Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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rio

Bromley, UK

#9450 Nov 28, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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There is no such thing as "state atheism". Atheism is just a category to describe anyone who is NOT a theist.(hint, that what the "a-" prefix does).
You are attempting to conflate atheism with communism and create a strawman position. This is most often seen with Catholics and becoming increasing common among Christians. I did not realize that Deist had also drank that kool-aid.
No state atheism? Are you real?
Tell that to those who lived 70 years under communism, and for whom the mere fact of being suspected of being a believer could mean years in camps, or sometime death!
Maybe you should meet people who lived under Stalin rather than dismissing state atheism. It did exist!

I did say that the atheism claimed in Europe in the 20th century by many philosophers, writers and intellectuals in general was uncompromising in their denial of deity; there was no doubt about what they were saying! There was no agnosticism in their position. In fact, agnostics were more reviled than believers!

I am not saying that as a very distant christian (catholic) it was a fact. Also, I do not pretend to speak on behalf of other deists.
Allymac

Glasgow, UK

#9451 Nov 28, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't really like to put myself in any group, of any kind.
It just happened that at the end of a long journey through life, I finally find myself in tune with deism.
And cross dressing.
rio

Bromley, UK

#9452 Nov 28, 2012
Allymac wrote:
<quoted text>And cross dressing.
If you have something valuable to say on this thread say it, otherwise stay quiet, moron! Any conversation is well above your IQ level anyway.

Don't just use the anomimity of the internet to unload your dubious jokes about people because they have failed to agree with your sick mentality.

I believe that you are nothing more than an immature teenager with too much time on his hands.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9453 Nov 28, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-50

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : ZAID BIN SANEA’, A JEW OF MEDINA

ZAID BIN SANEA’ was a Jew who lived in Madina. When the prophet came to Madina and started his mission there, he was partly convinced of the message, but he had some doubts of his own.

He had learned in his scriptures, about the perseverance quality of the Last Prophet, that was to come into the world, whom Moses and other Jewish prophets had described.

He was looking for some opportunity to put his own tests on this quality of prophet. He was not long to wait, for prophet entered into some borrowing deal with ZAID BIN SANEA’ and borrowed some money or some food from him, the loan was to be repaid after a fixed number of days.

The deadline for payment was still three or four days away, when ZAID BIN SANEA’ came to see the prophet, and found him sitting amongst his companions and teaching them about Islam. Without any formality or greetings (as the usual custom amongst Jews and Muslims alike), he addressed the Prophet in following words:

“O Mohammad, when are you going to repay my loan? I know that Family of Abdul MUTTALIB (the grandfather of prophet) are always tightfisted and they try to cheat people on each and every deal”

Companions of the prophet were stunned by this way of addressing and laying false accusations against prophet and his whole family. Omar could not control his anger and he shouted “O Enemy of Allah! Do you know to whom you are talking” then he asked the prophet to allow him to strike at the neck of this uncouth person.

Prophet maintained his calm and said to Omar.“Omar, you have not done the justice, he is the man with a claim against him, you should have told me to repay my loan and he should have told this man to be easy in his demands”.

Then prophet ordered Omar to go and repay the loan amount and add some more, to expiate for his hash words to the creditor.

ZAID BIN SANEA’ left with Omar, got repaid and came back and declared his faith of Islam. He told the prophet “I only wanted to test your patience, because no one but a prophet can maintain his calm and patience under these harsh situations”.

Such was the strange case of ZAID BIN SANEA’ who was enslaved by the “Sword of Patience and calmness” of the many swords which the prophet wielded to his friends and foes alike!

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#9454 Nov 28, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
<quoted text>
What benefit?
If one really and truly believes in a place such as heaven, why would they also consider it a good thing to be kept away from it by a long life span? Only someone who really, deep down, doesn't believe that an afterlife really exists would think this is good.
I think I expressed myself poorly. I was suggesting that his continued presence in this life is a benefit to others.
No, I am 100% sure that the afterlife exists. Do you?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9455 Nov 28, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
No state atheism? Are you real?
Tell that to those who lived 70 years under communism, and for whom the mere fact of being suspected of being a believer could mean years in camps, or sometime death!
Maybe you should meet people who lived under Stalin rather than dismissing state atheism. It did exist!
I did say that the atheism claimed in Europe in the 20th century by many philosophers, writers and intellectuals in general was uncompromising in their denial of deity; there was no doubt about what they were saying! There was no agnosticism in their position. In fact, agnostics were more reviled than believers!
I am not saying that as a very distant christian (catholic) it was a fact. Also, I do not pretend to speak on behalf of other deists.
First the Marxism fallacy, and now the Communism fallacy, you are a creationist christian, stop lying, stop pretending. That's what you are, and until you can be honest on here, you can never be honest anywhere.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9456 Nov 29, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-50
..
Muq-ster, wouldnt you have more success in trying to convert Christians or Hindus? Just to remind you of the obvious, this is the Atheism forum.

We dont believe in the existence of gods. We also dont believe in your prophet, or any other prophet for that matter. So why would we care if your prophet is a noble person or a bad person.

We dont pray, we dont believe any book is divine, or in any kind of superstition, supernatural or paranormal beliefs.

Hope this is clear :)

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#9458 Nov 29, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-50
Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.
The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”
The Case of : ZAID BIN SANEA’, A JEW OF MEDINA
ZAID BIN SANEA’ was a Jew who lived in Madina. When the prophet came to Madina and started his mission there, he was partly convinced of the message, but he had some doubts of his own.
He had learned in his scriptures, about the perseverance quality of the Last Prophet, that was to come into the world, whom Moses and other Jewish prophets had described.
He was looking for some opportunity to put his own tests on this quality of prophet. He was not long to wait, for prophet entered into some borrowing deal with ZAID BIN SANEA’ and borrowed some money or some food from him, the loan was to be repaid after a fixed number of days.
The deadline for payment was still three or four days away, when ZAID BIN SANEA’ came to see the prophet, and found him sitting amongst his companions and teaching them about Islam. Without any formality or greetings (as the usual custom amongst Jews and Muslims alike), he addressed the Prophet in following words:
“O Mohammad, when are you going to repay my loan? I know that Family of Abdul MUTTALIB (the grandfather of prophet) are always tightfisted and they try to cheat people on each and every deal”
Companions of the prophet were stunned by this way of addressing and laying false accusations against prophet and his whole family. Omar could not control his anger and he shouted “O Enemy of Allah! Do you know to whom you are talking” then he asked the prophet to allow him to strike at the neck of this uncouth person.
Prophet maintained his calm and said to Omar.“Omar, you have not done the justice, he is the man with a claim against him, you should have told me to repay my loan and he should have told this man to be easy in his demands”.
Then prophet ordered Omar to go and repay the loan amount and add some more, to expiate for his hash words to the creditor.
ZAID BIN SANEA’ left with Omar, got repaid and came back and declared his faith of Islam. He told the prophet “I only wanted to test your patience, because no one but a prophet can maintain his calm and patience under these harsh situations”.
Such was the strange case of ZAID BIN SANEA’ who was enslaved by the “Sword of Patience and calmness” of the many swords which the prophet wielded to his friends and foes alike!
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
Proven religious garbage from a proven spammer.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#9459 Nov 29, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
No state atheism? Are you real?
Tell that to those who lived 70 years under communism, and for whom the mere fact of being suspected of being a believer could mean years in camps, or sometime death!
Maybe you should meet people who lived under Stalin rather than dismissing state atheism. It did exist!
I did say that the atheism claimed in Europe in the 20th century by many philosophers, writers and intellectuals in general was uncompromising in their denial of deity; there was no doubt about what they were saying! There was no agnosticism in their position. In fact, agnostics were more reviled than believers!
I am not saying that as a very distant christian (catholic) it was a fact. Also, I do not pretend to speak on behalf of other deists.
God isn't real, until you liars can prove your repetitive rubbish stories, everyone with a brain and the ability to question you is going to laugh at your stupidity.
Allymac

Glasgow, UK

#9460 Nov 29, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have something valuable to say on this thread say it, otherwise stay quiet, moron! Any conversation is well above your IQ level anyway.
Don't just use the anomimity of the internet to unload your dubious jokes about people because they have failed to agree with your sick mentality.
I believe that you are nothing more than an immature teenager with too much time on his hands.
You also believe in fairies and the bogeyman.LOL.
jason norris

Dorking, UK

#9461 Nov 29, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have something valuable to say on this thread say it, otherwise stay quiet, moron! Any conversation is well above your IQ level anyway.
Don't just use the anomimity of the internet to unload your dubious jokes about people because they have failed to agree with your sick mentality.
I believe that you are nothing more than an immature teenager with too much time on his hands.
shut up, you cross dressing perv.go back and do what you do best, the walls of Edinburgh Castle after midnight.
jason norris

Dorking, UK

#9463 Nov 29, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
First the Marxism fallacy, and now the Communism fallacy, you are a creationist christian, stop lying, stop pretending. That's what you are, and until you can be honest on here, you can never be honest anywhere.
on this site only. Elsewhere he/she is called RONAN or I CAN READ.Com pletely lefty with a hatred to non sodomites ,ex British Soldiers, Ex anyone who believes in Country and respect.
A nonce in other words.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#9464 Nov 29, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
No state atheism? Are you real?
Tell that to those who lived 70 years under communism, and for whom the mere fact of being suspected of being a believer could mean years in camps, or sometime death!
Maybe you should meet people who lived under Stalin rather than dismissing state atheism. It did exist!
I did say that the atheism claimed in Europe in the 20th century by many philosophers, writers and intellectuals in general was uncompromising in their denial of deity; there was no doubt about what they were saying! There was no agnosticism in their position. In fact, agnostics were more reviled than believers!
I am not saying that as a very distant christian (catholic) it was a fact. Also, I do not pretend to speak on behalf of other deists.
Atheism is nothing more than a category that defines anyone who is NOT a theist. There are no creeds, dogmas, rituals, or any of the other trappings of "religion" to hang on atheism. There's can be no such thing as "state theism" and there can be no such thing as "state atheism".

The very idea is again the in-group vs. out-group position to vilify a certain category of people. The correlation between atheism and communism is non existent.

The nations normally referred to as "state atheism" have other socio-political structures to consider, such as totalitarianism governments with deified leader mentality. The power and influence religion has over the people is often seen by these regimes as competition for control.

You want to study non-religious governments, look at successful secular democracies. Across the board these countries have lower felony crime rates and higher per-capita income than highly religious countries such as the U.S.
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#9465 Nov 29, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is it unclear?
Once you have rejected all religions, there is one question left:
Is there a god or not?
Atheists say vehemently NO.
Agnostics say MAYBE, or I DON'T KNOW.
Deists think there is one, without saying more than that!
So what you are in fact saying that deism is a “default” position for those that have rejected all religions (for whatever reason), and not because you are convinced of its “merits”.
You mention in another post “We are all against "revealed religions", so why start querelling (quarreling) when we are soppose(d) to fight them and their pernicious influence on society”.
Excuse me, sir. You have just incited aggression (“fight” is not a neutral word), and suggesting that revealed religions have a “pernicious influence on society”.
Now unless you suggest that fighting is a positive position to hold and the Biblical “Mat 5:44 but I say to you, Love your enemies; bless those cursing you, do well to those hating you; and pray for those abusing and persecuting you,” is detestable, you have defeated your own argument.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9466 Nov 29, 2012
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>So what you are in fact saying that deism is a “default” position for those that have rejected all religions (for whatever reason), and not because you are convinced of its “merits”.
You mention in another post “We are all against "revealed religions", so why start querelling (quarreling) when we are soppose(d) to fight them and their pernicious influence on society”.
Excuse me, sir. You have just incited aggression (“fight” is not a neutral word), and suggesting that revealed religions have a “pernicious influence on society”.
Now unless you suggest that fighting is a positive position to hold and the Biblical “Mat 5:44 but I say to you, Love your enemies; bless those cursing you, do well to those hating you; and pray for those abusing and persecuting you,” is detestable, you have defeated your own argument.
Yeah, then why do christians hate so much, all the time, and attack anything that is different than them?

I'll answer that for you, because the same book you got that one small bit from contains a lot more "kill those who are different" than anything. It's part of the con. Now if you're going to cite bits, you need to finish reading it first.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#9467 Nov 29, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
Why is it unclear?
Once you have rejected all religions, there is one question left:
Is there a god or not?
Atheists say vehemently NO.
Agnostics say MAYBE, or I DON'T KNOW.
Deists think there is one, without saying more than that!
Again with the lame strawman fallacy definition of atheism.

Atheists do NOT claim that gods are disproven. Atheists claim that gods are unproven. Big difference.

Show me some real, independently verifiable evidence for a deity and I'll consider it. Until then, consideration is absurd. And belief without some evidence is delusional.
rio

Bromley, UK

#9468 Nov 29, 2012
jason norris wrote:
<quoted text>
on this site only. Elsewhere he/she is called RONAN or I CAN READ.Com pletely lefty with a hatred to non sodomites ,ex British Soldiers, Ex anyone who believes in Country and respect.
A nonce in other words.
Humberman999 is Jason Norris, also known as joewale, johnsheaperd, rock white, mick rock or mike 483
Here are his views on women

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/united-kingd...

#52
“you certainly do get worked up. Have noted the dates. Menstrual problems obviously so we will not take you too seriously.”

#54
“As a menstrual debilating hypochondriac you have a retardation and should seek medical advice.
My advice to you is to get laid as often as possible.”

#66
“There is a partnership between normal men and women, stress the word "normal". That partnership does not extend to abnormals, so one assumes you speak for the abnormals.
The word "misogynist", as used by you, is now the "in" word to be used against men who do not like lesbians. Well, wrong again, because they provide normal men with good entertainment value, nothing nicer than a couple of buth bull dykes trying to emulate men. Real turn on.»

#67
« dykes do not like getting pregnant.”

#70
“Millions upon millions of normal women are proud to be called housewife.”

#80
“you are an unrepentant dyke. No law against it, just admit it.”

#82
“Please let either the pmt"pre", the pmt"post", or the hormonal unbalance clear before you enter into a serious post like this.
Not your fault, just female nature. Bless you.»

#106
« The message is quite clear. You are a bull dyke with menstrual problems.
Please see a medic.
Bless you.»

#117
« how do you profess all this when you are not a woman. But a dyke with menstrual problems which remind you on a monthly basis of your sex. Go see a medic.»

#119
« We will know in a few days whether you have passed the menstrual problems you have.”

#122
“You are just a stupid female with hormonic problems.”

#125
“It is obvious that your family were incestuous, probably Nazi, and you are trying to alleviate the guilt you harbour.»

#131
“You are a female. You sit to pee and you bleed monthly. You have not the same physical strength as a male, and you have penis envy.”

#137
“I never have stated that women should be subjected to mens control, because they are naturally that.”
“Sit down and pee.»

#143
« not only can men do what you say they cannot do, they can also juggle female breasts as well. Now that is what I call control.»

#147
« I love uterus envy. Not a day goes past whenever I explore at least one.
No point in talking to a dyke about that though. Might get you worked up.»
jason norris

Dorking, UK

#9470 Nov 29, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have something valuable to say on this thread say it, otherwise stay quiet, moron! Any conversation is well above your IQ level anyway.
Don't just use the anomimity of the internet to unload your dubious jokes about people because they have failed to agree with your sick mentality.
I believe that you are nothing more than an immature teenager with too much time on his hands.
quiet you tosser. rabbit.
rio

Bromley, UK

#9471 Nov 29, 2012
jason norris wrote:
<quoted text>
quiet you tosser. rabbit.
Humberman999 is Jason Norris, also known as joewale, johnsheaperd, rock white, mick rock or mike 483
Here are his views on women

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/united-kingd...

#52
“you certainly do get worked up. Have noted the dates. Menstrual problems obviously so we will not take you too seriously.”

#54
“As a menstrual debilating hypochondriac you have a retardation and should seek medical advice.
My advice to you is to get laid as often as possible.”

#66
“There is a partnership between normal men and women, stress the word "normal". That partnership does not extend to abnormals, so one assumes you speak for the abnormals.
The word "misogynist", as used by you, is now the "in" word to be used against men who do not like lesbians. Well, wrong again, because they provide normal men with good entertainment value, nothing nicer than a couple of buth bull dykes trying to emulate men. Real turn on.»

#67
« dykes do not like getting pregnant.”

#70
“Millions upon millions of normal women are proud to be called housewife.”

#80
“you are an unrepentant dyke. No law against it, just admit it.”

#82
“Please let either the pmt"pre", the pmt"post", or the hormonal unbalance clear before you enter into a serious post like this.
Not your fault, just female nature. Bless you.»

#106
« The message is quite clear. You are a bull dyke with menstrual problems.
Please see a medic.
Bless you.»

#117
« how do you profess all this when you are not a woman. But a dyke with menstrual problems which remind you on a monthly basis of your sex. Go see a medic.»

#119
« We will know in a few days whether you have passed the menstrual problems you have.”

#122
“You are just a stupid female with hormonic problems.”

#125
“It is obvious that your family were incestuous, probably Nazi, and you are trying to alleviate the guilt you harbour.»

#131
“You are a female. You sit to pee and you bleed monthly. You have not the same physical strength as a male, and you have penis envy.”

#137
“I never have stated that women should be subjected to mens control, because they are naturally that.”
“Sit down and pee.»

#143
« not only can men do what you say they cannot do, they can also juggle female breasts as well. Now that is what I call control.»

#147
« I love uterus envy. Not a day goes past whenever I explore at least one.
No point in talking to a dyke about that though. Might get you worked up.»

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9472 Nov 29, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
Agnostic atheism is something I have never understood.
To me, you are atheist OR agnostic; you cannot be both.
You deny, or you doubt.
Although I am sure that you are about to tell us that you don't agree with that.
Most of the atheists I have met, all of them in fact, in life or in writting, have strongly denied the existence of god (or God), To them, there was no compromise on that position.
I have never met an atheist who admitted doubting his position regarding the non-existence of god. Their whole philosophy is based on it!
Agnostic atheists must be a " US sect" among atheists, no? You like the joke?
Actually, being atheist just means being without theism. To be what you are calling an "atheist", which is just a non-believer, one must deny the knowledge of any actual gods. Even among we atheist, these designations are not always held to. Many of us, will not think it through and we respond as if atheism, is something that could actually exist. It doesn't. There is no "ism" connected to that which does not exist, being minus something, does not create a framework capable of supporting a dogma.

Agnostics are not theist, either. They too are non-believers, but say that it's possible that a god or gods could exist, they simply don't know. If you were to provide them proof, they would become believers, as would any of us, when given proof. Incontrovertible proof, that is.

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