Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

[scaritual]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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Stealing comes as effortlessly as lying for the Christians. They continually try to steal the US Constitution and science for Jesus, as when we hear how the founding fathers and many scientists are Christian. They even stole "Thou shalt not steal" from the Jews.

Abrahamic Religion: "Ripping off other religions since...well, since we can!"

[01Justsayin]

?) ARGUMENT FROM SMUGNESS
(1) God exists.
(2) I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not; I have better things to do than to try to convince you morons.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

??) ARGUMENT FROM META-SMUGNESS
(1) F*ck you.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

[Very Cynical Person]

Just Think wrote:

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Seriously...this is a joke - right?

I think 01Justsayin gone off the deep end.

Using the circular reasoning formula again.

01Justsayin what’s proof that something doesn’t exist from the ones that do not believe it exist, therefore 01Justsayin can side step his/her obligation to prove a statement made as an absolute.

[Very Cynical Person]

01Justsayin wrote:

?) ARGUMENT FROM SMUGNESS
(1) God exists.
(2) I don't give a crap whether you believe it or not; I have better things to do than to try to convince you morons.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
??) ARGUMENT FROM META-SMUGNESS
(1) F*ck you.
(2) Therefore, God exists.

Got backed into a corner did you?

[KittenKoder]

01Justsayin wrote:

Proof that God exists:
1) TRANSCENDENTAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. PRESUPPOSITIONALIST (I)
(1) If reason exists then God exists.
(2) Reason exists.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
2) COSMOLOGICAL ARGUMENT, a.k.a. FIRST CAUSE ARGUMENT (I)
(1) If I say something must have a cause, it has a cause.
(2) I say the universe must have a cause.
(3) Therefore, the universe has a cause.
(4) Therefore, God exists.
3) ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) I define God to be X.
(2) Since I can conceive of X, X must exist.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
4) ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) I can conceive of a perfect God.
(2) One of the qualities of perfection is existence.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
5) MODAL ONTOLOGICAL ARGUMENT
(1) God is either necessary or unnecessary.
(2) God is not unnecessary, therefore God must be necessary.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
6) ARGUMENT FROM DESIGN, a.k.a. GOD OF THE GAPS, a.k.a. TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (I)
(1) Check out the world/universe/giraffe. Isn't it complex?
(2) Only God could have made them so complex.
(3) Therefore, God exists.
7) ARGUMENT FROM BEAUTY, a.k.a. DESIGN/TELEOLOGICAL ARGUMENT (II)
(1) Isn't that baby/sunset/flower/tree beautiful?
(2) Only God could have made them so beautiful.
(3) Therefore, God exists.

1. Presupposition.
2. Presupposition.
3. Delusion.
4. Delusion.
5. False dichotomy.
6. Presupposition.
7. Argument from ignorance.

All fallacies, all debunked a million times over, all pointless garbage used by people to remain lazy.

[KittenKoder]

Very Cynical Person wrote:

<quoted text>Got backed into a corner did you?

His back was against the wall the first post he made on the subject. Now he's just spamming garbage for the sake of garbage.

[insidesecrets]

KittenKoder wrote:

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So explain how it is that medical science works?

It doesn't. People continue to get sick.

[Very Cynical Person]

KittenKoder wrote:

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His back was against the wall the first post he made on the subject. Now he's just spamming garbage for the sake of garbage.

Yea, man they can squirm can’t they?

[KittenKoder]

insidesecrets wrote:

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It doesn't. People continue to get sick.

Well, they get sick a lot less, each advance tends to result in fewer people getting sick. Not to mention people are not dying nearly as much today as they were 30 years ago. We're living a lot longer, all thanks to medical science.

So, it's working. Your fallacy is: http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-d...

[insidesecrets]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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What do you think would be the difference if Pol Pot and Mao had been Christians? Are you implying that that would have saved lives? Hitler and Stalin were raised in Christianity. It didn't seem to make much difference, did it? Not any more than it did during the Spanish Inquisition or the Salem witch burnings.
Totalitarian ideologies like Stalinism are simply religions like Christianity and Islam, but with human gods. They are all cults of personality, where worship of the leader and strict devotion to his pronouncements is demanded. They are equally authoritarian and intolerant, and as you noted, each have long histories of genocide.
Secular humanism, which is only guilty of giving the world modern liberal democracies, human rights, and science, repudiates it all:
"We affirm humanism as a realistic alternative to theologies of despair and ideologies of violence and as a source of rich personal significance and genuine satisfaction in the service to others."
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Every member of the Supreme Court that voted with the majority in Roe vs. Wade was a theist. Most abortions have been requested by Christian women. I'm afraid that blood is on your hands.

I am saying that atheists are as guilty of committing atrocities as you claim Christians are.

[insidesecrets]

scaritual wrote:

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If "the god!" is beyond all intellectual thought or imaginings able to be conceived of by man, then, how can you make that statement?
Wait, don't tell me, you know.
<laughs>

You missed this part apparently. ".....and religious myths, are the touchstones of our NATURAL DIVINITY expressed.

[01Justsayin]

Just Think wrote:

<quoted text>Seriously...this is a joke - right?

Lol Yeah.

[KittenKoder]

insidesecrets wrote:

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I am saying that atheists are as guilty of committing atrocities as you claim Christians are.

Yes, atheists with totalitarian agendas, but not all atheists. Or do we blame all christians for the witch hunts, Crusades, Inquisition ... and many others? Anyone with a totalitarian agenda will commit atrocities, it's a means to an end for that type of thinking, it has nothing to do with belief or lack of belief. However, the god delusion masks many other very dangerous psychosis.

[insidesecrets]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Well, they get sick a lot less, each advance tends to result in fewer people getting sick. Not to mention people are not dying nearly as much today as they were 30 years ago. We're living a lot longer, all thanks to medical science.
So, it's working. Your fallacy is: http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-d...

You believe what modern medicine wants you to believe. Repairing the physical body is not the same as healing it. Ameliorateing diseases is not the same as curing them. Prolonging life through the use of drugs is not the same as living one's last years in good health.

[insidesecrets]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Yes, atheists with totalitarian agendas, but not all atheists. Or do we blame all christians for the witch hunts, Crusades, Inquisition ... and many others? Anyone with a totalitarian agenda will commit atrocities, it's a means to an end for that type of thinking, it has nothing to do with belief or lack of belief. However, the god delusion masks many other very dangerous psychosis.

You cannot paint all Christians with the same broad brush. Not all Christians burned witches at the stake, not all of them participated in the Crusades and Inquisition.

[KittenKoder]

insidesecrets wrote:

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You cannot paint all Christians with the same broad brush. Not all Christians burned witches at the stake, not all of them participated in the Crusades and Inquisition.

Way to not read the post you are responding to.

[KittenKoder]

insidesecrets wrote:

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You believe what modern medicine wants you to believe. Repairing the physical body is not the same as healing it. Ameliorateing diseases is not the same as curing them. Prolonging life through the use of drugs is not the same as living one's last years in good health.

Um, actually, it's not "using drugs" that extends life, it's the fact that ailments which were death sentences can now be taken care of with quick surgeries, or occasionally a medication if it's viral or bacterial. Your existential garbage is what has caused more suffering by "praying" in place of medicine or seeing witch doctors. Modern medicine doesn't tell people what to believe, but it has saved my life numerous times. In order to live your last years in perfect health you have to die of an accident at the age of 20, any older and you will get sick ... a lot, and you will need modern medicine.

[Khatru]

insidesecrets wrote:

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It is not religion that holds science back, but the gross limitations of its own pedestrian thought.
Religion gives mankind hope.

I see.

You'll be all for Islam, then.

[01Justsayin]

insidesecrets wrote:

<quoted text>You cannot paint all Christians with the same broad brush. Not all Christians burned witches at the stake, not all of them participated in the Crusades and Inquisition.

Agreed

[01Justsayin]

KittenKoder wrote:

<quoted text>Um, actually, it's not "using drugs" that extends life, it's the fact that ailments which were death sentences can now be taken care of with quick surgeries, or occasionally a medication if it's viral or bacterial. Your existential garbage is what has caused more suffering by "praying" in place of medicine or seeing witch doctors. Modern medicine doesn't tell people what to believe, but it has saved my life numerous times. In order to live your last years in perfect health you have to die of an accident at the age of 20, any older and you will get sick ... a lot, and you will need modern medicine.

Modern medicine does have its advantages. Though you can't guarantee that someone will get sick at any age let alone after the age of 20. There are too many variables. In order to be able to predict every one of them, you would have to be omnipresent.