Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

[It aint necessarily so]

digitaldan wrote:

Christianity’s worst and most infamous bloodbath, the Spanish Inquisition.

You say that like it's no big deal. It's a perfect illustration that a Christian upbringing is no impediment to torture. Likewise with the witch burnings at Salem, and the Nazi holocaust. These all occurred in countries that were populated almost exclusively by Christians.

Why? Two reasons.

First, Christians are taught that whatever their god says,does or commands is moral. If you can convince a Christian that his god commands him to enucleate the eyes of puppies with a fork, they'll do it and call it perfect love.

Second, Christians are desensitized by a bible that catalogs its god's genocides and other atrocities one after another, chapter after chapter. They are taught that suffering is their god's will, that man is weak and dependent on the god, and that their god will change things if it wants to, so they accept almost anything.

This combinations of ideas has been devastating throughout history. Because of that attitude, if you were a Jew in Nazi Germany, and the only thing standing between you and the gas chambers was the quality of Christian morality and character, you didn't have much chance. If you were waiting for these tens of millions of church trained Christians to do what Jesus taught and stand up and say, "This is wrong! Stop, Herr Hitler!" you were a dead Jew.

Have you ever heard or read, "Kill them all and let God sort them out"? Where do you suppose that idea came from?

Humanism has no such failures.

[It aint necessarily so]

Thinking wrote:

muslim sex dolls are great for asthmatics.
They blow themselves up.
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LOL.

I've got a good sex doll cultural reference for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch... is a one minute excerpt from the HBO series "Six Feet Under," which was about an American family that ran a funeral home. Every episode of this show began with a death that usually connected to the episode, and this is the opening death scene from one episode.

Let me set this up for you: We see a truck loaded with helium filled sex dolls being delivered by a couple of teenage boys to the venue of a porn industry awards banquet scheduled for later that night.

Unfortunately, the boys aren't paying attention to the road, and have to slam on their brakes, releasing all of the blowup dolls from the truck into the air.

A block or two away is a priggish Christian woman listening to Christian radio while driving her car, which has an "I break for the rapture" bumper sticker on it. She sees the helium dolls rising, mistakes it for the rapture, and hilarity ensues.

[It aint necessarily so]

Thinking wrote:

Funny, we used to tell that joke about the Tyson vs Lewis fight.
"I don't know which boxer is which, but that's definitely Don King in the middle!"

It's a great joke.

I think my version needs updating, though. Pitt and Cruise might be a little passé in 2013.

[TerryL]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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You say that like it's no big deal. It's a perfect illustration that a Christian upbringing is no impediment to torture. Likewise with the witch burnings at Salem, and the Nazi holocaust. These all occurred in countries that were populated almost exclusively by Christians.
Why? Two reasons.
First, Christians are taught that whatever their god says,does or commands is moral. If you can convince a Christian that his god commands him to enucleate the eyes of puppies with a fork, they'll do it and call it perfect love.
Second, Christians are desensitized by a bible that catalogs its god's genocides and other atrocities one after another, chapter after chapter. They are taught that suffering is their god's will, that man is weak and dependent on the god, and that their god will change things if it wants to, so they accept almost anything.
This combinations of ideas has been devastating throughout history. Because of that attitude, if you were a Jew in Nazi Germany, and the only thing standing between you and the gas chambers was the quality of Christian morality and character, you didn't have much chance. If you were waiting for these tens of millions of church trained Christians to do what Jesus taught and stand up and say, "This is wrong! Stop, Herr Hitler!" you were a dead Jew.
Have you ever heard or read, "Kill them all and let God sort them out"? Where do you suppose that idea came from?
Humanism has no such failures.

Hello, Aint! I trust you are well. I see you're still using logic and reason against the illogical and unreasonable

[Thinking]

Poor Dorothy... hope they didn't fill her with helium.

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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LOL.
I've got a good sex doll cultural reference for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch... is a one minute excerpt from the HBO series "Six Feet Under," which was about an American family that ran a funeral home. Every episode of this show began with a death that usually connected to the episode, and this is the opening death scene from one episode.
Let me set this up for you: We see a truck loaded with helium filled sex dolls being delivered by a couple of teenage boys to the venue of a porn industry awards banquet scheduled for later that night.
Unfortunately, the boys aren't paying attention to the road, and have to slam on their brakes, releasing all of the blowup dolls from the truck into the air.
A block or two away is a priggish Christian woman listening to Christian radio while driving her car, which has an "I break for the rapture" bumper sticker on it. She sees the helium dolls rising, mistakes it for the rapture, and hilarity ensues.

[mtimber]

polymath257 wrote:

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No. Abiogenesis is how the *first* life got started. The question is how the complexity of the chemical reactions initially developed. You were talking about whether non-living things 'create' living things. The answer to *that* question is a definite *yes*.

So a rock did do it...:-)

And if a rock did it, then morality does not exist.

Because without absolute morality, you cannot define any morality...

[mtimber]

polymath257 wrote:

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No, religious truths *claim* to be absolute. But they are not. In fact, they are mostly wrong of meaningless.
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Yes, science has the ability to modify its beliefs to repair its mistakes. Religions, however, simply claim that their new ways have always been done. Science is honest and religion is dishonest.

I cannot argue for "religion".

I am arguing for the Creator God as revealed through the specific persona and life of Jesus Christ.

And the position of Christianity, is that it is absolute in truth because it proceeds from an absolute God.

But you would need to qualify what you mean when you say "science"?

Are you talking about empirical deductive observations forming what we term "science"?

[mtimber]

Henry wrote:

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Of course I am sure about that! It is science about abiogenesis that is sure!

This is a fallacy of reification.

Science does not have a personal goal in this or care.

And abiogenesis is not a person either...

So it cannot hold an opinion.

[mtimber]

Henry wrote:

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The more people are educated,the more people become atheists!

The problem with much of modern secular education is that it teaches people what to think and not how to think...

[mtimber]

It aint necessarily so wrote:

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Correct.
"Amoral vs. immoral- Immoral things are bad, and amoral things are either neutral from a moral perspective or simply removed from moral considerations." http://grammarist.com/usage/amoral-immoral/
Christianity is immoral.
Your religion, which is grounded in a fraud, fosters fear, guilt, shame, division and strife. It teaches man to fear and hate his world, and to despise his own flesh. It teaches him to crawl on his knees begging for forgiveness for being human, and to see decay everywhere he looks.

If atheism is "amoral", then how can you argue as an atheist, that something else is immoral?

[Henry]

rio wrote:

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I am surprised that you don't know that prior to Hitler (up to 1933), Germany was a democracy.
So once Hitler and his party had been defeated, Germany was able to return to its democratic institutions. They were never imposed by the allies.
In Japan, the US were quite prudent in leaving the Emperor Hiro-Hito in place as head of state, instead of judging him as war criminal. The reforms were very superficial and not imposed. Japan always had a liberal audience that came to the fore when the warlords were tried and executed. Japan was allowed to trade military power against economic power, and gain self esteem that way.

The US rearmed Germany again against the UdSSR. Most of the nazis stayed in its positions, in Japan too!

[Henry]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Why do Muslims blow themselves up to kill non Muslims?
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German imkperialism is again on its march!

[Henry]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Why do Muslims blow themselves up to kill non Muslims?
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In 1945 The pope organised the socalled rat line in order to bring nazis to South America with the knowledge of the US!

[Henry]

Lincoln wrote:

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Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot all atheists murders.
Crimes of atheist leaders plagued the 20th century.
Many Scientists are left handed

Harry Truman ordered the atom bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and committed war crimes!

[Lincoln]

Henry wrote:

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Harry Truman ordered the atom bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and committed war crimes!

Germany bombed Poland 1 Sept '39 and Germany was bombed to dust by the RAF and 8th Air Force.

[Henry]

mtimber wrote:

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I cannot argue for "religion".
I am arguing for the Creator God as revealed through the specific persona and life of Jesus Christ.
And the position of Christianity, is that it is absolute in truth because it proceeds from an absolute God.
But you would need to qualify what you mean when you say "science"?
Are you talking about empirical deductive observations forming what we term "science"?

The "position of Christianity" is absolutely false, since there is not the faintest idea of a god. Of thausends of gods in human history there was not one god real! Mostly uneducated peoples are religious.

[Lincoln]

Henry wrote:

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The "position of Christianity" is absolutely false, since there is not the faintest idea of a God.

Rather Christian inauguration of President Obama today.

"..so help me God"

[Thinking]

Kitchens are amoral. Give up your kitchen.
Rooves are amoral. Give up your roof.
Heating is amoral. Give up your heating.
The internet is amoral. Give up your web access.

mtimber wrote:

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If atheism is "amoral", then how can you argue as an atheist, that something else is immoral?

[It aint necessarily so]

TerryL wrote:

<quoted text>Hello, Aint! I trust you are well. I see you're still using logic and reason against the illogical and unreasonable

Hey there, Terry! Yes, quite well. You too, I hope.

[mtimber]

Henry wrote:

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The "position of Christianity" is absolutely false, since there is not the faintest idea of a god. Of thausends of gods in human history there was not one god real! Mostly uneducated peoples are religious.

Did you have a rational argument to make Henry?

All is see here is your opinion.

And that is known as an arbitrary argument and is by its own nature self refuting...