Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

[BBSting]

Givemeliberty wrote:

Strawman argument as expected. Ignored and rightly so.
Can you give is any reasons as to why your god is anything more than a delusion? Wrathbone claims that he himself is a god and creator of the universe, do you believe him? Do you worship him?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!
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Do you really think that sounding like a broken record is going to drown out your opponents answers? You're like a kid who sticks his fingers in his ears and repeats the same shrill nonsense incessantly.

[MUQ]

Adam wrote:

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MUQ, noticed in the news Algerian Islamic terrorists have kidnapped and killed some Western oil workers. I realise the justification is in retaliation for a war being fought in Mail. But this is obviously motivated by fundamentalist islam. What do you think of kidnap, holding people for ransom, and murder of innocent people. Do you think they will be rewarded with 72 virgins per muslim?

"Best way" to not answer and run away from any debate / discussion is to start some thing which has no relation with the topic under discussion and I have found most people "expert" on this trick!!

They would change the subject, faster that Politicians change their stance on any issue!!

[MUQ]

Adam wrote:

1.

have had a read of your book. Obviously a lot of work has gone into it. I in small part agree, that the Quran is better written than the Bible. This is because as a re-write of biblical stories, the human author(s) of the Quran were able to correct errors as they went along. Plus the writer(s) of the Quran were in no doubt very talented people. But the key question is the Quran the word of God. From what I have read it is like the Bible, words about God, by human authors, not the word of God. One give away, is both books write about God in the third person. For example the opening of the Quran addresses a prayer to Allah. It is not written as if God/Allah was talking about himself. Of course none of this proves the existence of unseen entities, of the existence of heaven, hell and 72 virgins. All of which could be the figment of over-active imaginations.

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I have had a read of some of your docs on scribd. Your are obviously well versed in islam apologetics.

Intelligent people can believe stupid things, but are just good at finding clever reasons to excuse their beliefs.

What I think you are missing is the bigger picture. Like most muslims you view the world as Muslims v Christians and Jews. There are many many religions and gods throughout human history.

Just a selection:


Just imagine an alien coming to planet earth for the first time. Islam is no different to any of these other faiths, when viewed from that bigger perspective.

Ans.

1. No you cannot gloss over with a simple line as “Quran is better written than Bible”…. You HAVE to explain, how come some one who did not know how to read and write, could compose such a complicated story, without nay outside help and with one shot?

It would have been possible is a committee of Arab people had set upon task to revise Bible and each would have come with his own inputs and they would have discussed and come to a “conclusion”.

It did not happen like that, the prophet said “I got this info thru revelation and these are not my words but words spoken by an angel of God”.

And since no one could match these words, they HAD to believe that it came from God.

01. It is you who are coming up with an apology for Bible and not me. I do not view world as Muslims versus Jews or Christians …

I view world as Muslims versus Non Muslims!! And that is how it would happen in the hereafter.

All Prophets and their true followers would stand under the group called as “Muslims”(i.e. those who submitted themselves to their Creator) and all those who rejected ANY prophet of God would be under the category of Non Muslims (i.e. those who refused to submit themselves to their creator and put the issues of caste, color, ethnicity, language, nation, custom etc before the dictates of their Lord).

All these 1000 of religions and sects and suspects within the religion are handiworks of Humans. No prophet of God named his followers by ANY of these names.

I try to teach the truth as told by the prophets themselves and not by other humans.

[Givemeliberty]

Still waiting for you to demonstrate how your god is anything more than a delusion. This is a reasonable question so stop avoiding it. Your belief in god is retarding you.

BBSting wrote:

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Do you really think that sounding like a broken record is going to drown out your opponents answers? You're like a kid who sticks his fingers in his ears and repeats the same shrill nonsense incessantly.

[Givemeliberty]

This is exactly what you do change the subject and run like hell when asked about Muslim female genital mutilation, suicide bombers, the gunning down of Malala, the holy she-camel of Allah and basically anything asked of you.

MUQ wrote:

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"Best way" to not answer and run away from any debate / discussion is to start some thing which has no relation with the topic under discussion and I have found most people "expert" on this trick!!
They would change the subject, faster that Politicians change their stance on any issue!!

[Thinking]

Just calling you on your BS. If you want to interpret that as anger, it must be because you are constantly making arbitrary judgments.

mtimber wrote:

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Do you have a rational response to make, or can you only offer arbitrary opinions when you disagree with something?
Your hostility reveals some deep seated anger about something...

[Thinking]

This is a great point. I'm often told "I love Evolution". No, I don't. Evolution is uncaring and mechanistic. It's also true.

I've more respect for polytheism than monotheism. Monotheism requires that you kiss the arse of a vindictive or at best negligent god.

albtraum wrote:

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What does truth and knowledge have to do with appeal? You only accept facts as facts if they are popular and appealing?
Very sad.

[Adam]

MUQ wrote:

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And since no one could match these words, they HAD to believe that it came from God.

Christians say the same thing about the Bible. Fundamentalists believe the bible is the word of God, free from any error. The bible contains no errors, whatsoever. Glory to God ;)

Of course we all know this is crazy and delusion. The bible is chock full of contradictions, errors and absurdities.

I admit the Quran has less errors and contradictions that the Bible. It helps having one author, whereas the bible had dozens of different authors, and busy pens of scribes and editors amending it.

Fact is mate, what religion you believe or disbelieve depends largely on where you were born, your family, community and country.

[jacktheladat1]

mtimber wrote:

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So you think it is reasonable to have faith that "a rock did it"?

As per (Your) normal, you 'speak' in riddles. What rock did what? My other question is, Why am I even considering to respond to utter BS in the first place?

[Thinking]

OK, so when will islamic Female Genital Mutilation end?

MUQ wrote:

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"Best way" to not answer and run away from any debate / discussion is to start some thing which has no relation with the topic under discussion and I have found most people "expert" on this trick!!
They would change the subject, faster that Politicians change their stance on any issue!!

[jacktheladat1]

mtimber wrote:

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Your emotionally arbitrary statements show a lack of the capacity to reason clearly and objectively.
Every time you post in this manner, you merely display your ignorance of the methods of logical discussion and debate.

Pot & kettle?

[Reason Personified]

Wrathbone wrote:

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You may think you don't need God, but you are composed of his energy regardless. If you weren't, you wouldn't be here to tell me about it.

Anchk, anchk, anchk, anchk! Not so damned fast, you can't claim that for anyone besides those demented enough to want it for themselves.

Not everybody is Ok with being Shanghaied, into the Jewish/Christain/Muslim theology scramble. Some of us, would do anything to not be ever associated with you nutso freaks, who don't even know the truth about the crap you are trying to sling all over other people.

Did you know that your Abrahamic god advocates the sexual usury of infants as soon as they are born. He has clear rules as to how invasive this usury can be. Boy or girl can be orally or anally penetrated, and both can be used in connection with the adult penis, as masturbatory aids, though the girl is not to be vaginally penetrated.

She is to be vaginally reserved for the use of her future husband, who can take possession, and marry her in one act, the act of vaginal penetration. It suffices as both wedding ceremony and proof of ownership, as long as she is at least three years and one day old. You know 'weaned and potty trained', and therefore old enough to be a wife.

Unless you know what you are slathering others with, you can expect them to slap it back in your face, especially when they can see what it is.

You are pushing Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah aren't you?

[jacktheladat1]

MUQ wrote:

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"Best way" to not answer and run away from any debate / discussion is to start some thing which has no relation with the topic under discussion and I have found most people "expert" on this trick!!
They would change the subject, faster that Politicians change their stance on any issue!!

Pot & kettle, again. You have expertly described the chatterer most of us on here know as MUQ.

[Henry]

ronan wrote:

It all depends by what people mean by "defeat".
Atheists becoming the majority of people on the planet?
Atheists banning religions?
Most people drifting away from religion turn to become agnostics anyway.
Atheism itself is some form of faith.

Why should Atheism be faith? Atheism has nothing to do with any kind of "faith". It is science but not"faith"! Educated people have mostly to do with science but not with myths, which are religious stone age rests in the best way.

[Henry]

mtimber wrote:

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Why would you care?
Atheists embrace inconsistent morality.
They promote the idea of subjective morality.
So why are you contending that it is wrong to be inconsistent morally?
Are you using Gods laws of morality to argue that God doesn't exist again and has no claim on you?

There is not the faintest idea of a god. The morality of religions is bound to societies. But religions are bound on divers myths.

[Henry]

Hedonist wrote:

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Do you still kill witches?
Religious morality is the most inconsistent morality imaginable.

Morality is class bound. For instance the morality of the stone age is different from the society of the slaveowners and in feudalism and capitalism. Socialism has turned to a different morality.

[Henry]

Hedonist wrote:

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Yes, if you claim that morals come from an invisible supernatural sky deity without any evidence what-so-ever to substantiat your claim or at least differentiate it from all the other deity claims, then you are right.
I do try to be patient with stupidity, but not with those that are so proud of it as you are.

God of course is nonexistent and has no morality at all:

[Henry]

BBSting wrote:

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The myths of science are hardly truth and knowledge.

Myths are not existing. Science is based on realities!

[polymath257]

DJ Hewlet wrote:

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The production of amino acids under laboratory conditions is touted as proof of abiogenesis, but there's a hitch. All experiments producing some amino acids, do so only as a result of using an atmosphere specifically engineered to yield amino acids. Instead of searching for existing evidence that would support the idea of abiogenesis, researchers manufacture it. This is not science. This is called rigging the results

And they use atmospheres that are similar to what we think the earth had at the time. So?

[Henry]

BBSting wrote:

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The myths of science are hardly truth and knowledge.

Of course science is based on facts not on myths. Yes religions are based on myths, that is why myths are based on phantasm!