Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10672 Jan 17, 2013
BS
mtimber wrote:
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So you are your own absolute standard when it comes to defining morality?
What if your neighbour believes they are also their own absolute standard and they disagree with you.
Who is right, them or you?
You are making arbitrary claims about absolute morality, based on your own perceived authority.
But are you omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent and eternal in nature?
Because that is what you need to be if you want to set yourself as the final authority on absolute morality...
Do you understand your own reasoning on this point and the absurd conclusion it takes you to?

Since: Jan 13

Location hidden

#10673 Jan 17, 2013
Thinking wrote:
BS
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Do you have a rational response to make, or can you only offer arbitrary opinions when you disagree with something?

Your hostility reveals some deep seated anger about something...

“Darwin died for your sins”

Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#10674 Jan 17, 2013
This...this here :
mtimber wrote:
What if your neighbour believes they are also their own absolute standard and they disagree with you.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#10675 Jan 17, 2013
Wow so many words and yet saying nothing. So now you are not only part of the godhead but also a co creator of the universe? Lmfao!

This one is nuttier than squirrel droppings!

So stop stalling and tell us your solutions to fix things. You claimed as a god and creator of the universe that you had these solutions so by all means share these solutions with us captain crazysht!
Wrathbone wrote:
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Obviously you find the idea of being part of God threatening, and yet you are not personally diminished. As co-creators with God, we have the ability to create a sane and just society in which to live. Isn't that what we all want? Or do you need "evil" religions to exonerate your perception of the goodness of atheism?
A belief in good without a belief in evil, may seem highly unrealistic to you but this belief is the best kind of insurance you can have, both during physical life and afterwards..

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#10676 Jan 17, 2013
Well let's see we have this turd who refuses to acknowledge the answers given him an just blindly repeats them again and again.

Game over turd. Time to flush.

:Flush:
mtimber wrote:
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Absolute morality requires an absolute God by definition...
It is self attesting.
All absolute moral positions come from God.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10677 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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...This is also not a question of evidence, it would not matter what evidence I showed you, you already have a priori position, that denying God is essential for you to justify your own personal choices in life.
Evidence will never convince you, because you are not really open to evidence.
Your presuppositional worldview precludes it.
How would you know, you never have presented any.

Should I just take everybody's word for whatever they claim to be true or should I require real evidence before believing that Shiva is real?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10678 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Why would you care?
Atheists embrace inconsistent morality.
They promote the idea of subjective morality.
So why are you contending that it is wrong to be inconsistent morally?
Are you using Gods laws of morality to argue that God doesn't exist again and has no claim on you?
Still trying to pass of your straw man fallacy. Nobody's buying it.

I notice you continue to side step any discussion of how inconsistent religious morals are. Do you still kill witches? Wouldn't you just love to burn me at the stake right now if it was still legal?

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#10679 Jan 17, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Wow so many words and yet saying nothing. So now you are not only part of the godhead but also a co creator of the universe? Lmfao!
This one is nuttier than squirrel droppings!
So stop stalling and tell us your solutions to fix things. You claimed as a god and creator of the universe that you had these solutions so by all means share these solutions with us captain crazysht!
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What's your solution big mouth? I mean, besides twisting and distorting the words of others. The atheistic position that life happened randomly for no particular reason and nothing matters in the end has about as much appeal to the intelligent thinking individual as a turd in a punch bowl!

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10680 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Doesn't matter how you deny it, it is a standard fallacy of bifurcation you committed.
A little bit of research will show you that.
Why would you be concerned about genocide being something that is indefensible?
You are an atheist, you have no absolute moral standards to appeal to.
If one society decides to kill another for the sake of survival, why would you deem that wrong?
Why do you keep appealing to absolute moral standards?
We both know why.
You live in a universe created by God, which includes absolute moral standards.
Which makes sense as to why you appeal to them.
But knowing that you would have to acknowledge God if you recognise them, you will deny them, whilst using them.
Showing your inconsistency and revealing that you do really know the truth on this matter...
It is not a question of God existing or not, it is a question of Gods authority over you that you take the real issue with.
Who are you to dictate who has/hasn't got moral standards?

You would confine all of morality to your superstition and then limit it to an unprovable supernatural being.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10681 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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No, I am claiming absolute morality proceeds from Gods very nature.
The God revealed in the Bible.
You are not going to get very far if you cannot understand my most basic argument.
You can argue all day long with a strawman if you want to, but it will be quite a futile exercise.
You really shouldn't refer to your god as a strawman.

He's killed thousands for a lot less than that.

Since: Mar 11

Portage, MI

#10682 Jan 17, 2013
Strawman argument as expected. Ignored and rightly so.

Can you give is any reasons as to why your god is anything more than a delusion? Wrathbone claims that he himself is a god and creator of the universe, do you believe him? Do you worship him?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!
BBSting wrote:
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What's your solution big mouth? I mean, besides twisting and distorting the words of others. The atheistic position that life happened randomly for no particular reason and nothing matters in the end has about as much appeal to the intelligent thinking individual as a turd in a punch bowl!

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10683 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Your response was built on a number of false premises and assumptions.
However, how do you account for the concept of right and wrong?
Learning as a child how to get along with others is the start. How you treat others and how they respond teach you how to behave for the best social interaction.....that's just the start.

We learn about pain and pleasure as we go, our elders teach us the finer points sometimes but trial and error (personal experience) is what really counts.

I can read history of ALL nations, philosophy or novels and acquire more knowledge of good vs bad judgement than your outdated, conflicting and boring 'good' book.

You theists seem to think you invented the notion of morality....you didn't.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10684 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Do you accept the idea that non-life produced life?
If you do, then my question is:
Did you observe that?
No and no.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10685 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I reject your arbitrary claim of having superior scientific comprehension.
Why?
Because you still assert a "rock did it" without being able to supply any empirical evidence for it.
Why would I accept your authority if you cannot rationally establish a basis for your claim to greater knowledge on such a simple matter as this.
He has shown much more scientific knowledge than you could ever hope to display. Fact.

Also the little fact that you attempt to pronounce judgement on a concept you can't even begin to understand only accentuates your ignorance.

In your unwitting arrogance, you are a poster child in favor of atheism. Never drink and drive. Learn to separate reality from myths, they just don't mix well.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10686 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Do you have a rational argument to make?
Already asked and answered, do try to move on.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10687 Jan 17, 2013
BBSting wrote:
<quoted text>
What's your solution big mouth? I mean, besides twisting and distorting the words of others. The atheistic position that life happened randomly for no particular reason and nothing matters in the end has about as much appeal to the intelligent thinking individual as a turd in a punch bowl!
What does truth and knowledge have to do with appeal? You only accept facts as facts if they are popular and appealing?

Very sad.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#10688 Jan 17, 2013
albtraum wrote:
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What does truth and knowledge have to do with appeal? You only accept facts as facts if they are popular and appealing?
Very sad.
The myths of science are hardly truth and knowledge.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#10689 Jan 17, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Strawman argument as expected. Ignored and rightly so.
Can you give is any reasons as to why your god is anything more than a delusion? Wrathbone claims that he himself is a god and creator of the universe, do you believe him? Do you worship him?
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahah a!
<quoted text>
Do you really think that sounding like a broken record is going to drown out your opponents answers? You're like a kid who sticks his fingers in his ears and repeats the same shrill nonsense incessantly.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#10690 Jan 17, 2013
Adam wrote:
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MUQ, noticed in the news Algerian Islamic terrorists have kidnapped and killed some Western oil workers. I realise the justification is in retaliation for a war being fought in Mail. But this is obviously motivated by fundamentalist islam. What do you think of kidnap, holding people for ransom, and murder of innocent people. Do you think they will be rewarded with 72 virgins per muslim?
"Best way" to not answer and run away from any debate / discussion is to start some thing which has no relation with the topic under discussion and I have found most people "expert" on this trick!!

They would change the subject, faster that Politicians change their stance on any issue!!
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#10691 Jan 17, 2013
Adam wrote:
1.

have had a read of your book. Obviously a lot of work has gone into it. I in small part agree, that the Quran is better written than the Bible. This is because as a re-write of biblical stories, the human author(s) of the Quran were able to correct errors as they went along. Plus the writer(s) of the Quran were in no doubt very talented people. But the key question is the Quran the word of God. From what I have read it is like the Bible, words about God, by human authors, not the word of God. One give away, is both books write about God in the third person. For example the opening of the Quran addresses a prayer to Allah. It is not written as if God/Allah was talking about himself. Of course none of this proves the existence of unseen entities, of the existence of heaven, hell and 72 virgins. All of which could be the figment of over-active imaginations.

2.

I have had a read of some of your docs on scribd. Your are obviously well versed in islam apologetics.

Intelligent people can believe stupid things, but are just good at finding clever reasons to excuse their beliefs.

What I think you are missing is the bigger picture. Like most muslims you view the world as Muslims v Christians and Jews. There are many many religions and gods throughout human history.

Just a selection:


Just imagine an alien coming to planet earth for the first time. Islam is no different to any of these other faiths, when viewed from that bigger perspective.
Ans.

1. No you cannot gloss over with a simple line as “Quran is better written than Bible”…. You HAVE to explain, how come some one who did not know how to read and write, could compose such a complicated story, without nay outside help and with one shot?

It would have been possible is a committee of Arab people had set upon task to revise Bible and each would have come with his own inputs and they would have discussed and come to a “conclusion”.

It did not happen like that, the prophet said “I got this info thru revelation and these are not my words but words spoken by an angel of God”.

And since no one could match these words, they HAD to believe that it came from God.

01. It is you who are coming up with an apology for Bible and not me. I do not view world as Muslims versus Jews or Christians …

I view world as Muslims versus Non Muslims!! And that is how it would happen in the hereafter.

All Prophets and their true followers would stand under the group called as “Muslims”(i.e. those who submitted themselves to their Creator) and all those who rejected ANY prophet of God would be under the category of Non Muslims (i.e. those who refused to submit themselves to their creator and put the issues of caste, color, ethnicity, language, nation, custom etc before the dictates of their Lord).

All these 1000 of religions and sects and suspects within the religion are handiworks of Humans. No prophet of God named his followers by ANY of these names.

I try to teach the truth as told by the prophets themselves and not by other humans.

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