Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10842 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
So a rock did do it...:-) And if a rock did it, then morality does not exist.
This is why we don't let the faithful think for us.

BEDEVERE: And what do you burn apart from witches?

VILLAGER 1: More witches!

VILLAGER 3: Shh!

VILLAGER 2: Wood!

BEDEVERE: So, why do witches burn?

[pause]

VILLAGER 3: B--...'cause they're made of... wood?

BEDEVERE: Good! Heh heh.

CROWD: Oh yeah. Oh.

BEDEVERE: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?

VILLAGER 1: Build a bridge out of her.

BEDEVERE: Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?

VILLAGER 1: Oh, yeah.

RANDOM: Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...

BEDEVERE: Does wood sink in water?

VILLAGER 1: No. No.

VILLAGER 2: No, it floats! It floats!

VILLAGER 1: Throw her into the pond!

CROWD: The pond! Throw her into the pond!

BEDEVERE: What also floats in water?

VILLAGER 1: Bread!

VILLAGER 2: Apples!

VILLAGER 3: Uh, very small rocks!

VILLAGER 1: Cider!

VILLAGER 2: Uh, gra-- gravy!

VILLAGER 1: Cherries!

VILLAGER 2: Mud!

VILLAGER 3: Churches! Churches!

VILLAGER 2: Lead! Lead!

ARTHUR: A duck!

CROWD: Oooh.

BEDEVERE: Exactly. So, logically...

VILLAGER 1: If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.

BEDEVERE: And therefore?

VILLAGER 2: A witch!

VILLAGER 1: A witch!

CROWD: A witch! A witch!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10843 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
I cannot argue for "religion". I am arguing for the Creator God as revealed through the specific persona and life of Jesus Christ.
That is religion. When you're talking about a god - a supernatural being - as if it's real, that's religion.

Do you worship it? That's religion.

Do you pray to it? That's religion.

Do you believe that it transcends and created the universe? That's also religion.
mtimber wrote:
And the position of Christianity, is that it is absolute in truth because it proceeds from an absolute God.
That's religion, too.

There are various qualities that allow you to identify when something is religion, sports, the movies, government, music, cuisine - whatever the topic.

For example, if it's about enacting laws, it's government. If it involves various pitches sounded simultaneously and varying over time chosen for their aesthetic value, it's music. If it's about what happened in the past, it's history.

And if it's about gods, it's religion.

This is becoming an increasingly commonly seen meme: "I'm spiritual, not religious." Apparently the word "religion" has been tarnished if so many of you want to distance yourself from it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10844 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
If atheism is "amoral", then how can you argue as an atheist, that something else is immoral?
Atheism isn't an ethical system, so I'm not arguing as an atheist. I'm also a secular humanist, which is an ethical system.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#10845 Jan 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey there, Terry! Yes, quite well. You too, I hope.
Yes! Compared to what I went through for the past year or so, I'm doing quite well also!

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10846 Jan 21, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Rather Christian inauguration of President Obama today. "..so help me God"
Sickening.

What if he said, "So help me Smurfs"? The way that would make you feel is how I feel about a grown man in a position of responsibility giving lip service to a ghost.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10847 Jan 21, 2013
TerryL wrote:
Yes! Compared to what I went through for the past year or so, I'm doing quite well also!
Sorry and glad - about bad then better.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#10848 Jan 21, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Sorry and glad - about bad then better.
LOL! Thanks!
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10849 Jan 21, 2013
Wrong. You didn't make one.
mtimber wrote:
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You did not understand the point...
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10850 Jan 21, 2013
And then god magicked the Federal debt away...
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Sickening.
What if he said, "So help me Smurfs"? The way that would make you feel is how I feel about a grown man in a position of responsibility giving lip service to a ghost.

Since: Jan 13

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#10852 Jan 21, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
You worship that retarded god? Couldn't you at least worship a god smart enough to know that bringing a whip into a house of worship is a bad idea?
Seriously you believe that retarded myth?
Zombie Christ lol!
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Do you have anything of an intellectual nature to bring to the discussion?

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#10853 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Wrong. You didn't make one.
<quoted text>
Yes I did, you obviously did not grasp it.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10854 Jan 21, 2013
Bollocks.
mtimber wrote:
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Yes I did, you obviously did not grasp it.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#10855 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Do you have anything of an intellectual nature to bring to the discussion?
Do you? I haven't seen anything that you've posted on the last couple of pages that could be considered "intellectual"

Since: Nov 11

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#10856 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Do you have anything of an intellectual nature to bring to the discussion?
Do you?

Since: Jan 13

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#10857 Jan 21, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Bollocks.
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Spoken like a true atheist...

Since: Jan 13

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#10858 Jan 21, 2013
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Do you? I haven't seen anything that you've posted on the last couple of pages that could be considered "intellectual"
I have been presenting logical arguments like the argument:

That the atheist in their desperation to deny God, ends up having to deny all the transcendent laws that govern the universe, in particular those relating to morality and logic.

So much so that they are reduced to logical absurdity, clearly showing their worldview has some major issues that precludes them even engaging in logical discussions...

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#10859 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So a rock did do it...:-)
And if a rock did it, then morality does not exist.
Because without absolute morality, you cannot define any morality...
BS. Morality is a function of society. If there were only one person on earth, morality would be irrelevant. The fact that we are a social species dictates that we will live together. There are better and worse ways to live together (as determined by the happiness of the people involved, the art and science produced, etc). Morality is simple the optimal way of living together.

I would not expect a species from another planet to have the same morality as we do simply because their biology would be different: the things that make them happy and that are important for their societies because of their biology will be different. So our morality is certainly NOT absolute: it is a local thing restricted to humans.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#10860 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I have been presenting logical arguments like the argument:
That the atheist in their desperation to deny God, ends up having to deny all the transcendent laws that govern the universe, in particular those relating to morality and logic.
On the contrary, it is the religious nuts that deny the basic logic of requiring evidence before belief. It is the religious that deny that morality is primarily about making humans happy and fulfilled in their lives. It is the religious that think that morality has to be a universal absolute (as opposed to being about humans and their happiness) to have relevance and meaning.
So much so that they are reduced to logical absurdity, clearly showing their worldview has some major issues that precludes them even engaging in logical discussions...
Funny, that is exactly my opinion about many believers in deities.

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#10861 Jan 21, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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BS. Morality is a function of society. If there were only one person on earth, morality would be irrelevant. The fact that we are a social species dictates that we will live together. There are better and worse ways to live together (as determined by the happiness of the people involved, the art and science produced, etc). Morality is simple the optimal way of living together.
I would not expect a species from another planet to have the same morality as we do simply because their biology would be different: the things that make them happy and that are important for their societies because of their biology will be different. So our morality is certainly NOT absolute: it is a local thing restricted to humans.
If morality is a function of biology and one persons biology urges them to rape, your argument grants them that right...

Do you realise that?

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#10862 Jan 21, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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On the contrary, it is the religious nuts that deny the basic logic of requiring evidence before belief. It is the religious that deny that morality is primarily about making humans happy and fulfilled in their lives. It is the religious that think that morality has to be a universal absolute (as opposed to being about humans and their happiness) to have relevance and meaning.
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Funny, that is exactly my opinion about many believers in deities.
Ah...

You see, this is where you misunderstand how a persons epistemology is constructed...

Let me show you how this works.

You are an atheist.

You believe that life came from non-life.

That rocks evolved into living creatures.

Did you observe that?

No.

You have no empirical data to confirm that.

So upon what basis would you defend that presupposition?

Everyones ultimate standard has to be assumed at some point, everyone has many presuppositions that they assume.

Then from there an examination of that standard should take place.

This is of course absolutely true, unless you were there when the rocks decided to turn into life?

Then of course you would have empirical data to match your witnessing the event of abiogenesis.

Short of that, you assumed, or presupposed that happened and then argued from there...

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