Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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#10590 Jan 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Did you mean neurons? There are times when some species consider it okay, and in the wilds there will always be a call for such. But we are no longer in the wilds, so we adapt our morals to the new environment. There is more value to saving all lives, for each human will have a skill set that when put to proper use will benefit us all.
So morality is little more than expediency...?

If it is just expediency, how can you argue it is right or wrong?

You are being inconsistent.

So why would anyone accept your irrational position as having any value?

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#10591 Jan 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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At one time there was no life ... now there is. It had to come from non-life, regardless of the mechanism, even if it was some magical monster in the sky, it was still life from non-life.
So you accept:

"A rock did it."

By faith?

And you think that is rational?

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#10592 Jan 17, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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You haven't either. Although I have repeatedly asked you to define just 1 absolute moral position that you can show originated from your religion.
Absolute morality requires an absolute God by definition...

It is self attesting.

All absolute moral positions come from God.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10593 Jan 17, 2013
You're as thick as plank, timber.
mtimber wrote:
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So you accept:
"A rock did it."
By faith?
And you think that is rational?

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#10594 Jan 17, 2013
Just Think wrote:
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Already did - and all you did in return was ask another question without bothering to make a point.
That's what makes you a troll.
Your emotionally arbitrary statements show a lack of the capacity to reason clearly and objectively.

Every time you post in this manner, you merely display your ignorance of the methods of logical discussion and debate.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10595 Jan 17, 2013
No, it's consensus driven.
Far better that than some paedophile ridden church deciding on your behalf.
mtimber wrote:
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So morality is little more than expediency...?

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10596 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So you accept:
"A rock did it."
By faith?
And you think that is rational?
You lack of understanding of biochemistry in particular and science in general is not our problem. However there is a whole Topix Forum dedicated to Evolution, you should avail yourself of it ... that is, if you really want to learn something about abiogenesis or evolution.

At least we have some evidence to hypothesize various scenarios for abiogenesis. That's a thousand percent more than any evidence for **poof* some invisible sky deity did it.

But I do find it interesting that your question infers that you understand that belief on faith is irrational.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#10597 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Absolute morality requires an absolute God by definition...
It is self attesting.
All absolute moral positions come from God.
You keep saying that but you have yet to name one that you can show originated from any god.

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#10598 Jan 17, 2013
Thinking wrote:
No, it's consensus driven.
Far better that than some paedophile ridden church deciding on your behalf.
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So if the consensus was that child abuse was ok, you would go with that?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10599 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So morality is little more than expediency...?
If it is just expediency, how can you argue it is right or wrong?
You are being inconsistent.
So why would anyone accept your irrational position as having any value?
My position is based only on reason and logic, and is supported by evidence. Did you know that gorillas are known to actually care for human young when presented with such an opportunity? At least they try, it's only the adults they see as threats. This kind of morality is seen in other species, who will adopt orphans of similar species and care for them.

Morality is purely subjective, but our survival traits influence them a lot, and survival of the species takes priority over survival of the self. The best way to ensure survival of the species is to work together and protect as many of your species as possible, it's a very basic set of survival traits and instincts, and fully understood on how they came about, oddly. Your "morality" includes stoning people for being different, enslaving people of other tribes, and genocide. The rest of us have evolved past these primitive and self defeating "morals," you refuse to, so you have to make an excuse of why you hold onto them.
Henry

Lichtenstein, Germany

#10600 Jan 17, 2013
P_Smith wrote:
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Like I said, uneducated masses who can't think rationally, especially in regard to their biases.
Capitlist societies don`t actually be for the educated masses. The US with their bad educational system are an exampel! Propaganda is able to keep masses from education but not for ever!

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#10601 Jan 17, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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You lack of understanding of biochemistry in particular and science in general is not our problem. However there is a whole Topix Forum dedicated to Evolution, you should avail yourself of it ... that is, if you really want to learn something about abiogenesis or evolution.
At least we have some evidence to hypothesize various scenarios for abiogenesis. That's a thousand percent more than any evidence for **poof* some invisible sky deity did it.
But I do find it interesting that your question infers that you understand that belief on faith is irrational.
You have just stated that you don't understand how life started.

Then you argue that I should educate myself on how life started because of my ignorance of "science"...

Again you are being inconsistent, arguing that I should learn the science that you do not have so i can be as intelligent as you...

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#10602 Jan 17, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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You keep saying that but you have yet to name one that you can show originated from any god.
You have not understood my argument.

I am stating that if absolute moraity exists, an absolute Creator has to be the source of that morality.

The proof is that without an absolute God, there would not be any absolute morality.

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#10604 Jan 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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My position is based only on reason and logic, and is supported by evidence. Did you know that gorillas are known to actually care for human young when presented with such an opportunity? At least they try, it's only the adults they see as threats. This kind of morality is seen in other species, who will adopt orphans of similar species and care for them.
Morality is purely subjective, but our survival traits influence them a lot, and survival of the species takes priority over survival of the self. The best way to ensure survival of the species is to work together and protect as many of your species as possible, it's a very basic set of survival traits and instincts, and fully understood on how they came about, oddly. Your "morality" includes stoning people for being different, enslaving people of other tribes, and genocide. The rest of us have evolved past these primitive and self defeating "morals," you refuse to, so you have to make an excuse of why you hold onto them.
If you believe morality is only subjective, why do you keep stating absolute moral positions?

You are behaving irrationally.

Your wordview crumbles under the slightest logical examination.

So why should anyone listen to you when you attack other wordldviews.

You need to account for your own irrationality before you have any grounds to claim someone else is irrational...
Henry

Lichtenstein, Germany

#10605 Jan 17, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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You can live in you world of hallucination, there is no problem with us. So many isms came and vanished from the face of earth while religions continued to exist.
Does any one remembers Communism? It was dreamed to be the "next world ideology" It just vanished into thin air!!
The same is the fate of this Modern Materialistic and Atheist philosophy. Its days are numbered, you can start counting from reverse now!!
Communism is vanished at all. Capitalism is on the brink of its existence. This does not mean humanity is in a nuclear age in an extreme danger of extinction yet. Religion is not have a suvival as a myth. Maybe religion may have some life in the private region.

Since: Apr 08

Watford, UK

#10606 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Are there any other options available, or are the above the only options?
The options are there.

Take your pick.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10607 Jan 17, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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You have just stated that you don't understand how life started.
Then you argue that I should educate myself on how life started because of my ignorance of "science"...
Again you are being inconsistent, arguing that I should learn the science that you do not have so i can be as intelligent as you...
Abiogenesis is a new field, it is producing promising results and evidence to support some of the hypothesis involved. That does not mean it has any actual answers yet, but you should learn what they have discovered before addressing it, much less attempting to oppose it.

Evolution speaks nothing of how life started.

You accept a made up non-answer in place of seeking actual answers, it is you who is inconsistent.
Henry

Lichtenstein, Germany

#10608 Jan 17, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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You haven't either. Although I have repeatedly asked you to define just 1 absolute moral position that you can show originated from your religion.
Moral is a product of class societies. A change of the ruling class may have a change for the now ruling class. This may be realised by a revolution. This may be come through a new leading class.

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#10609 Jan 17, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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The options are there.
Take your pick.


So only the options you specify are permitted?

Why would I engage with your arbitrary arguments?

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#10610 Jan 17, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Abiogenesis is a new field, it is producing promising results and evidence to support some of the hypothesis involved. That does not mean it has any actual answers yet, but you should learn what they have discovered before addressing it, much less attempting to oppose it.
Evolution speaks nothing of how life started.
You accept a made up non-answer in place of seeking actual answers, it is you who is inconsistent.
I appreciate you have great faith that one day it will be proven that "a rock did it".

But whilst you maintain that faith posiition, you cannot claim to operate solely on reason and logic.

Again, more inconsistencies.

Your wordlview is clearly disfunctional, by the myriads of inconsistencies it keeps displaying under the lightest of examinations...

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