Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

[rio]

KittenKoder wrote:

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English?
There are 8.something billion people, to be more accurate, 5 billion was I believe 1960.

5 billions, 8 billions, 10 billions, what's the hell?

Do you think each one of these lives on earth is going to be meaningfull?

Looks like 8 or 10 billions cabbages rotting to oblivion to me if there is no afterlife.

That doesn't give much value to life really, does it?

[rio]

EdSed wrote:

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As many of us feel we must repeat ad nauseum: I don't have any 'beleifs' in the religious sense.

I stick to that definition: "Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true."

Your affirmation in the non-existence of God IS a belief.
It may not be religious, but it is a philosophical belief.

Atheists often repute the idea that they have a belief, because they equate beliefs with superstition. Fine with me ...

[KittenKoder]

rio wrote:

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5 billions, 8 billions, 10 billions, what's the hell?
Do you think each one of these lives on earth is going to be meaningfull?
Looks like 8 or 10 billions cabbages rotting to oblivion to me if there is no afterlife.
That doesn't give much value to life really, does it?

Since English is not your primary language, I'll try to be nice about your failure to use proper grammar. Each life is as meaningful as that person makes it, it's no more meaningful than that. People make their own meaning and purpose for their life, whether they choose a wish filled cookie cutter one, or you stand up and make a truly meaningful life, it's still your choice. But when you die, unless you make a purpose in life that's for living, your life will be meaningless when you die. No one who focuses on death is ever truly alive.

[Dubbadub]

I've a problem taking anything on face value. I really do.

The only thing that makes me think there is something else is not near death experiences.

Its those ''out of body'' experiences people who have died and came back have had. Where they were hovering above their dead body.

Experiences where they could see and tell exactly what was happening to them like they were alive. They can say exactly what was happening yet they were dead.

That sort of stuff is unexplainable......

[KittenKoder]

Dubbadub wrote:

I've a problem taking anything on face value. I really do.
The only thing that makes me think there is something else is not near death experiences.
Its those ''out of body'' experiences people who have died and came back have had. Where they were hovering above their dead body.
Experiences where they could see and tell exactly what was happening to them like they were alive. They can say exactly what was happening yet they were dead.
That sort of stuff is unexplainable......

You are doing exactly what you say you don't do. Why do you lie?

[Dubbadub]

KittenKoder wrote:

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You are doing exactly what you say you don't do. Why do you lie?

Not really though.

If people can say exactly where doctors, family etc were in the room and what they were doing after they were dead.

That is pretty unexplainable. You know?

[Nikki]

rio wrote:

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5 billions, 8 billions, 10 billions, what's the hell?
Do you think each one of these lives on earth is going to be meaningfull?
Looks like 8 or 10 billions cabbages rotting to oblivion to me if there is no afterlife.
That doesn't give much value to life really, does it?

Ah the ever returning "Is this it?" question.
In the words of Richard Dawkins: "What do you mean is this it? THis is wonderful."

I think the fact that our lives are relatively short makes them more precious, not less. We only truly get how great a gift life is because we can contrast it with death, in the same way we wouldn' t be able to comprehend light without darkness or good without evil. They're two sides of the same coin and one is meaningless without the other.

[Nikki]

rio wrote:

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I stick to that definition: "Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true."
Your affirmation in the non-existence of God IS a belief.
It may not be religious, but it is a philosophical belief.
Atheists often repute the idea that they have a belief, because they equate beliefs with superstition. Fine with me ...

Does that mean we are both members of the 'I believe in the non-existence of flying purple dinosaurs' club?

[KittenKoder]

Dubbadub wrote:

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Not really though.
If people can say exactly where doctors, family etc were in the room and what they were doing after they were dead.
That is pretty unexplainable. You know?

You are taking it at face value, and not even wondering if these stories are at all true. Anyone with even a small amount of knowledge in how the brain works knows that people hallucinate pretty convincing alternate realities when under the stresses of brain suffocation. So yes, you are taking it at face value without being skeptical, or even intelligent.

[Dubbadub]

KittenKoder wrote:

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You are taking it at face value, and not even wondering if these stories are at all true. Anyone with even a small amount of knowledge in how the brain works knows that people hallucinate pretty convincing alternate realities when under the stresses of brain suffocation. So yes, you are taking it at face value without being skeptical, or even intelligent.

I find out of body experiences interesting.

How can someone who is dead tell exactly what was going on around their body while they were dead?

NDE's yeah could be hallucination. But out of body experiences where the person can tell word for word movement for movement what was going on in that room after they were dead?

[KittenKoder]

Dubbadub wrote:

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I find out of body experiences interesting.
How can someone who is dead tell exactly what was going on around their body while they were dead?
NDE's yeah could be hallucination. But out of body experiences where the person can tell word for word movement for movement what was going on in that room after they were dead?

How can you tell that they didn't make it up? That's just the first point. The rest would take a decade to explain it to you.

[Dubbadub]

KittenKoder wrote:

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How can you tell that they didn't make it up? That's just the first point. The rest would take a decade to explain it to you.

If they're not selling a book, and strangers such as doctors etc who were present at the time are saying its true. What excuse would they have to lie? If they're not profitting from it. You know?

How could it take so long to explain?

[KittenKoder]

Dubbadub wrote:

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If they're not selling a book, and strangers such as doctors etc who were present at the time are saying its true. What excuse would they have to lie? If they're not profitting from it. You know?
How could it take so long to explain?

You are just as gullible as any religious person.

[Khatru]

What do you call a Muslim that owns a camel and a goat?

Bisexual

[Dubbadub]

KittenKoder wrote:

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You are just as gullible as any religious person.

Well this discussion was a bit pointless.

Good day to you.....

[Khatru]

Did you hear about the Muslim strip club?

It features full facial nudity.

[soapman]

youtube.com/watch... Old Farts or Young Stinkers? religon is fading is locations

[rio]

KittenKoder wrote:

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How can you tell that they didn't make it up? That's just the first point. The rest would take a decade to explain it to you.

You mean that we are all idiots, but that you have a superior intelligence, right?
That's how YOU can understand everything, but your explanations would go over our heads, yes?

[rio]

KittenKoder wrote:

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You are just as gullible as any religious person.

Or YOU are just as gullible as any non-religious person, perhaps?

You aren't suffering from a superiority complex, by any chance?

[KittenKoder]

Dubbadub wrote:

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Well this discussion was a bit pointless.
Good day to you.....

When you want to talk science you don't bring fantasy and myth to the table.