Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10211 Jan 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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If you are standing in the path of a train that is coming your way and have closed your eyes shut....should no one warn you that you are going to be hit by the speeding train?!!
Any one doing that would be your enemy or your well wisher?
Depends what you mean by the train. If you mean superstition, the person who warned me to avoid superstition would be a well wisher.

Remember that mankind has invented 000s of gods. According to one source in the past 10000 years man has invented 10000 religions and 1000 gods. This shows that human beings are very superstitious creatures.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10212 Jan 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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Why are you taking such a gamble with your life?
Buying into one particular sect of one particular religion is taking a risk with your life. Millions waste their lives thinking and worrying about made up things.

I for one, would not want to be sitting in Jannah underneath palm trees with 72 virgins, whilst my billions of people are being burnt alive in hell. That is an absurd and cruel mythology.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10213 Jan 10, 2013
DJ Hewlet wrote:
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Atheism is a cult. It hasn't attracted enough people to make a minority and that isn't going to change. Atheism has no philosophy, nothing of any particular value to offer. The self centered hedonism of scientifically fueled secular belief is turning our society into a polluted stinking technological ghetto. If you think people haven't noticed, you're fooling yourself.
How does a cult form around the absence of a single belief?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10214 Jan 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
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The reason you are a muslim is cause you live in a muslim country. If you lived where I live in a town with a bunch of churches and no mosque, you would almost certinly not be a muslim.
DJ Hewlet

UK

#10215 Jan 10, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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How does a cult form around the absence of a single belief?
Disbelief is a belief. The opposite of belief is not a lack of belief but an undecided or unreached conclusion. Proof? Atheists spend an exorbitant amount of time on discussion boards like this defending their belief in disbelief.

The lack of belief in something represents nothing. You wouldn't be aware of it so you would have no claim to knowledge and no opinions. The primitive Yanomami tribe in Brazil lack a belief in the christian God. They never heard of this god and know nothing about it. They have no knowledge of this God. Athiests, on the other hand, are well aware of Christianity and openly reject its theology. They disbelieve.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#10216 Jan 10, 2013
DJ Hewlet wrote:
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Disbelief is a belief. The opposite of belief is not a lack of belief but an undecided or unreached conclusion. Proof? Atheists spend an exorbitant amount of time on discussion boards like this defending their belief in disbelief.
The lack of belief in something represents nothing. You wouldn't be aware of it so you would have no claim to knowledge and no opinions. The primitive Yanomami tribe in Brazil lack a belief in the christian God. They never heard of this god and know nothing about it. They have no knowledge of this God. Athiests, on the other hand, are well aware of Christianity and openly reject its theology. They disbelieve.
LOL...no.

“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#10217 Jan 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are standing in the path of a train that is coming your way and have closed your eyes shut....should no one warn you that you are going to be hit by the speeding train?!!
Any one doing that would be your enemy or your well wisher?
And what if someone insists there is a train even though you have your eyes open, see no train, here no sound and there are no train tracks? They insist that there is a train coming and you have to get out of the way. What would you say in *this* case? That they were well-meaning, but wrong. if they kept insisting there was a train coming, even after a great deal of time, you would consider them to be crazy.
And that is how we see you: probably well-meaning, but so wrong as to be considered out of touch with reality.
Just because you "presume" you are an atheist, would Creator seize to exist for you? Would you escape death because you are an atheist?
I assume you mean 'cease' instead of 'seize'.*IF* you are correct, atheism would not be a cure. But why should we think you are correct?
Would you be exempt from resurrection just because "You did not believe in it"?
Why are you taking such a gamble with your life?
because I consider the odds to be so against your scenario that the gamble is minimal. And that's not to mention all the *other* possible scenarios that you don't mention.
Your name is such an opposite of what you post!!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#10218 Jan 10, 2013
DJ Hewlet wrote:
<quoted text>
Disbelief is a belief. The opposite of belief is not a lack of belief but an undecided or unreached conclusion. Proof? Atheists spend an exorbitant amount of time on discussion boards like this defending their belief in disbelief.
The lack of belief in something represents nothing. You wouldn't be aware of it so you would have no claim to knowledge and no opinions. The primitive Yanomami tribe in Brazil lack a belief in the christian God. They never heard of this god and know nothing about it. They have no knowledge of this God. Athiests, on the other hand, are well aware of Christianity and openly reject its theology. They disbelieve.
No, we lack the belief. Twist the facts all you want, it doesn't change them. You are atheist to Zeus.

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#10219 Jan 10, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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No, we lack the belief. Twist the facts all you want, it doesn't change them. You are atheist to Zeus.
NO! He's a believing non-believer in the belief of believable Zueseses!

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10221 Jan 10, 2013
whatever wrote:
<quoted text>I totally agree with you. Since the dawn of time man has always had an inner void to fill. a void that cannot be fullfilled by anything in this world has to offer. Are we becoming robots just to exist? If that is the case, why even care about anything at all? If I don't have God somwhere in my life I am completely and utterly empty. That is proof in itself!! Yet you still have so many other signs and miracles that cannot or will not be explained by science.
It could also be a sign of some neurosis. Or maybe you just need to get out more.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10222 Jan 10, 2013
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are standing in the path of a train that is coming your way and have closed your eyes shut....should no one warn you that you are going to be hit by the speeding train?!!
Any one doing that would be your enemy or your well wisher?
Just because you "presume" you are an atheist, would Creator seize to exist for you? Would you escape death because you are an atheist?
Would you be exempt from resurrection just because "You did not believe in it"?
Why are you taking such a gamble with your life?
Your name is such an opposite of what you post!!
Pascal's Wager....Epic Fail.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10223 Jan 10, 2013
DJ Hewlet wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is a cult. It hasn't attracted enough people to make a minority and that isn't going to change. Atheism has no philosophy, nothing of any particular value to offer. The self centered hedonism of scientifically fueled secular belief is turning our society into a polluted stinking technological ghetto. If you think people haven't noticed, you're fooling yourself.
Max Weber: "Secularization is sometimes credited both to the cultural shifts in society following the emergence of rationality and the development of science as a substitute for superstition "the disenchantment of the world".

13 million people aren't enough to make a 'minority' in this country??? You might wish to double check that one. Check out The Pew forum for the last decade.
Lincoln

United States

#10225 Jan 10, 2013
DJ Hewlet wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheism is a cult. It hasn't attracted enough people to make a minority and that isn't going to change. Atheism has no philosophy, nothing of any particular value to offer. The self centered hedonism of scientifically fueled secular belief is turning our society into a polluted stinking technological ghetto. If you think people haven't noticed, you're fooling yourself.
All of this is your opinion, First Amendment protects this.
Are you trying to convince yourself of this?

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#10227 Jan 10, 2013
That's just stupid and beyond grasping at straws.
DJ Hewlet wrote:
<quoted text>
Disbelief is a belief. The opposite of belief is not a lack of belief but an undecided or unreached conclusion. Proof? Atheists spend an exorbitant amount of time on discussion boards like this defending their belief in disbelief.
The lack of belief in something represents nothing. You wouldn't be aware of it so you would have no claim to knowledge and no opinions. The primitive Yanomami tribe in Brazil lack a belief in the christian God. They never heard of this god and know nothing about it. They have no knowledge of this God. Athiests, on the other hand, are well aware of Christianity and openly reject its theology. They disbelieve.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#10228 Jan 11, 2013
From:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2013/01/jur...
Mr Qayyum said: "The Koran is sacred to us and we honour it. We also have a Bible on our stand and we show the Bible the same respect. One of the laws of the Koran is it shouldn't be on the floor, it should be high up and our hands should be clean when it's touched. I was shocked."
And
"Defence advocate Steven Newcombe said: "There are many who oppose Islam. Did you take it he was expressing anti-Islamic views and disrespecting the religion?"
"Yes," said Mr Quyyum, although he agreed that Mr Crawford did not threaten or provoke any violence.
Unquote.
Mr Quyyum and company need to get used to the idea of freedom of speech & expression. People can believe whatever they want. I could believe that the flag is the symbol of my country and should be respected, but flags and books might not be respected - end of story. Respect must be earned, not demanded.

Religion isn't to be respected or disrespected (whatever 'disrespecting something' means. Presumably people mean 'actively showing disrespect to' i.e. being unnecessarily candid when one might be polite or more tactful.) Freedom of speech and expression are important must be upheld.

It isn't at all clear that Mr Crawford was trying to provoke a disturbance and he wasn't being violent, so why was it a police matter at all? A protest is legal whether carried out by a person, group or crowd.

People needn't be offended by people being disgusted by religion. Many of us feel that all the time and never particularly show it.

I think Mr Crawford should have been fined for littering.

Religion = superstition. It's divisive and more trouble than its worth.
Lincoln

United States

#10229 Jan 11, 2013
n 20th century atheist in power murdered millions. As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann
all examples of atheists not to be trusted.

Atheists will now claim these were Christians :-)
sickofit

Austin, MN

#10230 Jan 11, 2013
When religion is gone is when we will have world peace and total equality and total freedom...
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10233 Jan 11, 2013
You're just another spamtard.
Lincoln wrote:
n 20th century atheist in power murdered millions. As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann
all examples of atheists not to be trusted.
Atheists will now claim these were Christians :-)
rio

UK

#10234 Jan 11, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
n 20th century atheist in power murdered millions. As a result turning to atheism is not an easy solution.
Hitler,
Stalin,
Lenin,
Castro,
Trotsky,
Kamenev,
Zinoviev
Mao,
Himler,
Eichmann
all examples of atheists not to be trusted.
Atheists will now claim these were Christians :-)
Absolutely right.

If religionists in power is bad, just look what atheist societies have done.

The greatest genocides in history were exacted under atheit states: USSR, China, Cambodia. The greatest butcher in history did it in an atheist society they had created.
The systematic eradication of religion is the result of atheists reaching power.
They are just as intolerant as religious fanatics.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#10236 Jan 11, 2013
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely right.
If religionists in power is bad, just look what atheist societies have done.
The greatest genocides in history were exacted under atheit states: USSR, China, Cambodia. The greatest butcher in history did it in an atheist society they had created.
The systematic eradication of religion is the result of atheists reaching power.
They are just as intolerant as religious fanatics.
Not that old lie.

Apart from the fact that some on the list weren't atheist (e.g. Hitler), none of them were motivated by atheism and none of them could have been restrained by (even more) religion.

Beliefs should be challenged, not held sacred.

Perhaps people who are religious and know to keep it to themselves might take it from a prominent religionist?...
"If I were a dictator, religion and state would be separate. I swear by my religion. I will die for it. But it is my personal affair. The state has nothing to do with it. The state would look after your secular welfare, health, communications, foreign relations, currency and so on, but not your or my religion. That is everybody's personal concern!”
&#8213; Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi

If religion is to survive at all, it will need to be defended far better than the patently falacious comments of Lincoln, Rio and Muq. We are all essentially human and equal. We mustn't allow religion to influence politics, science, the law, morality, or education , or freedom of speech or expression,(as in the example in my post at the top of this page). Religion should never divide us,(e.g Sunni & Shia; Zionist & Islamist; religionist & atheist). That would certainly be an atheist view and religionists would do well to live by that too.

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