Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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I accepted mtimber's conditions: they were the last two people in the world, and she was unwilling to procreate. It was a pretty simple ethical problem,although mtimber thinks I made the wrong choice.
Let's test our ethical IQs with a moral dilemma as an exercise in ethics. What would you do? This test only has one question, but a difficult one. Please don't answer it without giving it careful thought. By giving your most honest answer, you will discover where you stand on the moral spectrum.
The test features a fictional situation, one in which you will have to make a difficult decision. Your answer should be spontaneous - given within a few seconds of reading the question.
Ready? Begin!
You're in New Orleans in 2005, and there is chaos everywhere around you caused by hurricane Katrina and the resultant flooding. You are a photojournalist working for a major newspaper caught in the middle of this great disaster. The situation is overwhelming, and you're trying to shoot career-making photos, as houses and people swirl around you, some disappearing under the water.
Then you see a man in the water fighting for his life, trying not to be swept away with the water and debris. You move closer. Somehow the man looks familiar. Suddenly, you know who it is ... it's George W. Bush! At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him under, forever.
You have two options. You can save him, or you can take the most dramatic photos of your career. You can save George W. Bush's life, or you can shoot a sure Pulitzer Prize winning photo of him dying.
Here's the dilemma: Color, or would you rather go with the classic simplicity and aesthetic value of black and white?
Digital. That way I can use DRM onto the file, to protect my rights when it's distributed world-wide as a celebration of Justice.

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Thanks for that.
I see the practical problems - the rape might not produce the desired outcome.
But as a matter of principle, I don't think a woman in such a position has a right to refuse. Wouldn't you agree that there are times when survival trumps autonomy, such as somebody putting an airplane full of passengers at risk? Wouldn't it be ethical to do things to such a person that would otherwise be unethical?
You have to walk carefully there-- the group's fate does not >>automatically<< trump that of the individual's.

If that were the case, we'd still have slavery in the US, as the majority of the south, correctly claimed that much of it's economy depended on slavery for survival.

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Indeed, submit to rationality and reason.
Do you have a problem with that?
Of course you do, as revealed in Genesis.
Genesis is neither rational nor reasonable.

I'll see your 2 of Clubs, and trump it with an Ace of Spades.

Game.

Set.

Match.

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Love God, garden of Eden.
The garden was a display of child abuse writ large.

Period.

There is no other interpretation that makes any sense.

This being, who was the de-facto parents of Adam & Eve, deliberately and with malice, placed a known killer and evil being within this "garden".

And then, deliberately and with malice, turned away, blind to the fates of his children.

And then, deliberately and with evil intent, stood by allowing the mental-rape of the children to take place.

And then, acting on his evil intent, proceeds to torture the children for failing to best another god in a contest of wits.

All the fault, all the responsibility falls directly onto your god:

1) he failed to create beings who could withstand argument from another god (snake)

2) he failed to give them understanding of consequences (they had no knowledge of good or evil, remember)

3) he failed to stick around to protect them from harm

4) he failed to remove dangerous gods from his "garden"-- knowing the consequences of that failure (omniscient, remember?).

5) he proceeded to punish these children for HIS OWN MISTAKES.

That last one is evil without limit-- but he makes it worse:

6) he proceeds to PUNISH all subsequent generations! Even though they were innocent of ANY wrongdoing! That is even more evil--

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So you are a pro-lifer I assume and against abortion?
Based on what moral standard?
Your question is meaningless in it's context.

Next.

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Jesus was quoting the old testament...
Which means you MUST live by ALL the rules therein.

Unless you do? You are a hypocrite.

Period.

Are you a hypocrite, then?

We thought as much.

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There are 10 kinds of people in the world.
Those who get binary and those who don't.
Hi Bob - nice to see you 'round these parts again!
:)

I always thought that base 3 would have been a superior system, myself.

Doing great. Playing on Topix for a bit, then likely I'll get bored again and wander off.

:D

I trust you are doing as well? I'm spending time over on FB, on various pages here and there-- I always answer PMs there.

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The Hindus can account for the origin of the universe.
So can the Maoris.
You're ethics are no better than theirs.
In fact, they're probably worse because while your god was s instructing his followers to kill others, the Hindu deities were advocating the Golden Rule.
None of these can compare the FSM's origin stories, I always say.

Who can refute pasta? I mean, really?:D

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You're not from the UK, are you?
Otherwise you'd have spelled it "foetus"
I would be he's using a proxy, due to having been bannated by Topix.

How much you want to bet on that?

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with all of this only
5% of Americans are atheists.
Nope. 20-25% qualify as "atheist".

Putting "atheist" higher than the most, but just under "catholic".

The rest of the Genuine Christians™ are down in the 10% or less category.

And no--- you don't get to lump them all together.

Proof? All the separate churches you people built.

And more-- all the religious wars you fought against each other down through the ages.

So, no. Not even a little.

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If you do not have a sense of were you came from or who made then then you are doom here on earth.
It is the devil that works to failed your faith.
I see you are another devil worshiper.

Proof?

You just gave your devil more power than your god!

For clearly, your god is powerless to be ... convincing.

But not your devil...

... too FUNNY, really!

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Adam wrote:
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Interesting article. Christianity is definately on the decline in the UK.
Yep. Proof that in the UK, at least, the adults are winning this one.

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Congratulations!
Hiding! Good to see your post.

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I'm not sure. Suppose we had a situation where to preserve the human race we had to rape ALL the women alive at some time. Would that be justified? Your scenario feels much like that.

And the problem is that justifications like this have been used throughout history to perpetrate horrid crimes against humanity. And that leads me to think ALL such justifications are problematic, at least. Once again, better to let the human race die out than this.
I would say, in that particular scenario, the race will go extinct. From an ethical point of view, no other outcome is acceptable.

Unless, obviously, there existed a way to (with permission) use human ova, and mix with volunteered sperm, and gestate the result in an external womb.

Or, perhaps, some sort of cloning technique.

Any race that has to survive, by committing an atrocity? Should not survive at all.

But that's just me: I don't see survival as trumping everything else-- I just don't.

In direct contrast to the "morality" of the BuyBull, of course.

We humans have learned superior morality than what the BuyBull teaches, certainly.

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What if...what...if ... the first day was like, the big bang and the second day was like...13 billion years later...and then later that day, Earth...and then later that day, you get water...and then we fudge the birds and bats thing a bit, add some fish, twist stuff around, make humans appear too early,'cause the writer is stupid and ignorant, and God's logically impossible, and we throw all kinds of caveats in there, a few "but...but...but"s and add some illogic, irrationality and gross amounts of the opposite of education and teach it to gullible children?
Hey?!? What then, huh???
It'd still be unethical-- in that all the responsibility for all evil would still rest on the god of the story.

And once you go down the road of "absolve responsibility for actions" path? You get... a nation where huge fractions of the population is in prison.

... wait.

Oh... my.... this isn't good.

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There is high time for Americans to become atheists!
Agreed.

We are working on it-- at last count, the fraction of "not associated with religion" was around 20-25% or so.

And rising rapidly-- higher among the younger crowd, than among the older set.

There is hope for us after all.

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Lol! Where do you get them from?
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Wow! Holy Hypocrisy
Catholicism. Thy name is spelled "h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e"

Is anyone really surprised at this?

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I accepted mtimber's conditions: they were the last two people in the world, and she was unwilling to procreate. It was a pretty simple ethical problem,although mtimber thinks I made the wrong choice.
Let's test our ethical IQs with a moral dilemma as an exercise in ethics. What would you do? This test only has one question, but a difficult one. Please don't answer it without giving it careful thought. By giving your most honest answer, you will discover where you stand on the moral spectrum.
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Ready? Begin!
You're in New Orleans in 2005, and there is chaos everywhere around you caused by hurricane Katrina and the resultant flooding. You are a photojournalist working for a major newspaper caught in the middle of this great disaster. The situation is overwhelming, and you're trying to shoot career-making photos, as houses and people swirl around you, some disappearing under the water.
Then you see a man in the water fighting for his life, trying not to be swept away with the water and debris. You move closer. Somehow the man looks familiar. Suddenly, you know who it is ... it's George W. Bush! At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him under, forever.
You have two options. You can save him, or you can take the most dramatic photos of your career. You can save George W. Bush's life, or you can shoot a sure Pulitzer Prize winning photo of him dying.
Here's the dilemma: Color, or would you rather go with the classic simplicity and aesthetic value of black and white?
Color. You can always convert a color photo to black and white later.

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<quoted text> Anything that can be done, should be done. There are live humans at risk.
That is not true in the case of the man raping the woman. There is no one to save but himself and/or her. There are too many other possibilities not stated in the original post, but even if there wasn't 'rape is still rape', and the victim of this rape is a factor which may end up deleting both the rapist and the pregnancy from the equation.
What killed off the human population, are there any way for other humans to have survived, will these two be able to continue to survive, is the detritus of this human eradication something that an infant could survive, does the only woman left on earth know any of this?
If someone was to ask me a hypothetical question, I don't think I'd answer.

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mtimber wrote:
Just to point out to those that keep responding to me, I can now be engaged on this thread:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
Follow you?

Didn't you see the sign? We are atheist, following is not what we do, it goes against our nature. But you do know where the door is, right? Tata.

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