Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Disbelief is a belief. The opposite of belief is not a lack of belief but an undecided or unreached conclusion. Proof? Atheists spend an exorbitant amount of time on discussion boards like this defending their belief in disbelief.
The lack of belief in something represents nothing. You wouldn't be aware of it so you would have no claim to knowledge and no opinions. The primitive Yanomami tribe in Brazil lack a belief in the christian God. They never heard of this god and know nothing about it. They have no knowledge of this God. Athiests, on the other hand, are well aware of Christianity and openly reject its theology. They disbelieve.
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If you are standing in the path of a train that is coming your way and have closed your eyes shut....should no one warn you that you are going to be hit by the speeding train?!!
Any one doing that would be your enemy or your well wisher?
And what if someone insists there is a train even though you have your eyes open, see no train, here no sound and there are no train tracks? They insist that there is a train coming and you have to get out of the way. What would you say in *this* case? That they were well-meaning, but wrong. if they kept insisting there was a train coming, even after a great deal of time, you would consider them to be crazy.
And that is how we see you: probably well-meaning, but so wrong as to be considered out of touch with reality.
Just because you "presume" you are an atheist, would Creator seize to exist for you? Would you escape death because you are an atheist?
I assume you mean 'cease' instead of 'seize'.*IF* you are correct, atheism would not be a cure. But why should we think you are correct?
Would you be exempt from resurrection just because "You did not believe in it"?
Why are you taking such a gamble with your life?
because I consider the odds to be so against your scenario that the gamble is minimal. And that's not to mention all the *other* possible scenarios that you don't mention.
Your name is such an opposite of what you post!!

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Disbelief is a belief. The opposite of belief is not a lack of belief but an undecided or unreached conclusion. Proof? Atheists spend an exorbitant amount of time on discussion boards like this defending their belief in disbelief.
The lack of belief in something represents nothing. You wouldn't be aware of it so you would have no claim to knowledge and no opinions. The primitive Yanomami tribe in Brazil lack a belief in the christian God. They never heard of this god and know nothing about it. They have no knowledge of this God. Athiests, on the other hand, are well aware of Christianity and openly reject its theology. They disbelieve.
No, we lack the belief. Twist the facts all you want, it doesn't change them. You are atheist to Zeus.

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No, we lack the belief. Twist the facts all you want, it doesn't change them. You are atheist to Zeus.
NO! He's a believing non-believer in the belief of believable Zueseses!

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<quoted text>I totally agree with you. Since the dawn of time man has always had an inner void to fill. a void that cannot be fullfilled by anything in this world has to offer. Are we becoming robots just to exist? If that is the case, why even care about anything at all? If I don't have God somwhere in my life I am completely and utterly empty. That is proof in itself!! Yet you still have so many other signs and miracles that cannot or will not be explained by science.
It could also be a sign of some neurosis. Or maybe you just need to get out more.

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If you are standing in the path of a train that is coming your way and have closed your eyes shut....should no one warn you that you are going to be hit by the speeding train?!!
Any one doing that would be your enemy or your well wisher?
Just because you "presume" you are an atheist, would Creator seize to exist for you? Would you escape death because you are an atheist?
Would you be exempt from resurrection just because "You did not believe in it"?
Why are you taking such a gamble with your life?
Your name is such an opposite of what you post!!
Pascal's Wager....Epic Fail.

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Atheism is a cult. It hasn't attracted enough people to make a minority and that isn't going to change. Atheism has no philosophy, nothing of any particular value to offer. The self centered hedonism of scientifically fueled secular belief is turning our society into a polluted stinking technological ghetto. If you think people haven't noticed, you're fooling yourself.
Max Weber: "Secularization is sometimes credited both to the cultural shifts in society following the emergence of rationality and the development of science as a substitute for superstition "the disenchantment of the world".

13 million people aren't enough to make a 'minority' in this country??? You might wish to double check that one. Check out The Pew forum for the last decade.
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Atheism is a cult. It hasn't attracted enough people to make a minority and that isn't going to change. Atheism has no philosophy, nothing of any particular value to offer. The self centered hedonism of scientifically fueled secular belief is turning our society into a polluted stinking technological ghetto. If you think people haven't noticed, you're fooling yourself.
All of this is your opinion, First Amendment protects this.
Are you trying to convince yourself of this?

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That's just stupid and beyond grasping at straws.
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Disbelief is a belief. The opposite of belief is not a lack of belief but an undecided or unreached conclusion. Proof? Atheists spend an exorbitant amount of time on discussion boards like this defending their belief in disbelief.
The lack of belief in something represents nothing. You wouldn't be aware of it so you would have no claim to knowledge and no opinions. The primitive Yanomami tribe in Brazil lack a belief in the christian God. They never heard of this god and know nothing about it. They have no knowledge of this God. Athiests, on the other hand, are well aware of Christianity and openly reject its theology. They disbelieve.
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From:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2013/01/jur...
Mr Qayyum said: "The Koran is sacred to us and we honour it. We also have a Bible on our stand and we show the Bible the same respect. One of the laws of the Koran is it shouldn't be on the floor, it should be high up and our hands should be clean when it's touched. I was shocked."
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"Defence advocate Steven Newcombe said: "There are many who oppose Islam. Did you take it he was expressing anti-Islamic views and disrespecting the religion?"
"Yes," said Mr Quyyum, although he agreed that Mr Crawford did not threaten or provoke any violence.
Unquote.
Mr Quyyum and company need to get used to the idea of freedom of speech & expression. People can believe whatever they want. I could believe that the flag is the symbol of my country and should be respected, but flags and books might not be respected - end of story. Respect must be earned, not demanded.

Religion isn't to be respected or disrespected (whatever 'disrespecting something' means. Presumably people mean 'actively showing disrespect to' i.e. being unnecessarily candid when one might be polite or more tactful.) Freedom of speech and expression are important must be upheld.

It isn't at all clear that Mr Crawford was trying to provoke a disturbance and he wasn't being violent, so why was it a police matter at all? A protest is legal whether carried out by a person, group or crowd.

People needn't be offended by people being disgusted by religion. Many of us feel that all the time and never particularly show it.

I think Mr Crawford should have been fined for littering.

Religion = superstition. It's divisive and more trouble than its worth.
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n 20th century atheist in power murdered millions. As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann
all examples of atheists not to be trusted.

Atheists will now claim these were Christians :-)
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When religion is gone is when we will have world peace and total equality and total freedom...
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You're just another spamtard.
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n 20th century atheist in power murdered millions. As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann
all examples of atheists not to be trusted.
Atheists will now claim these were Christians :-)
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n 20th century atheist in power murdered millions. As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann
all examples of atheists not to be trusted.
Atheists will now claim these were Christians :-)
Absolutely right.

If religionists in power is bad, just look what atheist societies have done.

The greatest genocides in history were exacted under atheit states: USSR, China, Cambodia. The greatest butcher in history did it in an atheist society they had created.
The systematic eradication of religion is the result of atheists reaching power.
They are just as intolerant as religious fanatics.
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Absolutely right.
If religionists in power is bad, just look what atheist societies have done.
The greatest genocides in history were exacted under atheit states: USSR, China, Cambodia. The greatest butcher in history did it in an atheist society they had created.
The systematic eradication of religion is the result of atheists reaching power.
They are just as intolerant as religious fanatics.
Not that old lie.

Apart from the fact that some on the list weren't atheist (e.g. Hitler), none of them were motivated by atheism and none of them could have been restrained by (even more) religion.

Beliefs should be challenged, not held sacred.

Perhaps people who are religious and know to keep it to themselves might take it from a prominent religionist?...
"If I were a dictator, religion and state would be separate. I swear by my religion. I will die for it. But it is my personal affair. The state has nothing to do with it. The state would look after your secular welfare, health, communications, foreign relations, currency and so on, but not your or my religion. That is everybody's personal concern!”
&#8213; Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

If religion is to survive at all, it will need to be defended far better than the patently falacious comments of Lincoln, Rio and Muq. We are all essentially human and equal. We mustn't allow religion to influence politics, science, the law, morality, or education , or freedom of speech or expression,(as in the example in my post at the top of this page). Religion should never divide us,(e.g Sunni & Shia; Zionist & Islamist; religionist & atheist). That would certainly be an atheist view and religionists would do well to live by that too.
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<quoted text>Not that old lie.
Apart from the fact that some on the list weren't atheist (e.g. Hitler), none of them were motivated by atheism and none of them could have been restrained by (even more) religion.
Beliefs should be challenged, not held sacred.
Perhaps people who are religious and know to keep it to themselves might take it from a prominent religionist?...
"If I were a dictator, religion and state would be separate. I swear by my religion. I will die for it. But it is my personal affair. The state has nothing to do with it. The state would look after your secular welfare, health, communications, foreign relations, currency and so on, but not your or my religion. That is everybody's personal concern!”
&#8213; Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
If religion is to survive at all, it will need to be defended far better than the patently falacious comments of Lincoln, Rio and Muq. We are all essentially human and equal. We mustn't allow religion to influence politics, science, the law, morality, or education , or freedom of speech or expression,(as in the example in my post at the top of this page). Religion should never divide us,(e.g Sunni & Shia; Zionist & Islamist; religionist & atheist). That would certainly be an atheist view and religionists would do well to live by that too.
In short - "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's, and give unto God that which is God's".

Humans are natural god-makers. Theology of one kind or another will always be a part of mankind's experience. It is a way to expunge moth eaten dogmas and ceremonies, both religious and scientific, to encounter the universe through our eyes and to try again to push against our recognized boundaries.

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I think my “little post” on Train hitting some one standing on tracks has fired imaginations on this dormant thread. Within a short time, I received six replies to my single post!!
I would post a common reply to all of them.
1. Albtram
equates it with Pascal’s Wager: If some one says that death is Pascal’ wager, then let him take it. May be they will never die!!
2. RP says:
a. that “everyone sees the trains and tracks…” may be they do, but do we not read “every day” that so many people got killed when train hit them? It happens so often in India!!
b. Some one has to find answer to what happens after death. If you have no definite answer, then rejecting what religions say, is not a reasonable approach. You are taking wager with your life!!
3. Adam
c. says that since so many “religions” exist in the world, so there is no religion!! Can he say the same about so many models of cars existing, so many models of TV sets, Mobiles, Fridge etc.
One should say that since there are so many models available in the world, so all are fake?
d. And then he says that he will “refuse to sit in Paradise with 72 Virgins”… may be he will, but let him first make himself someone who enters paradise!!
e. And he says that I am a Muslim because I was born in a Muslim family. May be he is true, but I have true stories from hundreds of people who were not born in Muslim family, but they accepted Islam after sincere study of Islam and its teachings.
Islam is the fastest growing religion in the West today!!
4. PM 2857
f. He poses a question is that what if “one can see no train despite keeping his own eyes open”?
My reply is that even if you see “no train” coming, but seeing “all arrangements” made to receive a train, should make one “think”.
g. The people who see this universe and things working so perfectly, if after seeing all that , he or she does not “think” that there should a Creator who has created all this, then he is not keeping his eyes open.
h. Some one who sees humans, their power and their authority on the earth and still thinks that his life has no purpose, other that eat, drink, sleep and have sex…. Is not keeping his eyes “Open”.
His claim is Hypocritic. People have seen Creator by pondering on this Universe!!
j. My name in MUQ, which is nothing but the Initials of my name. So I post what I say.
Yes, we understand that you are standing in the path of an invisible train on invisible tracks, and your demented friend is trying to save you from being hit by it.

Let it hit you, you won't feel it, you won't even know, and it will make your friend happy to attend to your invisible wounds. LOL!

And btw, you are as demented as your friend
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US seems religious so it may to to 2238?
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Apart from the fact that some on the list weren't atheist (e.g. Hitler), none of them were motivated by atheism and none of them
I never mentioned Hitler; Germany was never an atheist state.
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If religion is to survive at all, it will need to be defended far better than the patently falacious comments of Lincoln, Rio and Muq.
Two wrong assumptions from you in the same post.

First, I never mentioned Hitler.

Second, I do not defend religion. I am against intolerance and that is present among zealous believers just like among atheist militants.

I have no dog in that fight and I think believers and atheists should live together without attacking each other or trying to impose their views on others.

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