Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

[Andre]

MUQ wrote:

To: Mr. Andre
C. Abolish the Law:
On the other hand, you instead of tackling the problem on reason and logic went to quote extensively from Bible and expound the theology of Christianity.
There was no shortcoming in the Law by itself; people did not follow it because they did not want to follow it.
Whatever changes needed due to changing circumstances, might be covered by modifying it, but to abolish the law altogether, so that no one is found guilty of breaking the law, looks very strange.
D. Is "No Law" can work in other fields too?
Why can't the same principle work in other spheres too? Do we not see so many "imperfect" laws on Economy / Taxation / Traffic / Law and Order…. Since no one is able to follow them fully, would it be OK to abolish the entire laws so that no one is every found guilty of breaking any law?
So the Christian principle of abolishing law entirely is based unreasonable, and illogical.
E. No Law for not preached by any Prophet of God:
And more so, this idea was not preached by Jesus Christ, a prophet of God, but by St. Paul, who did not meet Jesus during his life time and did not learn any thing from him.
F. Back to original question:
You have not answered my question as to what was the name of religion of all past prophets? It was not Judaism, it was not Buddhism, it was not Hinduism, it was not Christianity, then what are we left with?

You seem to be unfamiliar with the basic teachings of Christianity and did not heed the comments I made earlier. The law stands for those that are under the law (thus not under grace)
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
But
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
In essence then, the law stands, so based on that, all of us are guilty. But Christ died for our sins (judgement under the law) so we can live free from condemnation, but at the same time not free to sin (because of being regenerated and now hate sin)
This is an aspect that many Christians also struggle with – law v grace.

You will also know that the “standard” for right living was raised by Jesus and addressed the heart of the law rather than the letter:

Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
And
Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

So, far from abolishing God’s standards, Jesus expounded it further. You will possibly know the story of the rich young ruler, that obeyed the law from childhood, but still realised he was not justified. Jesus addressed the heart:
Mar 10:17 And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Mar 10:22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

(contd)

[Andre]

MUQ wrote:

To: Mr. Andre
E. No Law for not preached by any Prophet of God:
And more so, this idea was not preached by Jesus Christ, a prophet of God, but by St. Paul, who did not meet Jesus during his life time and did not learn any thing from him.

You are correct.“No law” was never preached by anyone, including Paul. To the contrary, see Paul:
Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Paul basically states that the law does not justify but bring us to Christ (we realise we are sinners by means of the law)

F. Back to original question:
You have not answered my question as to what was the name of religion of all past prophets? It was not Judaism, it was not Buddhism, it was not Hinduism, it was not Christianity, then what are we left with?

Atheism?
Just "pulling your leg".

The name is irrelevant and does not form part of the religion as such – it is a descriptive term – The name of “Christian” was initially given to the disciples in Antioch
Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

There are cults that call themselves Christian, but do not hold to the central doctrines taught in the Bible. A name means nothing other than being a label.

I know you don't keep Christmas. All the same, I trust you will have a good time until we speak again.(DV)

[Thinking]

MUCK also tries to blame all Female Genital Mutilation on non muslims.

Givemeliberty wrote:

The Saudi's need toilet scrubbers that's why Muq is there.
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[Givemeliberty]

I think you meant to ask. Why should there be so many religions?

Answer: there's a lot of idiots who fall for ancient Palestinian myths. Saudi Arabia is full of these retards!

MUQ wrote:

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Just try to answer this very simple question "Why there should be so many religions"?

[Givemeliberty]

By order of the prophet Muhammad and Allah's holy she camel mutilate those little girl's genitals!

Lol!

Thinking wrote:

MUCK also tries to blame all Female Genital Mutilation on non muslims.
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[Adam]

Andre wrote:

<quoted text>There are cults that call themselves Christian, but do not hold to the central doctrines taught in the Bible.

Andre, Why are you pimping for Jebus here on the Atheism forum? News for you fella, Christianity is itself a cult. Yes, you fundies are cult follows.

I dont think Muq is going to buy the trinity 3=1, paul's teaching or any nonsense. Cause to those outside of the christian bubble it is easy to see how ludicrous a religion it is. in the same way you see Islam's faults, whilst being immune of the problems with your own religion. Thats how it works, both you and muq just believe what uou believe cause of what you were indoctrinated into believing.

[Adam]

MUQ wrote:

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Compared to that the number of women who had not slept with men (all rest of male, women, old people. Children being killed) were 32,000, in a Single Battle of Moses (Numbers Chapter 31). And how many people Joshua and David and Solomon killed.
And I do not know you using that title for any of the Jewish prophets?

The reason I do not criticise these "prophets" is because in all liklihood these events in the old testament were fiction. Scholars estimate the OT was put together in the 5-6th century BC. With the oldest fragments dated 2nd century BC. So the stories of these "prophets" are highly dubious.

But in terms of what they record, the Sharia type law in the OT and the genocides committed, it is primtive stuff indeed. Much like another religion we know!

[Givemeliberty]

Why won't Muq talk about Allah's holy she-camel? In Islam if this angel camel comes to you and speaks it is the highest honor!

Lmfao!

[Thinking]

Muqqing hell that's a funny story.
Even from an apologist's website it is funny.

www.quranandscience.com/historical/268-the-ro...

I've pretty much exhausted the bible for comic content.
Need to do the same for the koran next.

Givemeliberty wrote:

Why won't Muq talk about Allah's holy she-camel? In Islam if this angel camel comes to you and speaks it is the highest honor!
Lmfao!

[Adam]

MUQ wrote:

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Noticed you dont use "peace be upon him" after names of "prophets". Why is this? I thought this was compulsory for you guys. Also you discuss internal jihad rather than war. Do you consider yourself a liberal or a moderate muslim?

[Givemeliberty]

It is muqqing funny! I have asked dumbfuckmuq about the holy she camel of Allah before and he refuses to speak about this most holy prophet of Islam.

I guess he is ashamed of the she camel!

Thinking wrote:

Muqqing hell that's a funny story.
Even from an apologist's website it is funny.
www.quranandscience.com/historical/268-the-ro...
I've pretty much exhausted the bible for comic content.
Need to do the same for the koran next.
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[Thinking]

Is that why muslims interfere with the camel toes of little girls?

islamic Female Genital Mutilation needs to stop ASAP.

Givemeliberty wrote:

It is muqqing funny! I have asked dumbfuckmuq about the holy she camel of Allah before and he refuses to speak about this most holy prophet of Islam.
I guess he is ashamed of the she camel!
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[EdSed]

http://www.dailylife.com.au/life-and-love/rea...

Malala latest...
http://www.siasat.com/english/news/zardari-vi...
..[President of Pakistan] Zardari, who will be accompanied by Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar, will meet Malala after an official visit to Iran, officials said. In several recent speeches, Zardari has referred to Malala as a symbol of Pakistan's resistance against the Taliban's attempts to enforce its mindset and agenda behind the facade of religion.

Malala and her two classmates were injured in an attack by the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan in the former militant stronghold of Swat on 9th October.
Unquote.

[MUQ]

Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-59

Our prophet was not only a preacher. He was also an able administrator and a just ruler.

Those who have experience of administration know when to act tough and when to act with leniency. A King, Ruler and President knows which criminal to pardon and which to get executed. Those who do not have this experience may only speak in idealistic terms. Such idealistic persons are never able to administer any country or state with efficiency.

Beside so many “Swords” which we have mentioned earlier on this thread. He also had a sword of steel. When no other sword worked and the only solution was to wield the sword of steel, he used that also.

Any one who has read his biography knows that how reluctantly he had to use it. We present below, some of these cases, where prophet had to use the sword of steel.

E. The Case of : IBN KHATAL

When people declared general amnesty to people of Makkah, when he had conquered it, he made certain exceptions.

There were eight or 10 people who were not given amnesty. Some of them were murderers who had taken refuge in Makkah and there were some who were ring leaders or had done some heinous crimes and there was no amnesty given to them.

But after some time gap, some of them were also given amnesty and only three or four persons were actually executed. This established prophet’ position as a just and merciful conqueror and not only an idealist or cruel warrior.

IBN KHATAL had earlier accepted Islam, Prophet sent him with some persons to collect ZAKAT from some tribes outside Madina. They collected ZAKAT, but had some dispute amongst them.

IBN KHATAL killed these people and went to Makkah with the collected ZAKAT. He also went back on Islam and took refuge in Makkah where he was given full protection. When Muslim armies marched towards Makkah, he took his arms to resist them but when he saw that he cannot do much, he threw his arms and went to Kaaba and hid himself in the curtains of Kaaba.

When prophet declared general amnesty, he included IBN KHATAL ‘s name amongst the people who were exempted. It was told to prophet that IBN KHATAL has hidden himself under curtains of Kaaba, prophet said “Kill him”

So he was dragged from there and was executed for the murder he had committed. Kaaba is not a sanctuary for murderers and thieves and robbers. It is a place of peace for those who behave peacefully. Otherwise it would become den and refuge for these criminals.

F. The Case of : TWO SINGING GIRLS OF MAKKAH

These two singing girl slaves of Makkah were also exempted from the general amnesty declared by the prophet. Their crime was that they used to sing the hate poetry and used to lampoon the personality of prophet and muslims.

Their master was ABU LAHAB, real Uncle of the prophet and one of the foremost enemies of Islam and Prophet.

Prophet pardoned other people of Makkah, but not such people who made fun of Islam and prophet’s personality. In those days poetry was the foremost medium of spreading hate and bias against Islam and prophet.

That is why, prophet chose to punish such persons and make them as example for others. So these slave girls were deeded fit to taste “Steel Sword wielded by the prophet” and they met fitting end to their disgraceful careers.

[Givemeliberty]

What sword did Muhammad use to protect the holy she camel of Allah?

Why are you ashamed to talk about this Muq?

[Thinking]

islamic Female Genital Mutilation casts shame over your religion.
You can have no honour while islamic Female Genital Mutilation exists.
Where is the justification for that in the koran?

MUQ wrote:

Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-59
Our prophet was not only a preacher. He was also an able administrator and a just ruler.
Those who have experience of administration know when to act tough and when to act with leniency. A King, Ruler and President knows which criminal to pardon and which to get executed. Those who do not have this experience may only speak in idealistic terms. Such idealistic persons are never able to administer any country or state with efficiency.
Beside so many “Swords” which we have mentioned earlier on this thread. He also had a sword of steel. When no other sword worked and the only solution was to wield the sword of steel, he used that also.
Any one who has read his biography knows that how reluctantly he had to use it. We present below, some of these cases, where prophet had to use the sword of steel.
E. The Case of : IBN KHATAL
When people declared general amnesty to people of Makkah, when he had conquered it, he made certain exceptions.
There were eight or 10 people who were not given amnesty. Some of them were murderers who had taken refuge in Makkah and there were some who were ring leaders or had done some heinous crimes and there was no amnesty given to them.
But after some time gap, some of them were also given amnesty and only three or four persons were actually executed. This established prophet’ position as a just and merciful conqueror and not only an idealist or cruel warrior.
IBN KHATAL had earlier accepted Islam, Prophet sent him with some persons to collect ZAKAT from some tribes outside Madina. They collected ZAKAT, but had some dispute amongst them.
IBN KHATAL killed these people and went to Makkah with the collected ZAKAT. He also went back on Islam and took refuge in Makkah where he was given full protection. When Muslim armies marched towards Makkah, he took his arms to resist them but when he saw that he cannot do much, he threw his arms and went to Kaaba and hid himself in the curtains of Kaaba.
When prophet declared general amnesty, he included IBN KHATAL ‘s name amongst the people who were exempted. It was told to prophet that IBN KHATAL has hidden himself under curtains of Kaaba, prophet said “Kill him”
So he was dragged from there and was executed for the murder he had committed. Kaaba is not a sanctuary for murderers and thieves and robbers. It is a place of peace for those who behave peacefully. Otherwise it would become den and refuge for these criminals.
F. The Case of : TWO SINGING GIRLS OF MAKKAH
These two singing girl slaves of Makkah were also exempted from the general amnesty declared by the prophet. Their crime was that they used to sing the hate poetry and used to lampoon the personality of prophet and muslims.
Their master was ABU LAHAB, real Uncle of the prophet and one of the foremost enemies of Islam and Prophet.
Prophet pardoned other people of Makkah, but not such people who made fun of Islam and prophet’s personality. In those days poetry was the foremost medium of spreading hate and bias against Islam and prophet.
That is why, prophet chose to punish such persons and make them as example for others. So these slave girls were deeded fit to taste “Steel Sword wielded by the prophet” and they met fitting end to their disgraceful careers.

[Givemeliberty]

Well said and we see yet another hand picked example by Muq that shows the prophet savagely butchering people and proudly having slave girls.

And he thinks this makes Islam look good? It only shows that they are animals.

He should talk about the holy she camel of Allah.

Thinking wrote:

islamic Female Genital Mutilation casts shame over your religion.
You can have no honour while islamic Female Genital Mutilation exists.
Where is the justification for that in the koran?
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[-Skeptic-]

MUQ wrote:

Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-59
Our prophet was not only a preacher. He was also an able administrator and a just ruler.
Those who have experience of administration know when to act tough and when to act with leniency. A King, Ruler and President knows which criminal to pardon and which to get executed. Those who do not have this experience may only speak in idealistic terms. Such idealistic persons are never able to administer any country or state with efficiency.
Beside so many “Swords” which we have mentioned earlier on this thread. He also had a sword of steel. When no other sword worked and the only solution was to wield the sword of steel, he used that also.
Any one who has read his biography knows that how reluctantly he had to use it. We present below, some of these cases, where prophet had to use the sword of steel.
E. The Case of : IBN KHATAL
When people declared general amnesty to people of Makkah, when he had conquered it, he made certain exceptions.
There were eight or 10 people who were not given amnesty. Some of them were murderers who had taken refuge in Makkah and there were some who were ring leaders or had done some heinous crimes and there was no amnesty given to them.
But after some time gap, some of them were also given amnesty and only three or four persons were actually executed. This established prophet’ position as a just and merciful conqueror and not only an idealist or cruel warrior.
IBN KHATAL had earlier accepted Islam, Prophet sent him with some persons to collect ZAKAT from some tribes outside Madina. They collected ZAKAT, but had some dispute amongst them.
IBN KHATAL killed these people and went to Makkah with the collected ZAKAT. He also went back on Islam and took refuge in Makkah where he was given full protection. When Muslim armies marched towards Makkah, he took his arms to resist them but when he saw that he cannot do much, he threw his arms and went to Kaaba and hid himself in the curtains of Kaaba.
When prophet declared general amnesty, he included IBN KHATAL ‘s name amongst the people who were exempted. It was told to prophet that IBN KHATAL has hidden himself under curtains of Kaaba, prophet said “Kill him”
So he was dragged from there and was executed for the murder he had committed. Kaaba is not a sanctuary for murderers and thieves and robbers. It is a place of peace for those who behave peacefully. Otherwise it would become den and refuge for these criminals.
F. The Case of : TWO SINGING GIRLS OF MAKKAH
These two singing girl slaves of Makkah were also exempted from the general amnesty declared by the prophet. Their crime was that they used to sing the hate poetry and used to lampoon the personality of prophet and muslims.
Their master was ABU LAHAB, real Uncle of the prophet and one of the foremost enemies of Islam and Prophet.
Prophet pardoned other people of Makkah, but not such people who made fun of Islam and prophet’s personality. In those days poetry was the foremost medium of spreading hate and bias against Islam and prophet.
That is why, prophet chose to punish such persons and make them as example for others. So these slave girls were deeded fit to taste “Steel Sword wielded by the prophet” and they met fitting end to their disgraceful careers.

Liar with no proof of god.

[Very Cynical Person]

MUQ wrote:

Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-59
Our prophet was not only a preacher. He was also an able administrator and a just ruler.
Those who have experience of administration know when to act tough and when to act with leniency. A King, Ruler and President knows which criminal to pardon and which to get executed. Those who do not have this experience may only speak in idealistic terms. Such idealistic persons are never able to administer any country or state with efficiency.
Beside so many “Swords” which we have mentioned earlier on this thread. He also had a sword of steel. When no other sword worked and the only solution was to wield the sword of steel, he used that also.
Any one who has read his biography knows that how reluctantly he had to use it. We present below, some of these cases, where prophet had to use the sword of steel.
E. The Case of : IBN KHATAL
When people declared general amnesty to people of Makkah, when he had conquered it, he made certain exceptions.
There were eight or 10 people who were not given amnesty. Some of them were murderers who had taken refuge in Makkah and there were some who were ring leaders or had done some heinous crimes and there was no amnesty given to them.
But after some time gap, some of them were also given amnesty and only three or four persons were actually executed. This established prophet’ position as a just and merciful conqueror and not only an idealist or cruel warrior.
IBN KHATAL had earlier accepted Islam, Prophet sent him with some persons to collect ZAKAT from some tribes outside Madina. They collected ZAKAT, but had some dispute amongst them.
IBN KHATAL killed these people and went to Makkah with the collected ZAKAT. He also went back on Islam and took refuge in Makkah where he was given full protection. When Muslim armies marched towards Makkah, he took his arms to resist them but when he saw that he cannot do much, he threw his arms and went to Kaaba and hid himself in the curtains of Kaaba.
When prophet declared general amnesty, he included IBN KHATAL ‘s name amongst the people who were exempted. It was told to prophet that IBN KHATAL has hidden himself under curtains of Kaaba, prophet said “Kill him”
So he was dragged from there and was executed for the murder he had committed. Kaaba is not a sanctuary for murderers and thieves and robbers. It is a place of peace for those who behave peacefully. Otherwise it would become den and refuge for these criminals.
F. The Case of : TWO SINGING GIRLS OF MAKKAH
These two singing girl slaves of Makkah were also exempted from the general amnesty declared by the prophet. Their crime was that they used to sing the hate poetry and used to lampoon the personality of prophet and muslims.
Their master was ABU LAHAB, real Uncle of the prophet and one of the foremost enemies of Islam and Prophet.
Prophet pardoned other people of Makkah, but not such people who made fun of Islam and prophet’s personality. In those days poetry was the foremost medium of spreading hate and bias against Islam and prophet.
That is why, prophet chose to punish such persons and make them as example for others. So these slave girls were deeded fit to taste “Steel Sword wielded by the prophet” and they met fitting end to their disgraceful careers.

I have read and can see by your own writings that this religion of yours is a disgrace.

I believe in goodness and not the hate you and your religion have.

Thank you for all your writings it just confirms the lack of morals and values that your religion has compared to the world and the good people of this world.

[MUQ]

1 OT Being Fiction:

Just because things being transmitted thru word of mouth from generations to generation means that they are fiction.

It is correct that OT books were written many centuries after their original writers does not mean that they are fiction. They might not be revealed word of God, but they do contain words of God.

Quran confirms many things for OT and NT books and those can be treated as authentic.

2. Using "peace be on him": This is being followed in our vernacular language and we add the term "ALAIHI ALSALAAM" (i.e. Peace be on him) after the name of every prophet, but on these thread, and in line with the practice used by Jews and Christians, we try to use their names without this salutation.

3. Jihad is a comprehensive term that includes war also. In Arabic the term means to strive or to struggle. We are asked to use every means available with us to preach and propagate the message of Islam and defend it against its enemies.
Adam wrote:
1.

The reason I do not criticize these "prophets" is because in all likelihood these events in the old testament were fiction. Scholars estimate the OT was put together in the 5-6th century BC. With the oldest fragments dated 2nd century BC. So the stories of these "prophets" are highly dubious.

But in terms of what they record, the Shariah type law in the OT and the genocides committed, it is primitive stuff indeed. Much like another religion we know!

2.

Noticed you don't use "peace be upon him" after names of "prophets". Why is this? I thought this was compulsory for you guys.

3. Also you discuss internal jihad rather than war. Do you consider yourself a liberal or a moderate muslim?

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