions on atheism and humanism.
insidesecrets wrote:
Bashing religions won't win you respect, and it certainly won't attract people to your cause.
Discussing Christianity has been very helpful.
insidesecrets wrote:
If atheists expect to be taken seriously enough to conquer the world by 2038, they will have to adopt an approach that engenders trust and acceptance rather than revulsion.
Your suggestion has been forwarded.

BTW, I've recalculated the ETA of the irreligious assuming majority status in America based on the PEW data. "2038" is an extrapolation from the ARIS data charting 1990 to 2008. Average growth of the irreligious category was about 3.5% annually over that period.

Apparently, there has been an acceleration in the rate of America's crossover from religious to irreligious, no doubt because irreligiosity is more socially acceptable. America crossed over at a rate of about 6% per annum between 2007 and 2012.

As a result, disregarding any potential more acceleration or deceleration, we should see Christians hit minority status in America about 2029. Here are the data and calculations if you're so inclined:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
insidesecrets

Albuquerque, NM

#11824 Feb 1, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
I was in a wheelchair in the late '90s. I've also had 4 heart attacks. Thanks to the medical work in biological disease modification (and the shots I take every week) and the CABG I endured about 8 years ago, I go dancing regularly (cha-cha & swing are our favorites), I live in a major downtown community and walk everywhere, and I'm headed to Denali in a few months.
I have consulted in the medical private practice arena, so I know the problems of medicine. I also know it's successes. People need to learn to take responsibility for their medical care and realize that the provider is your paid expert but it's still your body.
To believe you, I would have to take your claims at face value, which I don't.
insidesecrets

Albuquerque, NM

#11825 Feb 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
< crickets >
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
On behalf of atheism and atheists, thanks for your concern. We value your Christian opinions on atheism and humanism.
<quoted text>
Discussing Christianity has been very helpful.
<quoted text>
Your suggestion has been forwarded.
BTW, I've recalculated the ETA of the irreligious assuming majority status in America based on the PEW data. "2038" is an extrapolation from the ARIS data charting 1990 to 2008. Average growth of the irreligious category was about 3.5% annually over that period.
Apparently, there has been an acceleration in the rate of America's crossover from religious to irreligious, no doubt because irreligiosity is more socially acceptable. America crossed over at a rate of about 6% per annum between 2007 and 2012.
As a result, disregarding any potential more acceleration or deceleration, we should see Christians hit minority status in America about 2029. Here are the data and calculations if you're so inclined:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Like weather forecasting, predictions are a tricky business.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11826 Feb 1, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
insidesecrets wrote:
Man is God made physical. Religion, even voodoism, can produce as many examples of miracle cures as proponents of modern medicine can produce facsimiles. It has been said by doctors themselves that medicine isn't a science. It's a belief system centered around the art of second guessing. Unfortunately modern medicine is not about healing. It's about capitalizing on human suffering for profit. No terminal patient who is ready to die for example, wants life forced on him through artificial means. The current controversy around euthanasia or assisted suicide is just one of many dilemmas brought about by modern medicine's attempt to play God.
"For a pediatrician to attack what has become the "bread and butter" (vaccines) of pediatric practice is equivalent to a priest denying the infallibility of the pope." - Dr Robert Mendelsohn, M.D.
OK.

On your posts with points, in the future, please indicate what they are. I thank you for your cooperation in advance.

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