Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 Read more: Psychology Today 23,567

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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#10914 Jan 22, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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No, we appeal to the empathy that is central to social species like ours. The progress of morality is the progress of empathy towards those who religion and other doctrines say are subhuman.
So is rape morally wrong in a society that practices rape?

I notice your empathy to non atheists is lacking, are you waiting for that to evolve?:-)

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#10915 Jan 22, 2013
McNeil wrote:
Why shouldn't there be a God is my question? What's there to look forward to after you die? Why would you fight so hard to to prove that a person does not exist, when that same person is willing to offer you salvation? Doest make sense..
It does if you let the Bible explain it.

Man has been in rebellion since Eve's sin in the Garden of Eden.

Since that time, mankind has been trying to suppress the knowledge of God.

Usually by lying to themselves and convincing themselves the lie is true.

They got so successful that at one point, God flooded the earth.

They are also getting to the same point again, which is a sign that Jesus Second Coming is about here.

As in the days of Noah etc...

So it all makes perfect sense.

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#10916 Jan 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Because the price you extract is too high. Your religion is one of hate, oppression and abuse.
It does not matter which of the supernatural woo you are victimized by currently-- they all abuse their followers.
Finally? I must ask... "salvation"... from ... what? Death is death--there is nothing beyond it as far as you (or anyone) can prove.
That's it. Finis.
So, no-- your mewlings here make no sense in the least.
And the opening statement proves the point.

The reason you reject the gospel is because it demands more than you are willing to give up.

Your sins in other words...

To justify that, you try to attribute Gods character as immoral, using His standards of absolute morality, which you cannot account for as an atheist, to try to justify your own sin.

But you know of God, as He has revealed Himself to you.

You are just in denial.

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#10917 Jan 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You should be more concerned with living a full life so you don't care if there is a second one. Buying snake oil is a sign of gullibility, not one of intelligence, and you bought the snake oil.
Why should he be concerned?

According to your worldview, he is just a distant relation to a rock.

So I don't understand why you would attribute any purpose to his life?

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#10918 Jan 22, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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It would be easier to herd cats than to have a coherant conversation with you. When you get through playing with rocks try learning about bigger and better things.
Ignorance can be alleviated by education "but you can't fix stupid".
Do you have a rational response to offer to the points in hand, or are you hoping that I will be blinded by your arbitrary zeal and leave the discussion because of it?

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#10919 Jan 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Can you show where The bible says incest is forbidden? No this happens often in the bible.
How about slavery being forbidden? No in fact Pail demanded a run away slave return to his Christian slave master.
How about sex with children? No in fact children are often raped as spoils of war and slaves in the bible.
How about discriminating against women? No and lol at even trying!
Yet secular morality today an for some time now has forbidden these heinous acts. Your retarded god's morality in that pitiful myth falls short.
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Some interesting claims you make here.

Lets pick one of these and see how you justify it, logically and rationally.

Can you please point out where God commanded people to have sex with children?

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#10920 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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And the opening statement proves the point.
The reason you reject the gospel is because it demands more than you are willing to give up.
I'd guess that like me, he's not willing to give up logic and reason in order to persue fantasy as fact.

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#10921 Jan 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
For this to be logical first you must demonstrate there is a god. Second that it is a logical moral god. Third this desperation.
Since you can't possibly get past the first item you are the illogical poster.
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The evidence for God is self attesting.

If He did not exist, you would not be able to account for reason, you would not be able to account for morality and would not be able to account for scientific processes.
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#10922 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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The evidence for God is self attesting.
If He did not exist, you would not be able to account for reason, you would not be able to account for morality and would not be able to account for scientific processes.
You feel this is logical?

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#10924 Jan 22, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Sorry, but I don't see a logical argument there. I don't see any kind of argument. These are merely unsupported claims. You haven't established that atheists are desperate, that we deny any law, that our position is logically absurd, or that our worldviews preclude engaging in logical discussion. You have merely claimed these things. You haven't even defined them.
In fact, this reply defeats your claim. This is a well reasoned rebuttal.
Were you aware that atheism is not a worldview?
Were you aware that a perfect god that makes mistakes is logically impossible? Such a thing would violate the law of noncontradiction.
What is "God"? Is that Jehovah-Jesus to you? That god is impossible for many reasons, including the one just given. Of course I deny it. It would be unreasonable to do otherwise.
Reason is on the side of the rational skeptics, not faith based thinkers. Faith itself, which is a repudiation of reason, is a logical error.
“Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt.”- Mike Huben
How do you account for logic in an atheistic universe?

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#10925 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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The evidence for God is self attesting.
If He did not exist, you would not be able to account for reason, you would not be able to account for morality and would not be able to account for scientific processes.
You're not very good at this... but then very few of the fundamentally religious that post here are

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#10926 Jan 22, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Atheists are people who do not believe in deities after that it varies person to person.
You Christholes need to stop telling us what we think or believe and start asking us. Gasp! What a concept!
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And you atheists need to evolve some manners...

Oh wait, as an atheist you are not required to have manners as morality is just a subjective choice.

Carry on then...

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#10927 Jan 22, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>I'd guess that like me, he's not willing to give up logic and reason in order to persue fantasy as fact.
Yes, he will be just like you and any other atheist.

Unable to account for the existance of the laws of logic.

But insisting that you own them...

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#10928 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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It does if you let the Bible explain it.
Man has been in rebellion since Eve's sin in the Garden of Eden.
Since that time, mankind has been trying to suppress the knowledge of God.
Usually by lying to themselves and convincing themselves the lie is true.
They got so successful that at one point, God flooded the earth.
They are also getting to the same point again, which is a sign that Jesus Second Coming is about here.
As in the days of Noah etc...
So it all makes perfect sense.
That is what they all say, right up to the moment their god demands they eat their children. "Makes perfect sense".
So are you the "linger and savor" or the "gulp and get it over with" type of cannibal?

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#10929 Jan 22, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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You feel this is logical?
Absolutely.

A circular argument is not necessarily an invalid argument, if everything outside of the circle confirms the circle...

Every epistemology, at its base, has a circular absolute standard.

That includes atheistic epistemologies.

But that has to be then tested by all information outside that circle.

If it can pass that test, then it is logically valid.

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#10930 Jan 22, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>You're not very good at this... but then very few of the fundamentally religious that post here are
I supsect you do not understand the argument and do not realise that a self attesting argument is valid only if it accounts for everything.

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#10931 Jan 22, 2013
William Tyndale wrote:
Great scientists, great philosophers, great mystics, all have in common a deep respect, a deep sense of awe for the mystery of what is. Theists try to describe the indescribable. Atheists try to deny it.
Nonsense.

I'm an atheist, and those are the very words I use. In fact, to the sense of mystery and awe I add the sense of connection and gratitude. From last week :

"If you'd like to discuss spirituality, I'd be glad to do so. For starters, it has nothing to do with spirits or ghosts. It is my opinion that spirituality eludes those of you with a hostility to science, "the world," and even your own flesh. Spirituality is about connectedness to your world. It is a psychological experience that combines a sense of mystery, awe and gratitude.

"If you have those feelings, you have touched onto your spiritual faculty. But if you lack the sense of connection to your universe, your experience is inauthentic. You see yourself as an alien in this world, a ghost that belongs elsewhere. If your attention is diverted to nonexistent realms, and to the time after your demise, you are the opposite of spiritual."
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

If you're interested,here is the follow-up to that post:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...

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#10932 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Yes, he will be just like you and any other atheist.
Unable to account for the existance of the laws of logic.
But insisting that you own them...
No one owns the "laws of logic"... I just don't refuse to use them

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#10933 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I supsect you do not understand the argument and do not realise that a self attesting argument is valid only if it accounts for everything.
Your argument doesn't account for anything. You simply attribute everything to your 'god' the same way every other religion, past and present, attribute everything tho their 'gods'.

"GOD"... the answer for everything and the explanation of nonhing

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#10934 Jan 22, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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And the opening statement proves the point.
The reason you reject the gospel is because it demands more than you are willing to give up.
Your sins in other words...
To justify that, you try to attribute Gods character as immoral, using His standards of absolute morality, which you cannot account for as an atheist, to try to justify your own sin.
But you know of God, as He has revealed Himself to you.
You are just in denial.
Thursdays are my favorite days, and have been since I was a child.

when When my first child was born on a Thursday, it just made me happy, the second child was born on a Thursday, it was wonderful, but then I found a calendar from my birth year. I too was born on Thursday, as was my third child, and ten years later my last child was born on Thursday too. I have no choice but to consider this a revelation from Thor, that proves him to be the true god. I am no longer in denial.

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