Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9473 Nov 29, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Muq-ster, wouldnt you have more success in trying to convert Christians or Hindus? Just to remind you of the obvious, this is the Atheism forum.
We dont believe in the existence of gods. We also dont believe in your prophet, or any other prophet for that matter. So why would we care if your prophet is a noble person or a bad person.
We dont pray, we dont believe any book is divine, or in any kind of superstition, supernatural or paranormal beliefs.
Hope this is clear :)
My aim is not to covert any one, my aim is to deliver the message of Islam to every one. It is upon people to accept it or not to accept it.

This is my duty as a Muslim, and I shall be asked about it.

What you do is your outlook, I will not be asked about it.

I am present to clear all your doubts and misunderstandings about Islam. And there are plenty because due to media hype, most people even do not have basic concept what is Islam.

But due to ignorance, such people are in the forefront of calling for ban on Islam and Muslims.

To them it is a "news" when we say all prophets were Muslims!!
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#9474 Nov 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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Yeah, then why do christians hate so much, all the time, and attack anything that is different than them?
I'll answer that for you, because the same book you got that one small bit from contains a lot more "kill those who are different" than anything. It's part of the con. Now if you're going to cite bits, you need to finish reading it first.
I agree to some extent. There are many "Christians" that attack, lie, judge, slander, insult and ridicule those that have different opinions. Both you and I can cite many instances. This is however not in agreement with Biblical principles. But there are also those that try to live lives according to the Word of God,and those would heed Jesus' commands (albeit that they may also stumble from time to time).

This does not mean that to try and live a godly life, you are required not to oppose views/actions that is contrary to your beliefs -but hopefully this can be done in a decent manner. If you took the life of Jesus, he was often accused of mixing with sinners. Now did Jesus condone their sin? Not at all, but through parables explained the truths of the Gospel. He started his ministry by asking people to "repent", indicating that sinners should leave their sinful practices, turn to God and live holy lives. I am sure that it is the prayer of any real Christian that words spoken will be as full of grace as those of Jesus was - correcting without insult or injury.

Of course God led the Israelites into many battles and even "went before them". The picture presented of Jesus as "gentle and mild" - is to appeal to an emotional response to Jesus.
That is not a true picture. Although Jesus laid down his life for those that will trust him, because of his love for mankind, He is also the one that will come to judge the world and condemn those that did not accept his offer of salvation.(Rev 6:17 because the great day of His wrath has come; and who is able to stand?). He also acted in judgement of nations that oppose him. God hates sin and will condemn those that are disobedient.
For the present, Jesus said :Joh 12:47 And if anyone hears My Words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
Jesus' invite is still as relevant today as it was 2000 years ago:
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9475 Nov 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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My aim is not to covert any one, my aim is to deliver the message of Islam to every one. It is upon people to accept it or not to accept it.
..
Just exchange the word "Islam" with "Christ" above, and you get the exact same thing Christians say. And you KNOW for a fact, that they are delusional and crazy.

You must see the problem here. The reason you believe what you do is cause you are from Saudi Arabia. If you were born into an environment believing in a different mythology, you would believe that.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#9476 Nov 30, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Again with the lame strawman fallacy definition of atheism.
Atheists do NOT claim that gods are disproven. Atheists claim that gods are unproven. Big difference.
Show me some real, independently verifiable evidence for a deity and I'll consider it. Until then, consideration is absurd. And belief without some evidence is delusional.
atheism is a lack of belief. For some it comes from the fact that any god anyone invents and claims is real can be easily disproven by hard evidence and logic.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9477 Nov 30, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Just exchange the word "Islam" with "Christ" above, and you get the exact same thing Christians say. And you KNOW for a fact, that they are delusional and crazy.
You must see the problem here. The reason you believe what you do is cause you are from Saudi Arabia. If you were born into an environment believing in a different mythology, you would believe that.
I am not from Saudi Arabia, I am an Indian Muslim working in Saudi Arabia.

My forefathers might not be Muslim, but they saw the light and accepted Islam.

Now let some one prove to me that his or her religion is better than mine, I will choose to accept their faith.

But mere claims are not enough (any one can claim anything). let them come with proofs from their scriptures and prove to me that on their beliefs, their laws and their rules and regulations are better than Islam, I will be ready to join their faith.\

So far no one has come forward, they quit after the first session, when I ask some basic questions so as to come to a common platform to discuss these things!!
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#9478 Nov 30, 2012
Will Atheism defeat religion by 2038?

This is topic of this thread and a very interesting too, because someone has stick out his or her neck and made a definite "prediction" or "prophesy".

It is easier to understand such things by past examples, I would try to do so.

I would like to pose a different question: What happened to so called Socialism and Communism?

A. Could any one say in 1960 s and 1970 s that "Communism and Socialism” would be dead by 1990 s?:

I think not even the "Most committed Capitalist" could make such a remark. In 60 s and 70 s the Socialism and Communism was the "Hot word". It was spreading like wild fire and new nations (mostly poor nations of Asia and Africa and Eastern Europe) were consumed by it.

Murmuring against it in Hungary was quenched in One Day,

Soft revolt against it in Chezslovakia was crushed in One Day.

Same thing happened in the case of Poland and Solidarity in 1970 s.

In UNO, the "Capitalist countries" were in minority and were only surviving thru Veto" Power.

In books and lectures and seminars and debates, there was no way in which any one could prove that Capitalism was a better system than Socialism or Communism.

B. What led to the so quick demise of the Socialism and / or Capitalism?

If you ask "capitalists" they would say that USSR was "duped" to spend too much on arms in the arm race with USA and became bankrupt.

Other people would give other reasons.

According to me, the Socialism and Capitalism both had a deadly flaw that they were against basic human nature!! And any thing against Basic human nature can only be enforced by outside force and not by the will and heart of people.

The moment this pressure is removed, people would revolt against it. That is how every country where Socialism or communism was practiced went under dictatorship and police and military brutality.

Both these philosophies therefore were destined for failure and it became clear "when they were at a pinnacle of their powers".

But on ground it happened when Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979!!. That was the "end" of their "Moral Superiority and Leadership" in the world.

A world superpower invading a small and poor country with no justification and with no provocation?

They lost the respect of the world … and when Gorbachev removed the pressure that was propping up the regime, the whole structure collapsed to the ground.

That gives us a postulate "Any system which is against Basic Human Nature" is bound to fail, its life is limited.

D. Is Atheism not against Basic Human Nature?

I am asking this question now, because in my view Atheism is against basic human nature. No one in his or her right mind would ever believe that this huge Universe and every thing in it just came out by itself, without any plan, design, purpose or Creator at the back of it.

Different religions have different models for this Creator and this "confusion" has given a temporary platform for these Atheists to come out and dare to "predict" the date by which they will defeat the religion.

(Contd.)
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9479 Nov 30, 2012
E. Common link between Atheism, Socialism and Capitalism:

Many people will say that they never thought that there is any link between Atheism and socialism and communism, but there is.

Both these systems only concern themselves with the "Material and Physical needs of human body"…. They have nothing for the Soul or spiritual side of the human soul.

That is why Communists countries spent too much money, efforts and times on sports and shows and plays to give "some spiritual up-liftment"

And in Capitalism we get that spiritual content in the form of drinks and dance parties, Games, Films, Music concerts etc.

None of these provide "Permanent diet" to soul and give temporarily relief.

F. White Nations and Spiritual Leadership of the world:\

White people have come out with only Two Philosophies for the world, One was Socialism and Communism which failed after 70 odd years, and the current one is Atheism, which is also called Materialism.

At present this is shining star on the world scene and people think that it will grow stronger and stronger till in engulfs all religions of the world.

By reading is that, its life is also limited and the questions one should ask "Will Atheism live upto 2038"?

Famous Urdu poet and Philosopher Sir ALLAMA IQBAL presented it beautifully:

DABA RAKKHA HAI ISKO JAMAWAR KE TEZ DASTI NE

BAHUT DHEERE SURON MEIN HAI ABHI EUROPE KA WA WAILA

In English we can translate it "The wails of Europe are in very slow tones right now as they are being suppressed due to quick action of the surgeons"

And at another place:

TUMHARI TAHZEEB KHUD APNE KHANJAR SE KHUDKUSHI KAREGI

SHHAKH-E –NAZUK PE JO ASHIYAN BANEGA NAPAAEDAR HOGA

In English "Your Civilization shall commit suicide with your own weapons, if you make nest on weak branches, it would never last"

F. It is for East to provide religion and spiritual guidance and not for West:

Human history of thousands of years testifies this. All Major world religion started in East and not west.

Judaism started in the East.

Christianity started in the East.

Hinduism started in the East.

Buddhism started in the East.

Islam started in the East.

So I am entitled to ask the question "Will Atheism survive by 2038"?

Let people vote on it!!
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9480 Nov 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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I am not from Saudi Arabia, I am an Indian Muslim working in Saudi Arabia.
I guess that is why your english is so good.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9481 Nov 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Now let some one prove to me that his or her religion is better than mine, I will choose to accept their faith.
The point here is all religions are man made. If God wanted to he could implant in all our minds simultaneously the same revelation. Instead we have 000s of religions each teaching different things. This is exactly what you's expect if all the religions and sects are man made.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9482 Nov 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
I am asking this question now, because in my view Atheism is against basic human nature. No one in his or her right mind would ever believe that this huge Universe and every thing in it just came out by itself, without any plan, design, purpose or Creator at the back of it.
Have a read of the following. I shall quote some of "The God Delusion" which explains it very well.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9483 Nov 30, 2012
Quote "If the alternative that's being offered to what physicists now talk about - a big bang, a spontaneous singularity which gave rise to the origin of the universe - if the alternative to that is a divine intelligence, a creator, which would have to have been complicated, statistically improbable, the very kind of thing which scientific theories such as Darwin's exists to explain, then immediately we see that however difficult and apparently inadequate the theory of the physicists is, the theory of the theologians - that the first course was a complicated intelligence - is even more difficult to accept. They’re both difficult but the theory of the cosmic intelligence is even worse. What Darwinism does is to raise our consciousness to the power of science to explain the existence of complex things and intelligences, and creative intelligences are above all complex things, they’re statistically improbable. Darwinism raises our consciousness to the power of science to explain how such entities - and the human brain is one - can come into existence from simple beginnings. However difficult those simple beginnings may be to accept, they are a whole lot easier to accept than complicated beginnings. Complicated things come into the universe late, as a consequence of slow, gradual, incremental steps. God, if he exists, would have to be a very, very, very complicated thing indeed. So to postulate a God as the beginning of the universe, as the answer to the riddle of the first cause, is to shoot yourself in the conceptual foot because you are immediately postulating something far far more complicated than that which you are trying to explain. Now, physicists cope with this problem in various ways, which may seem somewhat unconvincing. For example, they suggest that our universe is but one bubble in foam of universes, the multiverse, and each bubble in the foam has a different set of laws and constants. And by the anthropic principle we have to be - since we’re here talking about it - in the kind of bubble, with the kind of laws and constants, which are capable of giving rise to the evolutionary process and therefore to creatures like us. That is one current physicists’ explanation for how we exist in the kind of universe that we do. It doesn’t sound so shatteringly convincing as say Darwin’s own theory, which is self-evidently very convincing. Nevertheless, however unconvincing that may sound, it is many, many, many orders of magnitude more convincing than any theory that says complex intelligence was there right from the outset. If you have problems seeing how matter could just come into existence - try thinking about how complex intelligent matter, or complex intelligent entities of any kind, could suddenly spring into existence, it’s many many orders of magnitude harder to understand." The God Delusion

A key point being complicated things come into the universe late. It starts out simple, and life gets more complicated in graduated slow steps. To have complicated intelligence from the outset is the opposite of what appears to be the reality.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9484 Nov 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
White people have come out with only Two Philosophies for the world,....and the current one is Atheism
Oh yes, all of the fault of white people.(head slap)

The most populous Atheist countries are in the East.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9485 Nov 30, 2012
Lets not forget what Muq is offering us: "The Shia fundamentalists in Iran lowered the age of "consent" to nine, perhaps in admiring emulation of the age of the youngest "wife" of the "Prophet" Muhammed.(p. 51)" God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything (2007) Erm, no thank you.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9486 Nov 30, 2012
To finish off. This is great quote:

"The gods that we've made are exactly the gods you'd expect to be made by a species that's about half a chromosome&#65279; away from being chimpanzee." Christopher Hitches.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#9487 Nov 30, 2012
IMHO - Millions of people have millions of reasons not to accept that there just maybe a Sky Pixy with a white beard the length of similar to the stories about it are as tall. I don’t believe in a potential Sky Pixy, with or without a white beard, simply because if there was, would it allow those it loved ever-so-much to:
Die before birth for no logical reason? Become terminally ill at/shortly after birth, indeed become terminally ill at ANY time? Allow its creations in its own image to struggle simply to remain alive in conditions of its making? Spend 1000’s of years trying to find cures for diseases, when it has ALL the answers. Or actually create diseases etc. in the first place. Produce the conditions (Earthquake, Tsunami, flood e.g.) in order to MURDER millions of its created beings, on a perpetual basis? Then, after its mass murder, install into the minds of most of the survivors, the most ILLOGICAL train of thought imaginable – go and THANK it for its deed. If it didn't involve so many innocent people year on year, it would be hilariously comical.
(I chose the term “murder” as it fits near perfectly;) Motive – insanity, weapon (see above) opportunity, continuous. One must be insane to continue with the status quo of willfully withholding vital information that would end ALL suffering of ALL its created beings for all time. religion? Go thee forth and multiply.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#9488 Nov 30, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not from Saudi Arabia, I am an Indian Muslim working in Saudi Arabia.
My forefathers might not be Muslim, but they saw the light and accepted Islam.
Now let some one prove to me that his or her religion is better than mine, I will choose to accept their faith.
But mere claims are not enough (any one can claim anything). let them come with proofs from their scriptures and prove to me that on their beliefs, their laws and their rules and regulations are better than Islam, I will be ready to join their faith.\
So far no one has come forward, they quit after the first session, when I ask some basic questions so as to come to a common platform to discuss these things!!
So you want to have a 'claims' contest? Piffle, just lay'em out and measure'em.....at least you'll have empirical proof.
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#9489 Nov 30, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-53

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : SURAQA BIN MALIK

This case also refers to the journey which prophet took during his flight from Makkah to Madina. When prophet decided to migrate ha and his close friend Abu Baker, took their flight during dead night, they first stayed for thee days in the cave of AL THAUR, located 2-3 miles from Makkah in the direction of Yemen.

When the morning came and Makkah people found out that prophet and Abu Bakr had left their houses and would certainly head towards Madina, they went on looking for them in all directions. They even came very close to the cave where prophet had taken refuge…..this incident is very beautifully described in the following verse of Quran:

“If you do not help (Your leader)(It is no matter) for Allah did indeed help him, when the unbelievers drove him out: he had no more than one companion: they two were in the cave, and he said to his companion “Have no fear, for Allah is with us”: Then Allah sent down His peace upon him, and strengthened him with forces which you did not see….”(9:40)

When Makkah people could not find his, they declared a booty of 100 camels to any one who would bring the fugitives back to Makkah or provide (certain) information about their whereabouts.

SURAQA was living in a village, between Makkah and Madina, he also heard about the declaration of Makkah people. One morning he was sitting with some people, when some one mentioned that he had seen two people going on camel near the sea. SURAQA immediately surmised that they might be the persons who were wanted….but he did not want to share the prize with others, so he dismissed the person, saying that they could be such and such.

But when people had left, he took his horse and went in the indicated direction as fast as his horse could take him. After some distance he saw two camels ahead, and at the same time, his horse took a wobble. SURAQA took his arrows of divination to check about its mission, it came negative, but he perceived his course.

When SURAQA came very near to the camels, front feet of his horse went deep into the sand upto half their lengths, he again look for divination, the answer came in negative. So he was convinced that he would never succeed in his mission. He called in a loud voice for peace and assured that he meant no harm.

SURAQA went to prophet and related his story, he assured prophet that he would not have to fear for any one approaching from this direction as SURAQA would take care of it. SURAQA then asked prophet to give him a written assurance of protection.

Since prophet did not know how to read and write, Abu Bakr gave him that deed and SURAQA went back happy. A booty hunter to a Protected man in a few moment! That is sure a very effective sword!

(Contd.)



Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9490 Nov 30, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Oh yes, all of the fault of white people.(head slap)
The most populous Atheist countries are in the East.
White people? Where the hell did he find white people? I think there are like maybe 12 - 15 (if that) of them, on the entire planet. They dang sure don't run anything that effects us all. Some folks though, is pink (usually they are mostly little ones), but 99% of all human beings are some shade of brown. And what shade of brown colored people created those other 30 - 40,000 assorted religions?

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9491 Nov 30, 2012
Adam wrote:
To finish off. This is great quote:
"The gods that we've made are exactly the gods you'd expect to be made by a species that's about half a chromosome&#65279; away from being chimpanzee." Christopher Hitches.
One of the best, thank you.
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#9493 Dec 1, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not from Saudi Arabia, I am an Indian Muslim working in Saudi Arabia.
My forefathers might not be Muslim, but they saw the light and accepted Islam.
Now let some one prove to me that his or her religion is better than mine, I will choose to accept their faith.
But mere claims are not enough (any one can claim anything). let them come with proofs from their scriptures and prove to me that on their beliefs, their laws and their rules and regulations are better than Islam, I will be ready to join their faith.\
So far no one has come forward, they quit after the first session, when I ask some basic questions so as to come to a common platform to discuss these things!!
Do you imply that all religions are equal or that yours are "better"?

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