Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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If you have something valuable to say on this thread say it, otherwise stay quiet, moron! Any conversation is well above your IQ level anyway.
Don't just use the anomimity of the internet to unload your dubious jokes about people because they have failed to agree with your sick mentality.
I believe that you are nothing more than an immature teenager with too much time on his hands.
shut up, you cross dressing perv.go back and do what you do best, the walls of Edinburgh Castle after midnight.
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First the Marxism fallacy, and now the Communism fallacy, you are a creationist christian, stop lying, stop pretending. That's what you are, and until you can be honest on here, you can never be honest anywhere.
on this site only. Elsewhere he/she is called RONAN or I CAN READ.Com pletely lefty with a hatred to non sodomites ,ex British Soldiers, Ex anyone who believes in Country and respect.
A nonce in other words.

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No state atheism? Are you real?
Tell that to those who lived 70 years under communism, and for whom the mere fact of being suspected of being a believer could mean years in camps, or sometime death!
Maybe you should meet people who lived under Stalin rather than dismissing state atheism. It did exist!
I did say that the atheism claimed in Europe in the 20th century by many philosophers, writers and intellectuals in general was uncompromising in their denial of deity; there was no doubt about what they were saying! There was no agnosticism in their position. In fact, agnostics were more reviled than believers!
I am not saying that as a very distant christian (catholic) it was a fact. Also, I do not pretend to speak on behalf of other deists.
Atheism is nothing more than a category that defines anyone who is NOT a theist. There are no creeds, dogmas, rituals, or any of the other trappings of "religion" to hang on atheism. There's can be no such thing as "state theism" and there can be no such thing as "state atheism".

The very idea is again the in-group vs. out-group position to vilify a certain category of people. The correlation between atheism and communism is non existent.

The nations normally referred to as "state atheism" have other socio-political structures to consider, such as totalitarianism governments with deified leader mentality. The power and influence religion has over the people is often seen by these regimes as competition for control.

You want to study non-religious governments, look at successful secular democracies. Across the board these countries have lower felony crime rates and higher per-capita income than highly religious countries such as the U.S.
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Why is it unclear?
Once you have rejected all religions, there is one question left:
Is there a god or not?
Atheists say vehemently NO.
Agnostics say MAYBE, or I DON'T KNOW.
Deists think there is one, without saying more than that!
So what you are in fact saying that deism is a “default” position for those that have rejected all religions (for whatever reason), and not because you are convinced of its “merits”.
You mention in another post “We are all against "revealed religions", so why start querelling (quarreling) when we are soppose(d) to fight them and their pernicious influence on society”.
Excuse me, sir. You have just incited aggression (“fight” is not a neutral word), and suggesting that revealed religions have a “pernicious influence on society”.
Now unless you suggest that fighting is a positive position to hold and the Biblical “Mat 5:44 but I say to you, Love your enemies; bless those cursing you, do well to those hating you; and pray for those abusing and persecuting you,” is detestable, you have defeated your own argument.

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<quoted text>So what you are in fact saying that deism is a “default” position for those that have rejected all religions (for whatever reason), and not because you are convinced of its “merits”.
You mention in another post “We are all against "revealed religions", so why start querelling (quarreling) when we are soppose(d) to fight them and their pernicious influence on society”.
Excuse me, sir. You have just incited aggression (“fight” is not a neutral word), and suggesting that revealed religions have a “pernicious influence on society”.
Now unless you suggest that fighting is a positive position to hold and the Biblical “Mat 5:44 but I say to you, Love your enemies; bless those cursing you, do well to those hating you; and pray for those abusing and persecuting you,” is detestable, you have defeated your own argument.
Yeah, then why do christians hate so much, all the time, and attack anything that is different than them?

I'll answer that for you, because the same book you got that one small bit from contains a lot more "kill those who are different" than anything. It's part of the con. Now if you're going to cite bits, you need to finish reading it first.

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Why is it unclear?
Once you have rejected all religions, there is one question left:
Is there a god or not?
Atheists say vehemently NO.
Agnostics say MAYBE, or I DON'T KNOW.
Deists think there is one, without saying more than that!
Again with the lame strawman fallacy definition of atheism.

Atheists do NOT claim that gods are disproven. Atheists claim that gods are unproven. Big difference.

Show me some real, independently verifiable evidence for a deity and I'll consider it. Until then, consideration is absurd. And belief without some evidence is delusional.
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on this site only. Elsewhere he/she is called RONAN or I CAN READ.Com pletely lefty with a hatred to non sodomites ,ex British Soldiers, Ex anyone who believes in Country and respect.
A nonce in other words.
Humberman999 is Jason Norris, also known as joewale, johnsheaperd, rock white, mick rock or mike 483
Here are his views on women

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/united-kingd...

#52
“you certainly do get worked up. Have noted the dates. Menstrual problems obviously so we will not take you too seriously.”

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“As a menstrual debilating hypochondriac you have a retardation and should seek medical advice.
My advice to you is to get laid as often as possible.”

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“There is a partnership between normal men and women, stress the word "normal". That partnership does not extend to abnormals, so one assumes you speak for the abnormals.
The word "misogynist", as used by you, is now the "in" word to be used against men who do not like lesbians. Well, wrong again, because they provide normal men with good entertainment value, nothing nicer than a couple of buth bull dykes trying to emulate men. Real turn on.»

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“you are an unrepentant dyke. No law against it, just admit it.”

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Not your fault, just female nature. Bless you.»

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« The message is quite clear. You are a bull dyke with menstrual problems.
Please see a medic.
Bless you.»

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« how do you profess all this when you are not a woman. But a dyke with menstrual problems which remind you on a monthly basis of your sex. Go see a medic.»

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No point in talking to a dyke about that though. Might get you worked up.»
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If you have something valuable to say on this thread say it, otherwise stay quiet, moron! Any conversation is well above your IQ level anyway.
Don't just use the anomimity of the internet to unload your dubious jokes about people because they have failed to agree with your sick mentality.
I believe that you are nothing more than an immature teenager with too much time on his hands.
quiet you tosser. rabbit.
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quiet you tosser. rabbit.
Humberman999 is Jason Norris, also known as joewale, johnsheaperd, rock white, mick rock or mike 483
Here are his views on women

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/united-kingd...

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“you certainly do get worked up. Have noted the dates. Menstrual problems obviously so we will not take you too seriously.”

#54
“As a menstrual debilating hypochondriac you have a retardation and should seek medical advice.
My advice to you is to get laid as often as possible.”

#66
“There is a partnership between normal men and women, stress the word "normal". That partnership does not extend to abnormals, so one assumes you speak for the abnormals.
The word "misogynist", as used by you, is now the "in" word to be used against men who do not like lesbians. Well, wrong again, because they provide normal men with good entertainment value, nothing nicer than a couple of buth bull dykes trying to emulate men. Real turn on.»

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« dykes do not like getting pregnant.”

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“Millions upon millions of normal women are proud to be called housewife.”

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“you are an unrepentant dyke. No law against it, just admit it.”

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“Please let either the pmt"pre", the pmt"post", or the hormonal unbalance clear before you enter into a serious post like this.
Not your fault, just female nature. Bless you.»

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« The message is quite clear. You are a bull dyke with menstrual problems.
Please see a medic.
Bless you.»

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« how do you profess all this when you are not a woman. But a dyke with menstrual problems which remind you on a monthly basis of your sex. Go see a medic.»

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« We will know in a few days whether you have passed the menstrual problems you have.”

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“You are just a stupid female with hormonic problems.”

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“It is obvious that your family were incestuous, probably Nazi, and you are trying to alleviate the guilt you harbour.»

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“You are a female. You sit to pee and you bleed monthly. You have not the same physical strength as a male, and you have penis envy.”

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“I never have stated that women should be subjected to mens control, because they are naturally that.”
“Sit down and pee.»

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« not only can men do what you say they cannot do, they can also juggle female breasts as well. Now that is what I call control.»

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No point in talking to a dyke about that though. Might get you worked up.»

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Agnostic atheism is something I have never understood.
To me, you are atheist OR agnostic; you cannot be both.
You deny, or you doubt.
Although I am sure that you are about to tell us that you don't agree with that.
Most of the atheists I have met, all of them in fact, in life or in writting, have strongly denied the existence of god (or God), To them, there was no compromise on that position.
I have never met an atheist who admitted doubting his position regarding the non-existence of god. Their whole philosophy is based on it!
Agnostic atheists must be a " US sect" among atheists, no? You like the joke?
Actually, being atheist just means being without theism. To be what you are calling an "atheist", which is just a non-believer, one must deny the knowledge of any actual gods. Even among we atheist, these designations are not always held to. Many of us, will not think it through and we respond as if atheism, is something that could actually exist. It doesn't. There is no "ism" connected to that which does not exist, being minus something, does not create a framework capable of supporting a dogma.

Agnostics are not theist, either. They too are non-believers, but say that it's possible that a god or gods could exist, they simply don't know. If you were to provide them proof, they would become believers, as would any of us, when given proof. Incontrovertible proof, that is.
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Muq-ster, wouldnt you have more success in trying to convert Christians or Hindus? Just to remind you of the obvious, this is the Atheism forum.
We dont believe in the existence of gods. We also dont believe in your prophet, or any other prophet for that matter. So why would we care if your prophet is a noble person or a bad person.
We dont pray, we dont believe any book is divine, or in any kind of superstition, supernatural or paranormal beliefs.
Hope this is clear :)
My aim is not to covert any one, my aim is to deliver the message of Islam to every one. It is upon people to accept it or not to accept it.

This is my duty as a Muslim, and I shall be asked about it.

What you do is your outlook, I will not be asked about it.

I am present to clear all your doubts and misunderstandings about Islam. And there are plenty because due to media hype, most people even do not have basic concept what is Islam.

But due to ignorance, such people are in the forefront of calling for ban on Islam and Muslims.

To them it is a "news" when we say all prophets were Muslims!!
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Yeah, then why do christians hate so much, all the time, and attack anything that is different than them?
I'll answer that for you, because the same book you got that one small bit from contains a lot more "kill those who are different" than anything. It's part of the con. Now if you're going to cite bits, you need to finish reading it first.
I agree to some extent. There are many "Christians" that attack, lie, judge, slander, insult and ridicule those that have different opinions. Both you and I can cite many instances. This is however not in agreement with Biblical principles. But there are also those that try to live lives according to the Word of God,and those would heed Jesus' commands (albeit that they may also stumble from time to time).

This does not mean that to try and live a godly life, you are required not to oppose views/actions that is contrary to your beliefs -but hopefully this can be done in a decent manner. If you took the life of Jesus, he was often accused of mixing with sinners. Now did Jesus condone their sin? Not at all, but through parables explained the truths of the Gospel. He started his ministry by asking people to "repent", indicating that sinners should leave their sinful practices, turn to God and live holy lives. I am sure that it is the prayer of any real Christian that words spoken will be as full of grace as those of Jesus was - correcting without insult or injury.

Of course God led the Israelites into many battles and even "went before them". The picture presented of Jesus as "gentle and mild" - is to appeal to an emotional response to Jesus.
That is not a true picture. Although Jesus laid down his life for those that will trust him, because of his love for mankind, He is also the one that will come to judge the world and condemn those that did not accept his offer of salvation.(Rev 6:17 because the great day of His wrath has come; and who is able to stand?). He also acted in judgement of nations that oppose him. God hates sin and will condemn those that are disobedient.
For the present, Jesus said :Joh 12:47 And if anyone hears My Words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
Jesus' invite is still as relevant today as it was 2000 years ago:
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
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My aim is not to covert any one, my aim is to deliver the message of Islam to every one. It is upon people to accept it or not to accept it.
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Just exchange the word "Islam" with "Christ" above, and you get the exact same thing Christians say. And you KNOW for a fact, that they are delusional and crazy.

You must see the problem here. The reason you believe what you do is cause you are from Saudi Arabia. If you were born into an environment believing in a different mythology, you would believe that.

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Again with the lame strawman fallacy definition of atheism.
Atheists do NOT claim that gods are disproven. Atheists claim that gods are unproven. Big difference.
Show me some real, independently verifiable evidence for a deity and I'll consider it. Until then, consideration is absurd. And belief without some evidence is delusional.
atheism is a lack of belief. For some it comes from the fact that any god anyone invents and claims is real can be easily disproven by hard evidence and logic.
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Just exchange the word "Islam" with "Christ" above, and you get the exact same thing Christians say. And you KNOW for a fact, that they are delusional and crazy.
You must see the problem here. The reason you believe what you do is cause you are from Saudi Arabia. If you were born into an environment believing in a different mythology, you would believe that.
I am not from Saudi Arabia, I am an Indian Muslim working in Saudi Arabia.

My forefathers might not be Muslim, but they saw the light and accepted Islam.

Now let some one prove to me that his or her religion is better than mine, I will choose to accept their faith.

But mere claims are not enough (any one can claim anything). let them come with proofs from their scriptures and prove to me that on their beliefs, their laws and their rules and regulations are better than Islam, I will be ready to join their faith.\

So far no one has come forward, they quit after the first session, when I ask some basic questions so as to come to a common platform to discuss these things!!
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Will Atheism defeat religion by 2038?

This is topic of this thread and a very interesting too, because someone has stick out his or her neck and made a definite "prediction" or "prophesy".

It is easier to understand such things by past examples, I would try to do so.

I would like to pose a different question: What happened to so called Socialism and Communism?

A. Could any one say in 1960 s and 1970 s that "Communism and Socialism” would be dead by 1990 s?:

I think not even the "Most committed Capitalist" could make such a remark. In 60 s and 70 s the Socialism and Communism was the "Hot word". It was spreading like wild fire and new nations (mostly poor nations of Asia and Africa and Eastern Europe) were consumed by it.

Murmuring against it in Hungary was quenched in One Day,

Soft revolt against it in Chezslovakia was crushed in One Day.

Same thing happened in the case of Poland and Solidarity in 1970 s.

In UNO, the "Capitalist countries" were in minority and were only surviving thru Veto" Power.

In books and lectures and seminars and debates, there was no way in which any one could prove that Capitalism was a better system than Socialism or Communism.

B. What led to the so quick demise of the Socialism and / or Capitalism?

If you ask "capitalists" they would say that USSR was "duped" to spend too much on arms in the arm race with USA and became bankrupt.

Other people would give other reasons.

According to me, the Socialism and Capitalism both had a deadly flaw that they were against basic human nature!! And any thing against Basic human nature can only be enforced by outside force and not by the will and heart of people.

The moment this pressure is removed, people would revolt against it. That is how every country where Socialism or communism was practiced went under dictatorship and police and military brutality.

Both these philosophies therefore were destined for failure and it became clear "when they were at a pinnacle of their powers".

But on ground it happened when Russia invaded Afghanistan in 1979!!. That was the "end" of their "Moral Superiority and Leadership" in the world.

A world superpower invading a small and poor country with no justification and with no provocation?

They lost the respect of the world … and when Gorbachev removed the pressure that was propping up the regime, the whole structure collapsed to the ground.

That gives us a postulate "Any system which is against Basic Human Nature" is bound to fail, its life is limited.

D. Is Atheism not against Basic Human Nature?

I am asking this question now, because in my view Atheism is against basic human nature. No one in his or her right mind would ever believe that this huge Universe and every thing in it just came out by itself, without any plan, design, purpose or Creator at the back of it.

Different religions have different models for this Creator and this "confusion" has given a temporary platform for these Atheists to come out and dare to "predict" the date by which they will defeat the religion.

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E. Common link between Atheism, Socialism and Capitalism:

Many people will say that they never thought that there is any link between Atheism and socialism and communism, but there is.

Both these systems only concern themselves with the "Material and Physical needs of human body"…. They have nothing for the Soul or spiritual side of the human soul.

That is why Communists countries spent too much money, efforts and times on sports and shows and plays to give "some spiritual up-liftment"

And in Capitalism we get that spiritual content in the form of drinks and dance parties, Games, Films, Music concerts etc.

None of these provide "Permanent diet" to soul and give temporarily relief.

F. White Nations and Spiritual Leadership of the world:\

White people have come out with only Two Philosophies for the world, One was Socialism and Communism which failed after 70 odd years, and the current one is Atheism, which is also called Materialism.

At present this is shining star on the world scene and people think that it will grow stronger and stronger till in engulfs all religions of the world.

By reading is that, its life is also limited and the questions one should ask "Will Atheism live upto 2038"?

Famous Urdu poet and Philosopher Sir ALLAMA IQBAL presented it beautifully:

DABA RAKKHA HAI ISKO JAMAWAR KE TEZ DASTI NE

BAHUT DHEERE SURON MEIN HAI ABHI EUROPE KA WA WAILA

In English we can translate it "The wails of Europe are in very slow tones right now as they are being suppressed due to quick action of the surgeons"

And at another place:

TUMHARI TAHZEEB KHUD APNE KHANJAR SE KHUDKUSHI KAREGI

SHHAKH-E –NAZUK PE JO ASHIYAN BANEGA NAPAAEDAR HOGA

In English "Your Civilization shall commit suicide with your own weapons, if you make nest on weak branches, it would never last"

F. It is for East to provide religion and spiritual guidance and not for West:

Human history of thousands of years testifies this. All Major world religion started in East and not west.

Judaism started in the East.

Christianity started in the East.

Hinduism started in the East.

Buddhism started in the East.

Islam started in the East.

So I am entitled to ask the question "Will Atheism survive by 2038"?

Let people vote on it!!
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I am not from Saudi Arabia, I am an Indian Muslim working in Saudi Arabia.
I guess that is why your english is so good.
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Now let some one prove to me that his or her religion is better than mine, I will choose to accept their faith.
The point here is all religions are man made. If God wanted to he could implant in all our minds simultaneously the same revelation. Instead we have 000s of religions each teaching different things. This is exactly what you's expect if all the religions and sects are man made.
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MUQ wrote:
I am asking this question now, because in my view Atheism is against basic human nature. No one in his or her right mind would ever believe that this huge Universe and every thing in it just came out by itself, without any plan, design, purpose or Creator at the back of it.
Have a read of the following. I shall quote some of "The God Delusion" which explains it very well.

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