Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 23869 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#9666 Dec 13, 2012
The holy she camel gave mohammed head? He wasn't fussy, was he?
Givemeliberty wrote:
She was the head angel of Allah so he most likely left her vadge alone.
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Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#9667 Dec 13, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Agree totally. The Christians are always saying:
The Bible tells us it is the word of God. The word of God is perfect. So the Bible is perfect. Therefore the Bible is the word of God. And so on.
I'm a Christian and I'm willing to admit that the Bible isn't perfect. I've found a few mistranslations.
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#9668 Dec 13, 2012
jesus supported slavery. That's not a mistranslation.
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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I'm a Christian and I'm willing to admit that the Bible isn't perfect. I've found a few mistranslations.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#9669 Dec 13, 2012
nope, will always declare myself as a christian.
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#9670 Dec 13, 2012
Start the reactor.
douglasquaid wrote:
nope, will always declare myself as a christian.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#9671 Dec 13, 2012
Muq should answer. Maybe the 72 virgins they get in heaven are she camels?
Thinking wrote:
The holy she camel gave mohammed head? He wasn't fussy, was he?
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Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#9672 Dec 13, 2012
The whole issue with the 72 virgins thing, is being muslim virgins, they'll come with 72 murderous brothers, fathers and uncles that can't wait to honour kill the martyr the second he touches their darling bag headed bimbo.

Givemeliberty wrote:
Muq should answer. Maybe the 72 virgins they get in heaven are she camels?
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“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9673 Dec 13, 2012
rio wrote:
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Well, I never noticed. My boys never mentioned it.
I have never heard about that either.
There must be a 1/3 of men on earth who must be loosing out, according to you! LOL
Duh, how could you notice, or how could your sons, did you have parts of their bodies removed? You have already long ago lost the chance to ever know. Cut off your eyelids and see if your eye balls get less sensitive after a decade or two.

Do you know how sensitive a clitoris can be? It should be the exact same for the penis. If it isn't because of a non voluntary psychical mutilation, then you were robbed. The genital tissue in a developing fetus is the same for both the male and female. During fetal development the changes in those genital tissues are how we will visually decide if that child is a male or a female.

Think penis/clitoris, ovaries/testes, scrotal sac/labia, vas deferens/fallopian tubes. The outward appearance is how we say who our children are, and we are not always right, in judging only by what we can see. The fetus which begins as female, may become male during the very early stages of pregnancy.

Even after the child is born, the development continues, do you know that the testes drop from inside the body cavity of a male child, well after he has left the womb?

And by the way, yes those men are losing out, but then so are many women. In some cultures, the female mutilation is vastly different from that of the male. For her the clitoris is cut out, usually without anesthesia, the labia are removed and the vagina sewed shut. It is usually a life threatening trauma. This usually happens between 5 and 12 years old, and most likely she already knows how wonderful this part of her is.

Now she is made even less sensitive than the male who has been himself mutilated, these practices come only from people who are determined to control the sexuality of other humans.

Why were you born with parts that would need removal? Do you see a foreskin as like the sixth toe, or maybe an extra ear. Does the female clitoris seem that way, to you? If you are willing to mutilate one child, why not the other?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9674 Dec 13, 2012
rio wrote:
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This is getting even more bizarre by the minute!!
Do you know what you are talking about? I don't think so, so I suggest you read this:
Circumcision
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision
You will learn that circumcision is the partial removal of the foreskin. It is supposed to leave the gland intact!
Also, you think that only Muslims get circumcised? Don't you know that up to 1/3 of the male population WORLDWIDE is circumcised? I don't think there is any proof of inability to enjoy a normal sex life!! LMFAO
It is not an inability, but a lessened ability to enjoy sex. The clergy finds you easier to control then.

Google how many women are circumcised.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9675 Dec 13, 2012
Adam wrote:
1.


I realise you think the Quran is a masterpiece. But to those outside of the Muslim bubble, your claims are absurd. Many of the stories are simply a retelling of stories from the Bible.

You say that the whole of humanity cannot write a surah like from the Quran. I would say any fool could make up nonsense, and retell made up stories.



2.

MuQ: "That is why in Quran it is mentioned that it "Confirms the scripture which came before it and acts as their "protector""


3.

MUQ: "And on the other hand Quran "rejects" outright most of the "scandalous" stories that we see in Bible about Prophets of God. NONE of them is either mentioned and / or confirmed in Quran."

I disagree. The Quran confirms the Sharia type law of the OT. All those barbaric laws of Moses are confirmed in the Quran. That is why Islamic law includes stoning people to death and other primitive punishments.

The most scandalous story in the Quran is hell. This imaginary place is borrowed from christians. No compassionate entity would tolerate the existence of an eternal place of torture. Simply disgusting.
Ans.

The salient point in your post are:

A. Quran is no master piece of Arabic Literature:

B. Quran only “copies” stories from Bible.

C. How Quran “confirms and protects” scriptures came before it.

D. Quran “borrows” from Barbaric Laws of Moses:


E. Concept of Hell is most disgusting;

Any one can see that all these points are based on very superficial knowledge of Quran and Bible. I will provide short answers to all these points.

A. Quran is no master piece of Arabic Literature:

01. To decide an issue of this nature, we do not need “opinions” of street persons, but those who have knowledge about Arabic Literature.

02. Any one who has even the least knowledge of Arabic language and its literature, knows the position of Quran as “extreme example” of superlative Arabic literature.

03. It is not only the literary excellence but the loftiness of ideas and the ease in which it tackles, legal, social, moral, and spiritual issues with equal ease. It shifts from one to another as quickly as no human can do.

04. That is why, no one can bring anything comparing Quran. You only display your ignorance and no knowledge of Arabic literature when you make such statements.

B. Quran only “copies” stories from Bible.

05. This is “common and stereo type” charge which is placed on Quran.

06. Quranic stories of prophets are fundamentally different from those of Bible. In Bible the emphasis is on “Historical side” of the story and a long list of genealogies.

07. Quran deals with the “moral side” of the story and uses it as an example of how Prophets of God preached to their people.

08. Comparing Biblical and Quranic stories is like comparing Chalk against Cheese! There is outward similarity, but in taste and smell they are different.

09. And the “best” example of this is in the story of “prophet Jesus” as mentioned in Bible (Ch. 37 to Ch.50 of Genesis and Chapter 12 of Quran). I have written a monograph about that which is available in www.scribd.com


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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9676 Dec 13, 2012
C. How Quran “confirms and protects” scriptures came before it.

10. I will give you some example, how Quran “confirms” and “protects” the Scripture that came before him.

a. Example of Creation of Heavens and Earth:

Both Quran and Bible agree that God created heavens and earth is six days (what days means in Bible and Quran is a different topic).

But Bible says that “God rested on seventh day and Hallowed it”…. But Quran says “We created heavens and earth is six days and no fatigue touched Us”

You can see the “confirmation and protection” part here.

b. Story of Adam and Eve:

Both Bible and Quran say that Adam and eve disobeyed God and ate of the forbidden fruit, that is the confirmation part.

But Bible does not mention anything about Adam asking forgiveness from God (which gave the idea of “original sin” to some people after thousands of years of the event)….. But Quran says that both Adam and Eve repented and God forgave them.

c. Story of Jesus’ creation:

Bible and Quran agree that Jesus was born without any human father….. But Biblical writers go and claim that Jesus is Son of God, but Quran denies and says God has no sons, no daughters and no wives.

You can see the “confirmation and protection”

There are hundreds of examples like this, which shows how Quran confirms and protects Scriptures that came before it.

D. Quran “borrows” from Barbaric Laws of Moses:

11. Quran does not “copy and confirm” all the laws of Bible. It only confirms which are for all ages and time. But it modifies most of which have overgrown their effectiveness.

12. Yes it confirms stoning of adulterer and adulteress, but it asks for “four eye witness” and relaxes the law for unmarried boys and girls.

13. Anyone comparing laws of Quran and Bible would realize that Islamic laws are a “balance between two extremes”…. On one extreme is Jewish law and on another side is the Christian Law (which is zero law in fact!!)

E. Concept of Hell is most disgusting:

14. You might find it unreasonable and disgusting,
but it would not cause heavens and hell to disappear!!

15. Some one may “think” that humans having two hands and two feet is “laughable and disgusting and very disgusting”.

May be it is, but humans “shall be born” with two hands and Two feet!!

The same is the case with Heavens and Hell. When the Creator Says that they exist, then they do exist!!

We should try to not do anything that send us to Hell, because “our Understanding can wait”, once we are removed from it!!

What “use” it would be to you, if you “get convinced that They are real” after going there?

So take care my Dear Friend while you have time!!

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9677 Dec 13, 2012
rio wrote:
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Really and truly pathetic!
And what about non-believers, atheists even, who want their boys circumcised?
I can also think of plenty of instances where the taxpayers' money is wasted; want to talk about that?
Who gives a shit what the parent wants the child's genitalia to look like. It is only the adult who should make such a decision for themselves. Consider the horror stories, connected to these barbaric practices. Boys who have had the entire penis sliced off by accident, then the doctors who put choose to cover by putting "female" on the birth certificate. Or the babies dying of hepatitis, which was contracted from the Rabbi's who suck the blood from the infants bleeding penis. These things happen, and people like you who happily accept it, help keep it happening. Outrage is the only proper reaction.
Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#9678 Dec 13, 2012
More muslim special ham.
MUQ wrote:
C. How Quran “confirms and protects” scriptures came before it.
10. I will give you some example, how Quran “confirms” and “protects” the Scripture that came before him.
a. Example of Creation of Heavens and Earth:
Both Quran and Bible agree that God created heavens and earth is six days (what days means in Bible and Quran is a different topic).
But Bible says that “God rested on seventh day and Hallowed it”…. But Quran says “We created heavens and earth is six days and no fatigue touched Us”
You can see the “confirmation and protection” part here.
b. Story of Adam and Eve:
Both Bible and Quran say that Adam and eve disobeyed God and ate of the forbidden fruit, that is the confirmation part.
But Bible does not mention anything about Adam asking forgiveness from God (which gave the idea of “original sin” to some people after thousands of years of the event)….. But Quran says that both Adam and Eve repented and God forgave them.
c. Story of Jesus’ creation:
Bible and Quran agree that Jesus was born without any human father….. But Biblical writers go and claim that Jesus is Son of God, but Quran denies and says God has no sons, no daughters and no wives.
You can see the “confirmation and protection”
There are hundreds of examples like this, which shows how Quran confirms and protects Scriptures that came before it.
D. Quran “borrows” from Barbaric Laws of Moses:
11. Quran does not “copy and confirm” all the laws of Bible. It only confirms which are for all ages and time. But it modifies most of which have overgrown their effectiveness.
12. Yes it confirms stoning of adulterer and adulteress, but it asks for “four eye witness” and relaxes the law for unmarried boys and girls.
13. Anyone comparing laws of Quran and Bible would realize that Islamic laws are a “balance between two extremes”…. On one extreme is Jewish law and on another side is the Christian Law (which is zero law in fact!!)
E. Concept of Hell is most disgusting:
14. You might find it unreasonable and disgusting,
but it would not cause heavens and hell to disappear!!
15. Some one may “think” that humans having two hands and two feet is “laughable and disgusting and very disgusting”.
May be it is, but humans “shall be born” with two hands and Two feet!!
The same is the case with Heavens and Hell. When the Creator Says that they exist, then they do exist!!
We should try to not do anything that send us to Hell, because “our Understanding can wait”, once we are removed from it!!
What “use” it would be to you, if you “get convinced that They are real” after going there?
So take care my Dear Friend while you have time!!

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#9679 Dec 14, 2012
It's the typical Muslim use lots of words but don't actually say anything. Some would say people being born with two arms and two legs is disgusting? Lmfao!

It all boils down to this. Muslims believe in the Quran because they were forced to do so under threat of death for so many generations.
Thinking wrote:
More muslim special ham.
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Thinking

Cirencester, UK

#9680 Dec 14, 2012
The holy she camel's probably OK though.
Givemeliberty wrote:
It's the typical Muslim use lots of words but don't actually say anything. Some would say people being born with two arms and two legs is disgusting? Lmfao!
It all boils down to this. Muslims believe in the Quran because they were forced to do so under threat of death for so many generations.
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Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9681 Dec 14, 2012
MUQ: "Both Quran and Bible agree that God created heavens and earth is six days (what days means in Bible and Quran is a different topic)."

They both say the same thing, because the Bible is the main source document for the copy and paste job known as the Quran.

Let me illustrate:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night." Genesis 1

"Praise be God, Who created the heavens and the earth, and made the darkness and the light. Yet those who reject Faith hold (others) as equal, with their Guardian-Lord." Quran
"And We appoint the night and the day two portents. Then We make dark the portent of the night, and We make the portent of the day sight-giving, that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the computation of the years, and the reckoning; and everything have We expounded with a clear expounding." Quran

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." Genesis 1

"And He it is Who has created the heavens and the earth in six Days and His Throne was on the water." Quran

"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day." Genesis 1

"Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water? Will they not then believe?" Quran

"And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself," Genesis 1

"And the earth - We have spread it forth and made in it firm mountains and caused to grow in it of every suitable thing." Quran

and so on.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9682 Dec 14, 2012
continued/ And we all know that the earth was NOT formed in 6 days 6000 years ago. Which proves that BOTH the Bible and the Quran are not inspired, or dictated by any supernatural entity.

They are simply based on Jewish myths and legends. The better stories in the Quran are taken directly from the Bible, stories about Moses, Joseph and his dreamcoat, Jonah and the whale, stories about Jesus etc. These stories are retold and given a different spin, but are essentially the same. The more bizarre stories in the Quran such as the she camel, flying horse, 72 virgin, etc, are what Muhammed takes from Arab fables. Muq, anyone not in the religious bubble of delusion can understand this.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#9685 Dec 14, 2012
The Holy She Camel of Allah is a sacred angel in Islam I wonder why Muq won't speak about her?
Thinking wrote:
The holy she camel's probably OK though.
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MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#9686 Dec 14, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-63

Our prophet was not only a preacher. He was also an able administrator and a just ruler.

Those who have experience of administration know when to act tough and when to act with leniency. A King, Ruler and President knows which criminal to pardon and which to get executed. Those who do not have this experience may only speak in idealistic terms. Such idealistic persons are never able to administer any country or state with efficiency.

Beside so many “Swords” which we have mentioned earlier on this thread. He also had a sword of steel. When no other sword worked and the only solution was to wield the sword of steel, he used that also.

Any one who has read his biography knows that how reluctantly he had to use it. We present below, some of these cases, where prophet had to use the sword of steel.

The case of : MUSAILAMAH “AL KADDAB”(THE BIG LIAR) FROM TRIBE OF BANI HANIFA

When prophet declared his mission, no one in Arabia knew about Prophet hood, revelation and guidance coming from heavens etc. These things were new to people living in Arabia, that is why his message looked and sounded so strange to people of Makkah in particular and Arabia in general.

But due to his perseverance and his constancy and his efforts, every one in Arabia came to know about these things and after the conquest of Makkah, his message reached to every part of Arabia.

His success put ideas into minds of people who wanted to duplicate his mission and therefore many false prophet stood up, during the last few years of his life. These false prophets caused a wave of apostasy in whole of Arabia when the prophet breathed his last.

His companions and especially Abu Bakr the First Caliph of Islam had to spend his utmost effort and strength of character to silence these false prophets and apostates of Arabia.

First and foremost of these false prophets was MUSAILAMAH nicknamed “Al KADDAB (the Big liar)” by prophet himself.

MUSAILAMAH belonged to the tribe of BANI HANIFA that lived in Najd areas of Arabia. His tribe were known for their strength and their fighting skills and ferocity. When the delegation of BANU HANIFA came to Madina in 9AH, MUSAILAMAH also was one of the members.

They spoke to prophet about Islam and MUSAILAMAH told prophet that if he would nominate him his successor, he would become Muslim.

Prophet was having a stick in his hand and he said “He would not even give him this stick as a condition to becoming Islam”. The mission returned empty handed.

MUSAILAMAH wrote a letter to prophet after reaching his home saying “Allah has made me a prophet as He made you a prophet. He has divided the land of Arabia between us. But QURAISH (tribe of prophet) are a treacherous people”.

The prophet replied as follows:

“From Mohammad the Prophet of Allah to MUSAILAMAH AL KADDAB

Peace be on to who accepted guidance. Afterwards “The earth belongs to Allah and He bestows it to whom He Wishes”

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MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#9687 Dec 14, 2012
MUSAILAMAH After death of prophet:

When prophet died, MUSAILAMAH declared his mission with force and most people of his and surrounding tribes accepted his mission, and turned back from Islam.

Abu Bakr the first Caliph of Islam sent Muslim armies to all parts of Arabia to suppress those false prophets and people who had become apostate.

He dispatched IKRIMAH towards BANI HANIFA, but he failed in his mission as the enemy was too strong. Abu Bakr sent some enforcement but they also could not defeat him. Finally Abu Bakr sent KHALID BIN WALEED to MUSAILAMAH asking him to finish his menace.

Muslims under KHALID had to fight a tough battle MUSAILAMAH and his tribe. The battle was harshest which Muslims had to face so far. More than 700 Companions of prophet lost their lives in this battle that included more than 70 Muslims who had memorized the Quran in full.

MUSAILAMAH himself was slain by WAHSHI, the same Abyssinian slave, who had killed HAMZA the uncle of prophet in the battle of OHUD, thus compensating somewhat for that dastardly act.

Such was the case of MUSAILAMAH the False prophet, do did do immense damage to Islam and Muslims in his short mission. Nonetheless, his name and deed are to be found only in Islamic History books and there is no one who takes or remembers his name any more.

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