Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Since: Apr 09

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#10611 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Your emotionally arbitrary statements show a lack of the capacity to reason clearly and objectively.
Every time you post in this manner, you merely display your ignorance of the methods of logical discussion and debate.
In other words you just realized "Oh shit - he's right."

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10612 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So only the options you specify are permitted?
Why would I engage with your arbitrary arguments?
Let's have another look at what I posted this morning...
Khatru wrote:
Absolute morality?

Like the the "Honour thy father and mother" commandment?

What if you father is Josef Fritzl? I'm sure you remember him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritzl_case

Do you honestly believe that Fritzl's daughters should still honour that man? If you do, then your sense of morality is pretty degenerate.

If, however, you admit that it doesn't apply in this particular case, then your morals are hardly an absolute rule.
Fourth sentence down, I asked you a question.

It remains unanswered.

Looks like you're scared to answer it.
Henry

Lichtenstein, Germany

#10613 Jan 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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You can live in you world of hallucination, there is no problem with us. So many isms came and vanished from the face of earth while religions continued to exist.
Does any one remembers Communism? It was dreamed to be the "next world ideology" It just vanished into thin air!!
The same is the fate of this Modern Materialistic and Atheist philosophy. Its days are numbered, you can start counting from reverse now!!
The only life of capitalism is profit (superprofit) which war is bringing. In the nuclear age this may be the end of mankind before capitalism has gone.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10615 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I appreciate you have great faith that one day it will be proven that "a rock did it".
But whilst you maintain that faith posiition, you cannot claim to operate solely on reason and logic.
Again, more inconsistencies.
Your wordlview is clearly disfunctional, by the myriads of inconsistencies it keeps displaying under the lightest of examinations...
No one has stated "a rock did it" except creationists, it's called a strawman, and it's one of the most over used ones. I have no faith in anything that has not presented evidence, therefore, I remove the need for blind faith. You rely on being gullible, you have to be gullible to buy anything without evidence the way you have. You are also projecting your delusional state onto me, you should get seen by a professional.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10616 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I appreciate you have great faith that one day it will be proven that "a rock did it".
But whilst you maintain that faith posiition, you cannot claim to operate solely on reason and logic.
Again, more inconsistencies.
Your wordlview is clearly disfunctional, by the myriads of inconsistencies it keeps displaying under the lightest of examinations...
He has well founded expectations that science will one day provide an answer.

This is quite understandable given the amazing successes science has achieved in explaining our reality with real and tangible truths as opposed to superstition and mumbo jumbo.

Remember. Of the many thousands of mysteries science has solved, not one of those solutions has been put down to magic.
Henry

Lichtenstein, Germany

#10617 Jan 17, 2013
Adam wrote:
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I dont really get this new age talk. Preferrable to the old age religions, but why does anyone need the comfort blanket of any religion anyway?
Religion is the blanket for the ruling exploiting classes. The exploiters have to be extinquished by the toiling classes. In the nuclear age this can only be done by a revolution, which may cost the life of humanity.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10618 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You have not understood my argument.
I am stating that if absolute moraity exists, an absolute Creator has to be the source of that morality.
The proof is that without an absolute God, there would not be any absolute morality.
And I am asking you to provide evidence of any absolute morality.

Since: Jan 13

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#10619 Jan 17, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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In other words you just realized "Oh shit - he's right."
Another arbitrary claim without an appeal to evidence or reason...

Now you might consider your own opinion a sufficient basis for measuring the universe and its implications, but it is not acceptable to be arbitrary in a logical discussion.

A troll wll constantly appeal to his own authority as a basis for justifying his emotional and arbitrary claims.

But why should anyone respect such egotistical and shallow claims to authority?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10620 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You have just stated that you don't understand how life started.
Then you argue that I should educate myself on how life started because of my ignorance of "science"...
Again you are being inconsistent, arguing that I should learn the science that you do not have so i can be as intelligent as you...
What I said was "at least we have some evidence to hypothesize various scenarios for abiogenesis." And I suggested that if you really wanted to discuss this aspect of science, there is a Topix Forum for that.

But thank you for going out of your way to show that you intend to misrepresent my posts so readily. Obviously bearing false witness isn't a problem for you.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10621 Jan 17, 2013
Henry wrote:
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Moral is a product of class societies. A change of the ruling class may have a change for the now ruling class. This may be realised by a revolution. This may be come through a new leading class.
Henry wrote:
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Religion is the blanket for the ruling exploiting classes. The exploiters have to be extinquished by the toiling classes. In the nuclear age this can only be done by a revolution, which may cost the life of humanity.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." (Lucius Annaeus Seneca)

But violence is never a solution.

Since: Jan 13

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#10622 Jan 17, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Let's have another look at what I posted this morning...
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Fourth sentence down, I asked you a question.
It remains unanswered.
Looks like you're scared to answer it.
Again, you have just re-presented what I already rejected.

You want to define the argument in a very narrow way as to produce an answer that only allows for the conlusions that you want.

Your basic premise is however wrong, that one breaking of a commandment justifies another breaking of a commandment.

You assume to hold that acting contrary to that position is morally wrong.

But upon what basis do you evaluate morality and claim if something is right or wrong/

Since: Mar 10

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#10623 Jan 17, 2013
Henry wrote:
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We need none and we have none, god is not!
You may think you don't need God, but you are composed of his energy regardless. If you weren't, you wouldn't be here to tell me about it.

Since: Jan 13

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#10625 Jan 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No one has stated "a rock did it" except creationists, it's called a strawman, and it's one of the most over used ones. I have no faith in anything that has not presented evidence, therefore, I remove the need for blind faith. You rely on being gullible, you have to be gullible to buy anything without evidence the way you have. You are also projecting your delusional state onto me, you should get seen by a professional.
So you don't believe non life caused life?

"A rock did it"

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10624 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I appreciate you have great faith that one day it will be proven that "a rock did it".
But whilst you maintain that faith posiition, you cannot claim to operate solely on reason and logic.
Again, more inconsistencies.
Your wordlview is clearly disfunctional, by the myriads of inconsistencies it keeps displaying under the lightest of examinations...
Faith is belief in something without evidence.

There is evidence for abiogenesis as a working hypothesis.

My confidence in the finding of science is in direct proportion to the amount of available independent verification and amount of testable predictive results available.

So, have you got ANY independently verifiable evidence for something other than abiogenesis? Anything at all to consider?

Since: Mar 10

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#10626 Jan 17, 2013
Henry wrote:
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Religion is the blanket for the ruling exploiting classes. The exploiters have to be extinquished by the toiling classes. In the nuclear age this can only be done by a revolution, which may cost the life of humanity.
The same could be said of scientific dogma. We need a division of scientific proclamations from national policy-making so that those "values" not considered by science can be given some voice in issues involving public well-being. An authoritative god coupled with an aggressive science sanctioned by national policy tends to have disastrous results.

Since: Jan 13

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#10627 Jan 17, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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What I said was "at least we have some evidence to hypothesize various scenarios for abiogenesis." And I suggested that if you really wanted to discuss this aspect of science, there is a Topix Forum for that.
But thank you for going out of your way to show that you intend to misrepresent my posts so readily. Obviously bearing false witness isn't a problem for you.
You are confusing the blind act of faith reaching out for evidence to justify it with empirical evidence...

You have assumed a rock did it and then will cast about for any evidence to support this absurd notion, that is clearly nonsense.

Rocks dont reason, they dont care and they dont organise information intelligently..

But you insist they do and one day their will be evidence to prove it.

Now that is an incredible leap of faith...

But why would it matter to you if I had lied?

You are an atheist, lying is just a choice dictated by expediency...

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10628 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You are confusing the blind act of faith reaching out for evidence to justify it with empirical evidence...
You have assumed a rock did it and then will cast about for any evidence to support this absurd notion, that is clearly nonsense.
Rocks dont reason, they dont care and they dont organise information intelligently..
But you insist they do and one day their will be evidence to prove it.
Now that is an incredible leap of faith...
But why would it matter to you if I had lied?
You are an atheist, lying is just a choice dictated by expediency...
I assume no such thing. I "insist" on no such thing.

I await evidence and testable results. Got any?

Since: Jan 13

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#10629 Jan 17, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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Faith is belief in something without evidence.
There is evidence for abiogenesis as a working hypothesis.
My confidence in the finding of science is in direct proportion to the amount of available independent verification and amount of testable predictive results available.
So, have you got ANY independently verifiable evidence for something other than abiogenesis? Anything at all to consider?
There is no evidence that a rock did it.

Making faith based arbitrary claims that there is, does not make your point valid...

As to alternative that is verifiable:

In the beginning God...

Without that absolute truth claim, you cannot account for life, logic, reasoning and morality.

The fact it is logically testable and that the alternative is demonstrably illogical is attestation that this is indeed true...

But that is not the issue.

I do not have to prove to you that God exists, you already know that, deep down in your heart of hearts.

What you are doing is suppressing that truth because you reject Gods authority over you.

And that can be clearly shown, when your worldview is examined and can be seen to be a series of arbitrary authority claims and inconsistencies that cannot account for the preconditions of intelligibility.

It is also verified again, when you then use Gods laws, which you deny, to shore up your own rickety worldview.

You are like a guilty kleptomaniac.

You keep picking up Gods laws of logic, morality and science and dropping them when you see someone watching you.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10630 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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...But why would it matter to you if I had lied?
You are an atheist, lying is just a choice dictated by expediency...
And there the resort to ad hominem. A clear admission that you have no argument on point.

You even took it to the next level and made a bigoted slur against a whole group of people. Should I assume that this is a typical representation of Christianity?

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10631 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Again, you have just re-presented what I already rejected.
You want to define the argument in a very narrow way as to produce an answer that only allows for the conlusions that you want.
Your basic premise is however wrong, that one breaking of a commandment justifies another breaking of a commandment.
You assume to hold that acting contrary to that position is morally wrong.
But upon what basis do you evaluate morality and claim if something is right or wrong/
I asked a question.

You can't answer it.

That's all there is to it.

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