Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

[Reason Personified]

MUQ wrote:

I think there is no further need for me to comment on this "fan mail" I received.
These people who all claim to be extremely knowledgeable , reasonable and logical.....are unable to answer this simple question I asked.
"Is according to atheist beliefs Adam and his victims became equals when they were dead?"
And
"Why more people should not follow the example of Adam".
No one answered these questions, and they went on criticising me and Islam and what I believe in.
The question of my beliefs was not a part of question I asked!!

True, there is no further need of your idiocy here. Your question has been answered repeatedly, it is you who can't or won't understand that we do not have the answer that you will accept, but instead we give the answer we know as truth.

Atheist beliefs are a non existent thing, atheist means not theist. There are no beliefs in not being a theist, just like there are no beliefs required for you not to be a Cajun woman, right. Those things that you aren't, do not require you to have beliefs, to not be those things, right? Atheist is not a chosen thing, it is the default, no human is theist, until they are indoctrinated. Before indoctrination, they are all atheist.

Death does make one anything, other than dead. So no' death did not make them equal, but it did make them dead.

The reason more people shouldn't follow Adam's example, is first of all Adam is a shitty example of someone to follow. Next he is dead, a murderer, a loser, a nut-case, a freak, not in any way a leader, and did I say loser? What is there to follow?

And criticizing is our way of outing the monstrous practices of your abhorrent and malicious religion.

[Reason Personified]

MUQ wrote:

Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-64
Our prophet was not only a preacher. He was also an able administrator and a just ruler.
Those who have experience of administration know when to act tough and when to act with leniency. A King, Ruler and President knows which criminal to pardon and which to get executed. Those who do not have this experience may only speak in idealistic terms. Such idealistic persons are never able to administer any country or state with efficiency.
Beside so many “Swords” which we have mentioned earlier on this thread. He also had a sword of steel. When no other sword worked and the only solution was to wield the sword of steel, he used that also.
Any one who has read his biography knows that how reluctantly he had to use it. We present below, some of these cases, where prophet had to use the sword of steel.
G. The Case of : JEWS OF BANI QURAIDHAH
This is the case which enemies of Islam highlight much and present our prophet as a "merciless killer" who witnessed the murder of whole Jewish tribe in cold blood and there is hardly any western biographer of Prophet's life who does not shed 'crocodiles tears' at the fate of these Jews.
But seeing the conduct of prophet with Jewish tribes of his time living in Arabia, before or after the JEWS OF BANI QURAIDHAH , we find that their case was an exception.
1. Prophet and his pact with Jewish Tribes of Madina:
When prophet came to Madina, three Jewish Tribes were living there and one of the First Act which prophet did was to write a pact of unified defense and co-existence between Muslims and these three jewish tribes.
They were given freedom to continue and practice their religion and live in Madina, and have a pact of 'joint defense' with Muslims should there be any outside attack. And they should live in peace and harmony and do not do any act which harms any party.
2. How Prophet dealt with Other Jewish Tribes:
But as it happens, these jewish tribes broke their pact with Muslims one by one. The first tribe was BANI QAINUQAH, who were asked to leave Madina with their possessions and arms … they went and settled with Jews of KHAIBAR and others.
The second were BANI NADHEER, who also broke the pact and prophet lay a siege to their locality and after a brief resistance, they surrendered to prophet and he asked them to leave Madina with household goods that can be carried on camels. They destroyed their own houses (so that Muslims should not use them) and loaded their goods on camels, and left Madina and got settled in KHAIBAR a Jewish Community some distance from Madina.
Then prophet conquered KHAIBAR and other Jewish communities like FADAK, TEIMA, etc. He made a peace pact with them on payment of Tribute which is called JIZYA in Arabic.
3. BANI QURAIZAH were exception and not the rule:
So we do not find that in ANY case of prophet dealing with Jews, where the punishment given to Jews of BANI QURAIZAH was repeated. And we do not know another case in 1400 years of Islamic history, where this rule was used against ANY people, be it Jews, Christians or Jews themselves.
So by any standard this was an exception, and people should look into what was the Crime of This Jewish Tribe and why they deserved Exemplary Punishment. And on another level we should see, if this was not the punishment which Torah itself provided.
(Contd.)

Just a suggestion: Which “Sword” did the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-64
64 times, at least, you have written it, wrongly. Re-word it, that way at least the sentence makes sense in English. And prophets using swords does not compute, just call him what he really was , he was a thug, and his followers still are.

[Reason Personified]

MUQ wrote:

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Reported to whom? GWB the Great? Or Obama or CIA or FBI?
Do you own the thread?

Topix administrators, who actually have rules as to what can be posted in these threads. These forums are for interaction between posters, and not for 4,000 word blocks of copy and paste crap.

[KittenKoder]

MUQ wrote:

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You can keep on heaping insults on dead Adam, or keep on praising him, how in the world it is going to harm him or help him?
So why people should not follow his example?
You did not give any reason for that.
Why you people act so dumb and forget the question which is being asked?
Is this a "sickness" you get when you decide to become an Atheist?

Only a sick person would follow his example, like all those sick Muslims who bomb buildings in the name of their imaginary god.

[Reason Personified]

MUQ wrote:

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You can keep on heaping insults on dead Adam, or keep on praising him, how in the world it is going to harm him or help him?
So why people should not follow his example?
You did not give any reason for that.
Why you people act so dumb and forget the question which is being asked?
Is this a "sickness" you get when you decide to become an Atheist?

Dead Adam? Is that the way you will refer to him? How funny. Is insult to the dead a problem for you?

Nothing said or not said, will ever help or hinder the dead. You keep saying we are not helping, what help should he receive from us? The intentions of our words, were never to even attempt helping or harming either the dead murderer or his victims, because either one is impossible. Helping would have been something that could have been done only before their deaths, but not after.

My answer for people not following"dead Adam's" example was in that post. I will repost it for you here. Will you not see it a second time? >> (The reason more people shouldn't follow Adam's example, is first of all Adam is a shitty example of someone to follow. Next he is dead, a murderer, a loser, a nut-case, a freak, not in any way a leader, and did I say loser? What is there to follow?) << Can you see it?

We don't forget the question, you intentionally won't see the answer, no matter how many times we post it.

Atheist is not something you decide to be, it is what all people are until they are indoctrinated. Non-beliver is also what people are until they are indoctrinated, but some are (after indoctrination attempts) disbelieving of the god claims and then deny the validity of theism. That is not the same as being atheist.

[jacktheladat1]

albtraum wrote:

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Already started!

I appear to have been beaten to the post.(No pun intended.) Every time mug clogs-up this thread, I'm alerting the owners. I know that someone will tire of that BEFORE me.

[Reason Personified]

MUQ wrote:

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Is that you call a "serious answer" to my question?
Edited by R.P. to fit 4000 word limit. All of original post in response.

MUQ wrote: Is that you call a "serious answer" to my question?
Reason Personified wrote: It is truth, why can't you accept it?
MUQ wrote: Are atheist a member of a "Loose type of group" that have NOTHING in common except their hate of god and religion?
Reason Personified wrote: No, an atheist is just not a theist. Every human is born atheist.
MUQ wrote: Is that how you define an Atheist?
Reason Personified wrote: It is the definition.
MUQ wrote: A person with inbuilt hate against god and religions?
Reason Personified wrote: No, just not a theist.
MUQ wrote: No doubt you people are so hateful in your talks and writings.
Reason Personified wrote: Again, no. Being atheist is just not being theist, just like you were before indoctrination.
MUQ wrote: How can any one create a society and civilization based on these negative thoughts?
Reason Personified wrote: What is negative about my not being a Thuggee? I am not a theist, that does not mean that a civilization needs to be constructed on my not having a god belief.
MUQ wrote: The communists tried to create a similar godless and religion less society in recent pasts and every one saw what it meant for humanity at large.
Reason Personified wrote: Not true, the communist didn't. Humanity is the reason that theism needs to be squashed down to nothing. How humane is the suicide bombers intent?
MUQ wrote: That is how atheists like you will build any civlization when you might get power.
Reason Personified wrote: No, we will not become communist, and we don't care how you use your religion in your own life, but you can't enforce it on us.
MUQ wrote: And that "belligerence" is visible from every word of your posts.
Reason Personified wrote: So are you going to answer, are we the ones who are sending suicide bombers out? Are we the ones thighing babies? Who do you let thigh your infant children, your brothers, the neighbors, any drunk stumbling into the community? Have you ever injured a baby with your penis? Were you punished?
MUQ wrote: The more simple and more basic questions I ask, you get hotter and hotter, because you have no answers to my questions.
Reason Personified wrote: The answers are posted. Open your eyes.
MUQ wrote: And I am enjoying all this, because it is the First time, I am asking the questions and you have to answer.
Reason Personified wrote: You are very silly, we do not have to answer your question. We did answer though, many times. It is you who will not see. Does your religion not allow you to see the truth?
MUQ wrote: All these days, it were you people who were bombarding me with questions!!
Reason Personified wrote: Did one of we atheist ask you questions that you will not answer? So answer, and it won't be asked again.
MUQ wrote: First you answer the questions I asked, and then we can revert to the normal state.
Reason Personified wrote: The questions were answered, and by normal ... do you mean you mindlessly spamming this thread?

[albtraum]

Reason Personified wrote:

<quoted text>Topix administrators, who actually have rules as to what can be posted in these threads. These forums are for interaction between posters, and not for 4,000 word blocks of copy and paste crap.

I really doubt s/he/it could comprehend the Terms Of Service Agreement. But then I seriously doubt that s/he/it read them at all.

[KittenKoder]

MUQ wrote:

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Was it the First such killing in your schools or will it be the last?
Before pointing fingers at others, first look at your country.
There is no shortage of sick people in your country. GWB the Great was one such sick person which dragged USA into a never ending war.

I didn't mention countries.

[Givemeliberty]

Reported to the mods for immediate deletion. We hav been very patient with you Muq. But you need to start answering questions like an adult and stop this childish clogging the thread up with your nonsense poorly written spam.

Keep spamming such garbage and yes it will be reported for immediate deletion and rightfully so.

MUQ wrote:

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Reported to whom? GWB the Great? Or Obama or CIA or FBI?
Do you own the thread?

[Givemeliberty]

Do you think Muslim suicide bombers go to heaven yes or no? You sure are asking lots of questions perhaps you can finally answer this one?

MUQ wrote:

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Was it the First such killing in your schools or will it be the last?
Before pointing fingers at others, first look at your country.
There is no shortage of sick people in your country. GWB the Great was one such sick person which dragged USA into a never ending war.

[Givemeliberty]

Exactly and especially when the poster troll spams again and again and again crap that is way off topic and pointless. Muq and Derek being the main culprits of this and both need to be repeatedly reported for it and have the admins and mods mass delete their spam.

Reason Personified wrote:

<quoted text>Topix administrators, who actually have rules as to what can be posted in these threads. These forums are for interaction between posters, and not for 4,000 word blocks of copy and paste crap.

[Kaitlin the Wolf Witch]

MUQ wrote:

Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-64
Our prophet was not only a preacher. He was also an able administrator and a just ruler.

And gay.

What a tap dancer!!

[Kaitlin the Wolf Witch]

MUQ wrote:

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Reported to whom? GWB the Great? Or Obama or CIA or FBI?....

Topix Administration, for violating the Terms of Service. Not that they really care.... So feel free to go on being....you.

[Kaitlin the Wolf Witch]

Reason Personified wrote:

<quoted text>Give us a positive definition of the word "negative".
Atheist = without theism.
Evolutionist = one who believes in evolution

No belief is required or even involved in the scientific field of evolution; it's an observable process.

[Kaitlin the Wolf Witch]

MUQ wrote:

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Was it the First such killing in your schools or will it be the last?
Before pointing fingers at others, first look at your country.
There is no shortage of sick people in your country. GWB the Great was one such sick person which dragged USA into a never ending war.

Is that a box cutter in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

[MUQ]

Compare this with total casualties during the life time of our prophet do not even reach 1000 (on both sides), and 400 of which were from this single incident of BANI QURAIZAH, otherwise it would be much lower.

And yet, these Jews have temerity to accuse our prophet of using sword to propagate his faith.

And Moses did not controlled this single fight, he sent his armies again and again and only God knows how many humans they killed in those campaigns.

And mind you, they NEVER gave the chance for these people to come and accept the religion of Jews!! There was no respite given to them except, God has given this land as our Inheritance, you MUST vacate it or get killed.

b. Joshua and use of Jewish laws of War:

Joshua used this law of war many times during his campaigns as we read in the fall of Jericho "They devoted the city to Lord and destroyed with the Sword every living thing in it- men and women- young and old, cattle sheep and donkey" (what was the crime of these poor animals?– MUQ)

And the example of Jericho is not a lone incident in the life of Joshua. In fact most of the book is filled with the heroics of Joshua and his people and how many of the enemies they killed.

If you add altogether, it would be close to a Million humans that were killed during the battles of Joshua and enemies of Israel.

And them compare it with a figure of 1000 during the time of our prophet. Who was a more 'peaceful warrior"?

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[Givemeliberty]

You already posted this off topic poorly written spam an now you repost it again? I see we need to start reporting you.

By the way did you forget this is the atheist forum? Why would we care about the Moses myth anymore than we care about the Muhammad myth?

MUQ wrote:

Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-64A
4. Jews and their Laws of War:

[jacktheladat1]

MUQ wrote:

Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-64A
4. Jews and their Laws of War:
And we should see, if Jews had not used this law against their enemies in the past. And we should also see if there were any Jewish Prophets who used this law against their enemies.
If it is proven that Jews did indeed used this law against their enemies, then there is no reason whatsoever that they should complain if they are subjected to the same law themselves.
Details of Jew's Law of War is mentioned in Deut. Chapter 20 which says:
"When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and work for you"
"If they refuse to make peace and engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to sword all the men in it. As for women and the children, an the livestock and every thing in it, you may take these as plunder for yourselves.… This is how you treat all the cities that are at a distance to you and do not belong to nations nearby"
"However in the cities of Nation that Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breaths. Completely destroy them….for HITTITES, AMORITS, CANNANITES, PERIZZITES, HIVITES, and JEBUSITES, as the Lord your God has commanded you" (Deut. 20 V 10-19)
Very TOUGH and Clear verses, don’t you say!!
5. Was this Jewish Law of war used by any Prophet of God?
No one should think that this law was only in the "stature books" and was NEVER used by Jews against their enemies. We find prophets of Jews using this law in their times against their enemies a number of time.
Let us see some examples:
a. Moses and his fight with MIDINITES:
In the book of Numbers chapter 31, we see Moses taking revenge against the Tribe of MIDINITES (under Close watch of YHWH) let us read some thing from it:
"The Lord said to Moses "take vengeance on the MIDINITES … they fought against the MIDINITES (12000 Israeli force, 1000 from each tribe - MUQ) as the Lord Commanded Moses and killed every man… and Israeli captured women and children and took all their herds, flocks and goods as plunder…
"Moses was angry with the officers of army, "Have you allowed all the women to live?.... Now kill all the boys and kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man (How soon these Jews forgot how were they treated by the Pharaoh and his people? It was their FIRST Generation who escaped from the punishment , now they want to do the same with their enemies- MUQ)
And do you know how many people were killed in one single battle? Just imagine, what is the percentage of women who have NEVER slept with a man in any society?(i.e. women between the age of 1-17?)….10 %?
"And they found 32,000 Women who had never slept with a man" (Num. Ch. 31:35)
So number of humans killed in One Single war of Moses against the TRIBE of MIDIANITE was close to 300,000 !!(If we assume that figures given in Bible are accurate- MUQ)

MUG Be advised, I have today (24/12/12) made the owners/moderators aware of your total ignorance to my warning, and warnings of other posters of your inconsiderate spamming in this forum. EACH time you spam, or fail to enter into debate sensibly in a proper, recognized and in an adult way, I shall consider it an affront aimed at me an resend without notice the CUT & PASTED report I've submitted to the owners/moderators today. MUG, consider yourself in receipt of a fair warning.

[Reason Personified]

MUQ wrote:

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I think you are under the false impression that you own this thread. And you are doing it on the eve of Christmas, so I think that you are full of booze.

And you are the false impression, that you own it. The many postings of yours that begin "Which sword the prophet used", are spam and they are against the topix rules.
Under the box that you type your responses into is in blue letters the topix.com 's "Terms of Service", I suggest you read them. It is what we all agree to when we join topix.com .