The absolute morality that a religious person might profess would include stoning people for adultery, or gathering firewood on the Sabbath, death for being a witch, slavery, female subservience ... these are all things which are religiously-based absolute moralities. This morality is just sick.<quoted text>
And upon what basis do you define immorality.
You said earlier that morality is societal, upon that basis why would you condemn any moral position mentioned in the bible?
I want a morality that is thought out, reasoned, argued, and discussed intelligently. Should we not expect a societal ethic we want to live in?
If you actually look at the moralities that are accepted among modern people, among 21st century people, we don’t believe in slavery anymore, we believe in equality of women, we don't burn people at the stake ... these are all things which are entirely recent. They have very little basis in any of the Abrahamic scriptures.
They are things that have developed over time through a consensus of reasoning, sober discussion, argument, legal theory, political and moral philosophy. They do not come from religion.
To the extent that you can find the good morals in religious scriptures, you have to cherry pick. You search your way through the Torah or Bible or Koran and you find the occasional verse that is an acceptable profession of morality and you say ‘look at that, that’s religion.’
And you leave out all the horrible bits and you say ‘oh we don’t believe that anymore, we’ve grown out of that.’
We’ve grown out of it because of secular moral philosophy and rational discussion.