Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10985 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
Now here is the question you won't be able to answer: Was it wrong for that person in that society to rape.
Wrong for what? You need to state a purpose. If your purpose is to maximize satisfaction in a community, then yes, it is wrong.
mtimber wrote:
If so why?
Because rape doesn't serve that purpose, and shouldn't be tolerated.

You seem to consider these posers. This stuff isn't as difficult for me as it seems to be for you. But I suspect that is because of what is likely our different upbringings, our differing philosophies, and our different life paths since then. Rational ethics is really not that hard, but you have to learn how to do it. I don't see where a theist would have the opportunity to learn, given your metaphysics.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#10986 Jan 22, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you mean by absolute? Do they transcend your god? If not, they're arbitrary, aren't they - the whim of a god?
Is it your hope that if you can append the qualifier "absolute" onto something, that it will then point to your god? It can't.
The most you can do with these types of arguments - the axiological argument, the ontological argument, etc.- is suggest the existence of "a god," not your god.
What if we cut to the chase and I stipulate to a god. OK. There was a creator god. I say that it's a god that has never communicated with us and has no demands of us. It does not ask to be worshiped or prayed at.
With such an understanding, my life would continue as before - no bibles, not praying, no worshiping, no churches, no priests, no tithing, etc.
And if that were the case - that there is a god that we don't know - America needs to divest itself of all of the Jesus stuff, such as the scapegoating and persecuting of atheists and gays that Jesus seems to require. The real god might not approve.
Furthermore, the real god hasn't given you permission to your currency as religious tracts, or to call it "God," so I'd suggest that you remove that word from the money. And the Pledge. And the courthouse walls.
Are you good with that, or do you need this god to be Jehovah-Jesus? If so, perhaps you should skip all of this "absolute laws of logic" stuff and present your argument that that god must be Jehovah-Jesus. How are you planning to do that?
I am a theist, but do no worshipping, have no church, and no priest.

Your argument is a straw man.

And whether any god gave permission for the words on currency is entirely irrelevant. The people decided it. It's the people's right. They don't need your permission, and you don't have to like it.

I suspect you accepted your share of the green paper "religious tracts" anyway, and would have taken more if you could get it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10987 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
As an atheist is merely someone who denies the knowledge of God, that has been revealed to him, then an atheist does not in reality exist beyond the realm of lies in their own mind.
What are you hoping to accomplish here? A little entertainment for yourself?

If your purpose is more than that, you are wasting your time. You are not going to flip a mature rational skeptic at this stage of his or her intellectual and moral development. You have nothing to offer.

FYI, we define ourselves, not our ideological enemies.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10988 Jan 22, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
<quoted text>
"All newborns, toddlers and most children are atheist"
.....rather desperate generalization :-)
You
have
scientific
data
to
back
this ?
It's self-evidently true. Whoever is not a theist is an atheist. The youngest theists are children, not infants or toddlers. They are thus atheists by default, just as all that is not symmetric is asymetric by default, and life arising by means other than by biogenesis arises by abiogenesis.

Easy peasy!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10989 Jan 22, 2013
jacktheladat1 wrote:
<quoted text>As an Atheist, I believe that a lost being akin to youself simply could not be so thick/dense & absolutely full of BS without practicing 24/7 over a life-time. You would be well advised to research the definition of the word "Atheist" prior to insulting the intelligence of an unborn gnat with your current assumption of the word. I'm a DEVOUT Atheist, and DO NOT harbour any lies in my mind re the none existence of ANY deity what-so-ever. I abhor the fact that you have the right to suggest I do. IF there is ANYTHING in your scrotum, you would apologize in your very next post. That though, would be your first post with any amount of thinking in it.
That's a healthy reaction.

It's time to emphatically reject the theist dehumanization and marginalization of unbelievers. I don't think that we should sit for such insolence, either. Your style is different from mine, but your attitude resonates.

Do you know about Pat Condell? He's on widely available on YouTube. Check this out, excerpted from
I'll bet you like it :

[1] "If you criticize religion, every so often someone will say to you quite disapprovingly "You may not have faith in God, but you could show a bit more respect for those people who do." And you might find yourself thinking: Actually, maybe they're right. It wouldn't hurt to show a bit more respect. After all, nobody likes to be told point blank that their religion is a crock of delusional garbage and a force for evil in the world, that what they call faith is merely fear dressed up as virtue, and that their puerile beliefs are a straitjacket on the whole of humanity. That's bound to put anybody's nose out of joint.

"So yes, maybe I could show a bit more respect. The only fly in the ointment is I don't actually feel any respect. I have tried, I really have, and I feel just terrible about it, but it just isn't there. I suppose I could lie to myself and pretend for the sake of people's feelings, because we all know how delicate and tender they can be these days, but the bald truth is I don't actually care about their feelings, at all, not even slightly. And of course I realize that should weigh heavily on my conscience, but luckily my conscience knows when it's being bullied and manipulated so it doesn't care either.

"My conscience knows that there's no earthly reason for anybody on this planet to respect religion in any way. Indeed, purely on the evidence religion itself provides in such regular abundance, there's every reason to actively disrespect it to the point of outright abuse. And quite frankly, the fact that religion gets so little abuse compared to what it really deserves, I can only attribute to the unbelievable tolerance, restraint, and plain good manners of atheists and secularists everywhere.

"So, if you are a religious person, and if you're thinking of demanding more respect for your beliefs, please try to bear in mind that you and your religion are already getting way more respect than you’ve have ever deserved. Your faith is a joke. Your god is a joke. He's so absurd he's an embarrassment even to people who don't believe in him. And he, and you, still have it all to prove."

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And https://www.youtube.com/watch...

[2] "I give your religion as much respect as your religion gives me. There’s nothing complicated about it, and I have every right to insult a religion that goes out of its way to insult, to judge, and to condemn me as an inadequate human being, which your religion does with self righteous gusto. When it comes to insults your religion started this, not me. If your religion kept its big mouth shut so would I. But given that it doesn’t, and given the enormous harm that your religion has done in this world. I’d say that not only do I have a right, but a duty to insult it, as does every rationale thinking person on this planet.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10990 Jan 22, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Lincoln wrote:
Funny using topix as a source.:---)
You're kidding me with this, right? You asked for data that had just provided in an earlier post. I linked you to that.

My sources there were PEW and ARIS, as I indicated. You would have had to click on the provided link to see that, assuming that you had not just seen it a few minutes earlier while browsing through posts in sequence.

You asked for the data, which I spoon fed you,and which it seems you still missed. You make it difficult to educate you.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10991 Jan 22, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
President Obama was Very inclusive yesterday. Did he mention atheists?
I don't know. I missed it.

How did it go? Was he inaugurated?

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#10992 Jan 22, 2013
Kosovogirl wrote:
<quoted text>
Erm it's obvious by this site... Some athiests call people who believe in god "stupid" that's I'd a way of forcing them to not believe.
LOL! Seriously?? If calling someone 'stupid' would be enough to get them to give up their beliefs, I'd say those beliefs didn't have that big of a hold on them in the first place. BTW... pointing out the hypocrisy of the overly religious isn't "forcing" them to do anything other than being an attempt to make them see their hypocrisy!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10993 Jan 22, 2013
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
William Tyndale wrote:
you are projecting on to me something that isn't there.
Sorry. It's the nature of the medium.
William Tyndale wrote:
But the word "awe" applies to the mystical experience had by scientists, philosophers, and ordinary people. If it is a valid mystical experience it is consistent with the definition of mysticism being conscious awareness of the reality of what is without the blinders of religion.

This is something that can not be labeled in linear language. The mystical experience is a form of experiential knowledge and perhaps the only word that comes close to expressing it is "awe". True mysticism has nothing to do with the occult and is simply an expanded awareness of what is.
I'm good with that.
William Tyndale wrote:
The word "god" is problematic. But the consciousness that is the foundation of all that exists is real whatever you chose to call it. To most people the only word that seems to fit is "god".
Almost any word would fit. How about Ugaboo-boo-ugga, since it doesn't carry all of the baggage of the word "god"?
William Tyndale wrote:
And in discussing spirituality the best we can do is to point out what it isn't.
Disagree. I believe that I made several positive statements about spirituality. As I recall, so did you.
William Tyndale wrote:
True spirituality can not be expressed in any linear language. But I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on spirituallity.
I just gave the jist of them to you. Did you look at the links I just gave you? They were
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR... and http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

Here's a third: http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

And a fourth: http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TOCO8TE...

I don't think that I have much more to say about it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10994 Jan 22, 2013
[QUOTE who="Kosovogirl"
If a person wishes to believe in god let them believe, if they don't then don't bother them.[/QUOTE]

OK.

Do you mind if we get your church out of our lives?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10995 Jan 22, 2013
Kosovogirl wrote:
<quoted text>
Erm it's obvious by this site... Some athiests call people who believe in god "stupid" that's I'd a way of forcing them to not believe.
If I thought that that would work, I'd do it more.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10997 Jan 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
He didn't say anything about empathy for a church. He said empathy for "non-atheists". Your bigotry carried you away again.
Carried away? I liked my answer.

Bigotry? Maybe you think that I should have a different attitude about Christianity and the Christian church. What would you suggest that would be more accurate or more fair? Praise it?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10998 Jan 22, 2013
Just Think wrote:
<quoted text>
Sheer awesomeness!
Why thank you!
Lincoln

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#10999 Jan 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
All of America's problems are caused by the rise of liberalism. It began with Woodrow Wilson.
All economic recessions have been caused by liberal governance. Every single one.
...and America has no gun problems, except for needing more people with guns. Liberals want more criminals to have guns. Law-abiding citizens should arm themselves to shift the balance of power more heavily toward the peaceful people.
But that's not a gun problem. The guns work pretty well, generally. Usually, a problem-gun gets discarded.
It began with Woodrow Wilson..:-)

Thomas Jefferson, 1776, Declaration of Independence.
Lincoln

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#11000 Jan 22, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
It's self-evidently true. Whoever is not a theist is an atheist.
funny :-)

illogical
Lincoln

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#11001 Jan 22, 2013
Seems full of himself?:-)
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>

What are you hoping to accomplish here?

A little entertainment for yourself?
If your purpose is more than that, you are wasting your time. You are not going to flip a mature rational skeptic at this stage of his or her intellectual and moral development. You have nothing to offer.
FYI, we define ourselves, not our ideological enemies.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#11002 Jan 22, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
I am a theist, but do no worshipping, have no church, and no priest. Your argument is a straw man.
My argument is a straw man because you say that it doesn't apply to you? You are not the universe. You're not even the earth.

Plus, your god is not his god. I believe that his god is Jesus. Your god is Ol' Wispy Miasma, the featureless god, as I recall.
Buck Crick wrote:
And whether any god gave permission for the words on currency is entirely irrelevant. The people decided it. It's the people's right. They don't need your permission, and you don't have to like it.
They might be angering Ugaboo-boo-Ugga. That's everybody's business.
Buck Crick wrote:
I suspect you accepted your share of the green paper "religious tracts" anyway, and would have taken more if you could get it.
I probably got your share, too.

Nothing ever changes with you, does it? It's always a pissing match. No problem.

Were they able to save the jaw?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#11003 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
What if committing rape gives people pleasure in the society?
What then?
If pleasure is the deciding factor, as you have stated.
No, pleasure is one of the factors, everyone makes their own morals, choosing a cookie cutter moral system does not mean you did not make those choices either, it just means you liked the morals of another person.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11004 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
And the opening statement proves the point.
That your religion is one of hate, abuse and intolerance?

I agree-- Genuine Christianity™ is a hate cult. Thanks for agreeing!
mtimber wrote:
The reason you reject the gospel is because it demands more than you are willing to give up.
Correct: I believe women should be treated equally as with men. In direct contrast to your gospels. That's too high a price: integrity.

Correct: I believe children should never be abused at the hands of your priests, your preachers-- but your god remains silent as always every single time this happens. That's too high a price too.

Correct: I believe gay people should be permitted to marry with full, equal rights that straight couples have UNDER THE LAW. Under the rules of your hate-cult? Who cares? Your cult is one of hate.
mtimber wrote:
Your sins in other words...
I have NEVER sinned in the LEGAL definition of the word (deliberately broken the law).

Your religious hate-cult's rules do not apply to me, bigot.
mtimber wrote:
To justify that, you try to attribute Gods character as immoral, using His standards of absolute morality, which you cannot account for as an atheist, to try to justify your own sin.
Your god IS an immoral monster: your god MURDERS THE INNOCENT, just to "punish" the guilty!

That is a sin WITHOUT EQUAL. Your god is a monster.
mtimber wrote:
But you know of God, as He has revealed Himself to you.
Lie-- your god has never "revealed" himself to ANYONE. Not me.

AND NOT YOU-- especially not YOU.
mtimber wrote:
You are just in denial.
Nope-- I've never been to Egypt.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11005 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
<quoted text>
And you atheists need to evolve some manners...
Oh wait, as an atheist you are not required to have manners as morality is just a subjective choice.
Carry on then...
Pot? Meet kettle.

You have deliberately tried to slander ME, by accusing me of this "sin".

And you have the GALL to claim "good manners"?

Wow... just... wow. Your hypocrisy is .. breathtaking.

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