Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Think&Care”

Since: Oct 07

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#10180 Jan 8, 2013
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>Your proof of evolution please? You believe in something and yet when asked for proof there is none forthcoming. I at least provide you with solid evidence why belief in a supernatural Being is not illogical - as evidence leads there
You are missing the point. Atheism and evolution are not the same thing. Even if evolution were wrong, that would not be evidence for theism.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10181 Jan 8, 2013
Andre wrote:
<quoted text> Even your argument of "most intelligent people are atheists" suggests that the minority (as atheists are the minority)are all intelligent. You will excuse my very rough evaluation, but based on the arguments raised on this forum indicates you are wrong.
And then again:

Are Atheists More Intelligent than Theists?

It seems there is some strong evidence that the more intelligent a person is the less he/she believes in the existence of God. In a study done by the psychology department at the University of Edinburgh last year, Gary J. Lewis, Stuart J. Ritchie, and Timothy C. Bates looked at links between lower levels of intelligence and high levels of religiosity.

http://www.midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1197....

Their findings showed that intelligence was significantly and negatively associated with measures of religion, especially fundamentalism. What was demonstrated was that those with greater cognitive skills are able to form more open-minded (antiauthoritarian) attitudes than those with lesser cognitive abilities. In other words, greater intelligence leads to more open mindedness and individualism; resulting in an intellectual conflict with the arguments made by religious scripture and leaders. This is particularly true with fundamentalism’s literalistic interpretation of scripture.

In another study done three years ago, Average Intelligence Predicts Atheism Rates Across 137 Nations, by Richard Lynn, John Harvey, and Helmuth Nyborg, the authors reviewed evidence pointing to a negative relationship between intelligence and religious belief in the U.S. and Europe.

http://davesource.com/Fringe/Fringe/...Lynn-e...

The factors included not only evidence pointing to a negative relationship between intelligence and religious belief; but also lower percentages of those who are extremely intelligent holding religious beliefs compared with the general population, a decline of religious belief with age among children and adolescents as their cognitive abilities increase, and the decline of religious belief during the course of the twentieth century as the intelligence of populations has increased.

The authors mention 38 other studies that found a negative correlation between intelligence and religious belief; and a study in the Netherlands that reported agnostics scored 4 IQ points higher than believers. In another study it was demonstrated that those who responded to “not religious at all” had the highest IQ.

In the 1990s, a study of members of the American National Academy of Sciences reported that seven percent believed in the existence of God, as compared with approximately ninety percent found in the general population. In Britain, it was found that 3.3 percent of Fellow of the Royal Society believed in the existence of God, while 78.8 percent did not believe.

It seems clear from these studies that intelligence/cognitive abilities determine one’s acceptance of religious mythology.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#10182 Jan 8, 2013
Thanks! I will certainly check these out. But as I said in general be it online or in person we need to stop trying to argue science with theists and most importantly stop lettin them frame the debate to their liking.

We are letting them off the hook and that needs to stop.
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>I can recommend the Glasgow Skeptics to UK contributors...
http://www.skeptic.org.uk/events/skeptics-in-...
I'm assuming there are equally good standards around the UK. It's a good forum for rational discussion and I learn something every time I attend but it depends a lot on the speaker - like many Humanist meetings.
And they exist in the USA too...
http://www.skepticsinthepub.net/Find_a_Group/...
(Just thought I'd mention this :-)

Since: Mar 11

Lexington, KY

#10183 Jan 8, 2013


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Andre

Durban, South Africa

#10184 Jan 8, 2013
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
And then again:
Are Atheists More Intelligent than Theists?
It seems there is some strong evidence that the more intelligent a person is the less he/she believes in the existence of God. In a study done by the psychology department at the University of Edinburgh last year, Gary J. Lewis, Stuart J. Ritchie, and Timothy C. Bates looked at links between lower levels of intelligence and high levels of religiosity.
http://www.midus.wisc.edu/findings/pdfs/1197....
Their findings showed that intelligence was significantly and negatively associated with measures of religion, especially fundamentalism. What was demonstrated was that those with greater cognitive skills are able to form more open-minded (antiauthoritarian) attitudes than those with lesser cognitive abilities. In other words, greater intelligence leads to more open mindedness and individualism; resulting in an intellectual conflict with the arguments made by religious scripture and leaders. This is particularly true with fundamentalism’s literalistic interpretation of scripture.
In another study done three years ago, Average Intelligence Predicts Atheism Rates Across 137 Nations, by Richard Lynn, John Harvey, and Helmuth Nyborg, the authors reviewed evidence pointing to a negative relationship between intelligence and religious belief in the U.S. and Europe.
http://davesource.com/Fringe/Fringe/...Lynn-e...
The factors included not only evidence pointing to a negative relationship between intelligence and religious belief; but also lower percentages of those who are extremely intelligent holding religious beliefs compared with the general population, a decline of religious belief with age among children and adolescents as their cognitive abilities increase, and the decline of religious belief during the course of the twentieth century as the intelligence of populations has increased.
The authors mention 38 other studies that found a negative correlation between intelligence and religious belief; and a study in the Netherlands that reported agnostics scored 4 IQ points higher than believers. In another study it was demonstrated that those who responded to “not religious at all” had the highest IQ.
In the 1990s, a study of members of the American National Academy of Sciences reported that seven percent believed in the existence of God, as compared with approximately ninety percent found in the general population. In Britain, it was found that 3.3 percent of Fellow of the Royal Society believed in the existence of God, while 78.8 percent did not believe.
It seems clear from these studies that intelligence/cognitive abilities determine one’s acceptance of religious mythology.
You are correct with your information.

My comment was based on the responses on this forum - where I find very little (if indeed any) sign of conversation where facts are presented in support of argument - yours is an exception.

I always welcome proper argument which challenges beliefs previously held. If one sticks to a point just because one wants to believe it, it is a bit silly. Without trying to sound arrogant, I have yet to come across any argument that disproves any of the central doctrines of the Christian faith - or even that which is stated in the Bible as fact.

There may be arguments (such as the one raised earlier about contradictions in respect of works and grace) which is based on superficial understanding of the text and the context.

I have come to the conclusion (perhaps incorrectly so) that atheists "believe" in atheism without sound argument, but often as a result of "losing faith" in Christ-ianity. This is so sad and I do not know how a person that does not study the Bible is able to discern truth from lies offered from the pulpit of many "Christian" churches.

But one thing I know - God loves his people and will not let any of them go astray. Consider the guy on the cross next to Jesus - saved within the last hours of his life.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#10185 Jan 8, 2013
Andre: You are correct with your information.

Yes indeed atheists have a higher IQ.

My comment was based on the responses on this forum - where I find very little (if indeed any) sign of conversation where facts are presented in support of argument - yours is an exception.
I always welcome proper argument which challenges beliefs previously held. If one sticks to a point just because one wants to believe it, it is a bit silly.

Like theists.

Without trying to sound arrogant, I have yet to come across any argument that disproves any of the central doctrines of the Christian faith - or even that which is stated in the Bible as fact.

Your bible has thousands of contradictions and errors it has been changed and rewritten so many times it's laughable at this point.

I have come to the conclusion (perhaps incorrectly so) that atheists "believe" in atheism without sound argument, but often as a result of "losing faith" in Christ-ianity.

Atheism means not believing in deities nothing more.

This is so sad and I do not know how a person that does not study the Bible is able to discern truth from lies offered from the pulpit of many "Christian" churches.

I am currently reading the bible cover I cover page to page passage to passage for the 8th time. It grows more humorous with each reading.

But one thing I know - God loves his people and will not let any of them go astray. Consider the guy on the cross next to Jesus - saved within the last hours of his life.

Why should anyone accept the Jesus myth as it was merely stolen from other messiah myths at the time. In fact answer this.

Why should anyone accept god/s as anything more than the product of someone's imagination?

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10186 Jan 9, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VG8BX5Y79p4XX
Rare porn movie to be filmws in the Vatican!
love, Love, LOVE The Onion!!!

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10187 Jan 9, 2013
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>You are correct with your information.
My comment was based on the responses on this forum - where I find very little (if indeed any) sign of conversation where facts are presented in support of argument - yours is an exception.
I always welcome proper argument which challenges beliefs previously held. If one sticks to a point just because one wants to believe it, it is a bit silly. Without trying to sound arrogant, I have yet to come across any argument that disproves any of the central doctrines of the Christian faith - or even that which is stated in the Bible as fact.

But one thing I know - God loves his people and will not let any of them go astray. Consider the guy on the cross next to Jesus - saved within the last hours of his life.
I see, since you don't like facts that don't support you, you regress to Topix replies?

If you haven't come accross anything that disproves YOUR central beliefs in the doctrines....it's because you don't want to.

It isn't sad to turn away from Christianity....it would be far sadder to give lip service to a tarnished beyond redemption set of discarded dreams, which is precisely what religion is.That's what I have done and the relief is immense. You dream of eternal life, the dream of escaping death, the dream that even in death all problems will be solved. The righteous (yourself) will go to heaven and the wicked (those that disagree with you) will burn in hell.

You can't prove any truth in myths by quoting more myth. You're basically saying that the bible is true because the thief on the cross went to heaven....neither of which supports the other.

Sorry, getting frustrated here. Far better to stop for now.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#10188 Jan 9, 2013
The onion rocks :)
albtraum wrote:
<quoted text>
love, Love, LOVE The Onion!!!
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#10189 Jan 9, 2013
I simply don't believe you when you write this:
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>...I always welcome proper argument which challenges beliefs previously held. If one sticks to a point just because one wants to believe it, it is a bit silly...
I do believe that you believe it to be true.

I think you consider some beliefs sacred and don't allow them to be challenged in the same way any belief should be challenged. You fail to challenge all beliefs equally. I think you have a double-standard. All beliefs should be challenged and none held sacred.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/...
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#10190 Jan 9, 2013
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10191 Jan 9, 2013
EdSed wrote:
http://www.jesusandmo.net/2013 /01/09/minds/
very good
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10192 Jan 9, 2013
Statue of Mary seen driving a car in Ireland.

www.youtube.com/watch...

Sometimes, miracles do happen.
Givemeliberty wrote:
The onion rocks :)
<quoted text>
Henry

Chemnitz, Germany

#10193 Jan 9, 2013
P_Smith wrote:
As I just posted on the site:
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Religion will continue to exist as long as these two things also exist:
(1) Uneducated masses who can't think rationally (especially in regard to their biases).
(2) Biased, corrupt and opportunistic "leaders" who see religion as a short cut to wealth, power, sex and social status.
Because those two things are likely to always be with us, we will unfortunately never see the demise of the demented deists.
.
The overwhelming of religion by the education of people will further the atheism.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#10194 Jan 9, 2013
Lol! That was just tooooo sweet!:)
Thinking wrote:
Statue of Mary seen driving a car in Ireland.
www.youtube.com/watch...
Sometimes, miracles do happen.
<quoted text>
Henry

Chemnitz, Germany

#10195 Jan 9, 2013
Clint wrote:
<quoted text>
Capitalism is the only hope humanity has to survive and flourish.
Only by the overwhelminvive!g of capitalism humanity may have a chance
Henry

Chemnitz, Germany

#10196 Jan 9, 2013
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible contradicts itself on this, in some places you are saved by faith, in others by works. Why do you choose Paul teaching over Jesus.
You seem to have accepted fundie creationist myths hook line and sinker. Many christians accept macro evolution.
The bible is full of errors, fakes and mistakes!
jacktheladat1

Plymouth, UK

#10197 Jan 9, 2013
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>You are correct with your information.
My comment was based on the responses on this forum - where I find very little (if indeed any) sign of conversation where facts are presented in support of argument - yours is an exception.
I always welcome proper argument which challenges beliefs previously held. If one sticks to a point just because one wants to believe it, it is a bit silly. Without trying to sound arrogant, I have yet to come across any argument that disproves any of the central doctrines of the Christian faith - or even that which is stated in the Bible as fact.
There may be arguments (such as the one raised earlier about contradictions in respect of works and grace) which is based on superficial understanding of the text and the context.
I have come to the conclusion (perhaps incorrectly so) that atheists "believe" in atheism without sound argument, but often as a result of "losing faith" in Christ-ianity. This is so sad and I do not know how a person that does not study the Bible is able to discern truth from lies offered from the pulpit of many "Christian" churches.
But one thing I know - God loves his people and will not let any of them go astray. Consider the guy on the cross next to Jesus - saved within the last hours of his life.
FACT - Fact and the Bible are contradictory in terms. Fact.
whatever

Warner Robins, GA

#10198 Jan 9, 2013
paarsurrey wrote:
I don't think it will ever happen; since there is not a single evidence with the atheists that the Creator God does not exist.
If you have give it here.
I totally agree with you. Since the dawn of time man has always had an inner void to fill. a void that cannot be fullfilled by anything in this world has to offer. Are we becoming robots just to exist? If that is the case, why even care about anything at all? If I don't have God somwhere in my life I am completely and utterly empty. That is proof in itself!! Yet you still have so many other signs and miracles that cannot or will not be explained by science.
whatever

Warner Robins, GA

#10199 Jan 9, 2013
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
The bible is full of errors, fakes and mistakes!
You know what, everything that bible teaches is the fundamentals of living a fulfilled clean and happy life. Its the twisted mind and hearts of people like you who can't understand it, so instead you mock it!!

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