Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 Full story: Psychology Today 23,046

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#11464 Jan 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That was a fun video. Thanks.
Did you notice how they framed the two pairs of teams? Here they are, with their scores
The Liberal Media Elites (248) vs. The Young Conservatives (27)
and
The Agnostic Scholars (327) vs. The Young Believers (0)
I did notice that, and I was particularly pleased to hear that the first group hung around in the green room for a couple of hours chatting amiably. People don't have to agree with each other to get along well. I'm sure that most of us see that in our personal lives.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#11465 Jan 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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One gets the impression not so much that the Christian believes that he is right, but that he doesn't care if he is wrong. What would be the honest answer to the question, "If you were wrong, would you want to know"?
As you note, once you have invested as much of yourself to an ideology as these people have, and you believe that there is no harm in being wrong, what's the incentive to learn that you are wrong? Unless you experience cognitive dissonance at the idea of being wrong, I'd say that there is none.
I'd guess that for you to have burrowed out, you must have experienced some sort of cognitive dissonance over the possibility of being wrong. Being correct - a love of truth - still had to matter to you, or why would you have bothered?
Christian dogma devotes a lot of energy to preventing that. Reason is demeaned, and its opposite, accepting ideas without reason, is praised with a pretty word, "faith." The believers own mind is said to be Satan speaking to him, the and listening to ones own mind is framed as a moral failure: losing faith. Those that do leave are described as being weak.
Does any of that sound familiar?
I just made two polls based on the question...

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#11466 Jan 26, 2013
"Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#11467 Jan 26, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
"Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
I think I lost brain cells just skimming that.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#11468 Jan 26, 2013
He is Coming Soon wrote:
"Nevertheless when the Son of Man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8
www.scribd.com/doc/31322017 ...
"Each and everyone of us must personally, individually come to the full and complete comprehension that we are condemned as sinners right where we stand,here and now."

Man...that is a very degrading faith you follow...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11469 Jan 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
I think it is "literal interpretation" of Genesis and Bible that has contributed towards this Atheist movement in Western countries.Neither Bible nor book of Genesis should be interpreted literally, because these books were not "dictated by God"
Then why read them? They aren't very good as literature, nor reliable as history or science.
MUQ wrote:
The Church's illogical stand has been a major factor for origin and rise of Atheism in the West.
That's how it should be, just like a bad business should fail. If they were doing things properly, they would not be wasting away. If you don't function properly and you can't adapt, you perish.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11470 Jan 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
And the problem is that when they start rejecting Bible, they reject all scriptures, because in their view, there can never be any book or scripture better or more authentic than their Bible.
You just said that the scriptures should not be interpreted literally. Once you open that door, you lose control of thought, which is essential to the church. Freethinking is poison to any thought control system.

If people are free to interpret scripture figuratively, the next thing you know, hell is a metaphor, sin is a metaphor, crucifixion is a metaphor, and resurrection is a metaphor. Without a literal Adam defying a literal god by eating a literal apple, there is no original sin, and no need for salvation or Christ. How can you tell the people that Adam, the snake and the apple were allegory, but not the god?

And without a literal hell and the fear it invokes, Christianity has no appeal. The carrot - eternity praising a black hole of narcissistic need - isn't much of a draw. I'd probably rather be unconscious for eternity than be stuck doing that. You couldn't get me to church without the stick - hellfire.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11471 Jan 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
So the church has caused more people to go away from religion and then reject all religions and all books of God.
They have a crappy product. Once they lost control of the spread of information, they were finished. When you could stigmatize atheism to the point that people were afraid to even think such thoughts, let alone express them aloud, nobody criticized the church much. The Internet put an end to that. We speak freely here, without worry about being ostracized, having our cars keyed, our children harassed, or our pets executed.

And anybody interested in hearing what people like us have to say have easy access to the information. When I was a young person, there was zero information available to me on the subject, and I didn't know a single person that called himself an atheist. That's all changed with the Internet and the various best sellers from prominent atheists.

When you could hush up priestly pedophilic crimes with settlements tied to secrecy, you could go on diddling little boys with impunity. The Internet allowed these boys to find one another, and for the world to see the magnitude of the problem, and the church's complicity in it. Bam!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11472 Jan 26, 2013
MUQ wrote:
our prophet was not able to read or write, that is why he "Was told to memorize what was revealed to him". He memorized the verses he heard the Angel of God speak to him and then he asked "some of his scribe to write it down".
Then it's fourth hand - Allah to the angel to Mohammed to the scribe? And unless you're looking at the original scribes manuscript, it's fifth or sixth generation information.

Why can't Allah write?

BTW, do you know the game telephone?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Game+of+tele...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11473 Jan 26, 2013
Very Cynical Person wrote:
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That is the thing one group of people takes the time to learn, understand, and educate themselves on many levels while other groups lack the drive to learn, understand, and educate themselves. If all a person will do is take what they are told at face value then they lose face.
The contrast was striking.

When the question was, "Name a reason to have an abortion" (the format was like Family Feud), the conservatives answered first, got control of the board, and answered life of the mother and rape. Then, they ran out of answers and kept missing, finally losing control of the board when they answered incest. So, the liberals got a chance to steal, and they answered "None." They realized that that would be many people's answer.

When the question was, "Name the most intriguing aspect of Darwin's theory," the liberals took control by winning the toss-up, and after three correct answers, ran out of answers, which gave the conservative the chance to steal back. They answered "The Big Bang." At least two of them blurted that answer out confidently, even nodding while speaking.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11474 Jan 26, 2013
NightSerf wrote:
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I just made two polls based on the question...
Great! Thanks.

I found one at http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T... , but not the other.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11475 Jan 26, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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"Each and everyone of us must personally, individually come to the full and complete comprehension that we are condemned as sinners right where we stand,here and now."

Man...that is a very degrading faith you follow...
No kidding. That was disgusting.

And talk about false advertising: They tell us that we are made in the image of a perfect and merciful god, whose gift of perfect love freed us from the bondage of sin.

Then they go on to describe the human race in the most contemptible of terms, they describe a petty, jealous, vengeful, capricious, genocidal god that has prepared a torture pit from which there is no parole for most of us, and as your citation attests, they teach us to feel guilt and contrition for being human.

The the basic emotional state is shame, fear, and dependency, and the cardinal message is submission.

“Don't be so dichotomous.”

Since: Jan 11

Embrace the grey.

#11476 Jan 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
You're the third person I respect that has disagreed with me. Perhaps I'm wrong on this matter. I wasn't expecting any dissent. I thought that preserving the human race was a high enough moral good to trump an individual's right to dissent about reproducing. I'll have to rethink it.
I would need the situation to be real in order to make the decision.

As a distilled hypothetical, I don't have a "correct" answer. If you start filling in the blanks, the rape could get very unethical very fast.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#11477 Jan 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Truthfully, it is a LOT better than it was 30 years ago! I lived when the threat of nuclear annihilation was an every-day worry. Now, we worry that a terrorist or two will get a nuke and destroy a city. Then, we worried about tend of thousands of nukes destroying civilization.
They dug up a 50's style bunker, refurbished it (staying true to the era) and put it on display.

They've got much more sophisticated and many times larger underground living quarters for survival now....only corporations and federal agencies can afford them.....drat the luck;0)

I live in Missouri, I'm heading for the caves.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#11478 Jan 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I find them by accident. The hard part is remembering that I have them bookmarked.
Eeek! A Planter's Peanut fetus.....
Charlie Chaplin

United States

#11479 Jan 26, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
<quoted text>I think I lost brain cells just skimming that.
Sorry to hear that. You have so few to spare.
Charlie Chaplin

United States

#11480 Jan 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>No kidding. That was disgusting.

And talk about false advertising: They tell us that we are made in the image of a perfect and merciful god, whose gift of perfect love freed us from the bondage of sin.

Then they go on to describe the human race in the most contemptible of terms, they describe a petty, jealous, vengeful, capricious, genocidal god that has prepared a torture pit from which there is no parole for most of us, and as your citation attests, they teach us to feel guilt and contrition for being human.

The the basic emotional state is shame, fear, and dependency, and the cardinal message is submission.
Thank God he chose to do things the way he did it. Really draws a line of separation doesn't it? This way you don't have to spend eternity with people like us and we don't have to spend it with people like you. It's so brilliant that you can't understand the reason for it.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11481 Jan 26, 2013
Henry wrote:
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The garden of eden is just a myth like so many biblical phenomenons!
Of course.

It's an UGLY myth, though.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11482 Jan 26, 2013
Henry wrote:
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Unfortunately in the nuclear age the hope of survival is dwindling!
Oh, I think life itself is far more hardy than most folk give credit-- after all, we found life 18,000 feet down in solid rock.

We found it thriving in extremely salty mud-pools, some at 180 degrees and more.

We found it doing fine in year-round ice-- tiny little ice-worms, eking out a living in glaciers, eating bacteria and algae.

Life does fine at the bottom of the sea, too-- where oxygen is scarce and sunlight non-existent--yet, there's life aplenty.

I think human life will be around, in one form or another, for a long, long time-- it just may not be civilized humans as we know the word.

But we have proven to be hard to kill as a species. Even atomic bombs won't wipe is out completely-- some humans will survive one way or another.

But one thing is sure-- if there is an atomic holocaust? No modern >>religion<< will survive that-- people pretty quickly toss out complicated religions in favor of very naturalistic/simple ones, when things go all pear-shaped.

So neither Islam nor Christianity would survive such an event-- which >>almost<< makes it worth while to contemplate....

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11483 Jan 26, 2013
Henry wrote:
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Not in these nuclear age. We are belated in our ideology, which means the hope for survival is very low!
I'm more optimistic than you are, clearly.

Nothing wrong with a little pessimism, I always say-- just don't let it make you unhappy.

:)

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