Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 Full story: Psychology Today 23,198

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Since: Mar 11

United States

#9124 Nov 20, 2012
I have a nice laugh when you rejects have to change your screen name because you got your @ss handed to you so badly.

:)
rio wrote:
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You seem to leave the door open to belief here...
Just like if you had doubt in what you say.
I have doubt too, but I feel more comfortable in believing in some sort of surnatural force, God, etc... than to deny its existence.
rio

UK

#9126 Nov 20, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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So you are going to waste your life worshiping something just because you really want it to be real, regardless of the lacking evidence or the people you are making very wealthy by doing so.
Those who want their lives to have meaning leave behind a legacy of progress, change for the better, footsteps that no others can fill.
Who says I worship,or I make anyone wealthy?
I am no Mormon, or Scientoloogist, or subscribing to an established religion; I just believe in God - period!

Oh, and 5 billions of human beings can all give meaning to their lives on this earth, all at ionce, right?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9127 Nov 20, 2012
rio wrote:
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Who says I worship,or I make anyone wealthy?
I am no Mormon, or Scientoloogist, or subscribing to an established religion; I just believe in God - period!
Oh, and 5 billions of human beings can all give meaning to their lives on this earth, all at ionce, right?
English?

There are 8.something billion people, to be more accurate, 5 billion was I believe 1960.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#9128 Nov 20, 2012
rio wrote:
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You seem to leave the door open to belief here...
Just like if you had doubt in what you say.
I have doubt too, but I feel more comfortable in believing in some sort of surnatural force, God, etc... than to deny its existence.
I'm afraid you seem to me to have trouble comprehending what I wrote.

As many of us feel we must repeat ad nauseum: I don't have any 'beleifs' in the religious sense. Perhaps if you hear it in song?...
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
(Sorry for Jonny's bad language :-)
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#9129 Nov 20, 2012
rio wrote:
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...Just like if you had doubt in what you say....
Doubt in what I say? My mind doesn't work that way.

I only believe anything as far as it is justified by reason and evidence. Surely nobody should believe anything beyond what is justified by reason and evidence? My beliefs therefore change with reasoning and evidence.

For instance, if I had been born over 700 years ago, I might have believed that reason and evidence proved the world was flat. So I would regard the world as being flat as a fact. When I discovered evidence that the world is in fact round(ish), I would change what I believe. I don't just believe there is a god or not according to which makes me feel better.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#9130 Nov 20, 2012
It isn't a queston of 'doubt in what I say'. I will happily question any or ALL my beliefs, every day. It might not be wise to trust anyone unwilling to question what they believe.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#9131 Nov 20, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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English?
There are 8.something billion people, to be more accurate, 5 billion was I believe 1960.
5 billions, 8 billions, 10 billions, what's the hell?

Do you think each one of these lives on earth is going to be meaningfull?

Looks like 8 or 10 billions cabbages rotting to oblivion to me if there is no afterlife.

That doesn't give much value to life really, does it?
rio

Beckenham, UK

#9132 Nov 20, 2012
EdSed wrote:
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As many of us feel we must repeat ad nauseum: I don't have any 'beleifs' in the religious sense.
I stick to that definition: "Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true."

Your affirmation in the non-existence of God IS a belief.
It may not be religious, but it is a philosophical belief.

Atheists often repute the idea that they have a belief, because they equate beliefs with superstition. Fine with me ...

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9133 Nov 20, 2012
rio wrote:
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5 billions, 8 billions, 10 billions, what's the hell?
Do you think each one of these lives on earth is going to be meaningfull?
Looks like 8 or 10 billions cabbages rotting to oblivion to me if there is no afterlife.
That doesn't give much value to life really, does it?
Since English is not your primary language, I'll try to be nice about your failure to use proper grammar. Each life is as meaningful as that person makes it, it's no more meaningful than that. People make their own meaning and purpose for their life, whether they choose a wish filled cookie cutter one, or you stand up and make a truly meaningful life, it's still your choice. But when you die, unless you make a purpose in life that's for living, your life will be meaningless when you die. No one who focuses on death is ever truly alive.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#9134 Nov 20, 2012
I've a problem taking anything on face value. I really do.

The only thing that makes me think there is something else is not near death experiences.

Its those ''out of body'' experiences people who have died and came back have had. Where they were hovering above their dead body.

Experiences where they could see and tell exactly what was happening to them like they were alive. They can say exactly what was happening yet they were dead.

That sort of stuff is unexplainable......

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9135 Nov 20, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
I've a problem taking anything on face value. I really do.
The only thing that makes me think there is something else is not near death experiences.
Its those ''out of body'' experiences people who have died and came back have had. Where they were hovering above their dead body.
Experiences where they could see and tell exactly what was happening to them like they were alive. They can say exactly what was happening yet they were dead.
That sort of stuff is unexplainable......
You are doing exactly what you say you don't do. Why do you lie?

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#9136 Nov 20, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You are doing exactly what you say you don't do. Why do you lie?
Not really though.

If people can say exactly where doctors, family etc were in the room and what they were doing after they were dead.

That is pretty unexplainable. You know?
Nikki

Haacht, Belgium

#9137 Nov 20, 2012
rio wrote:
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5 billions, 8 billions, 10 billions, what's the hell?
Do you think each one of these lives on earth is going to be meaningfull?
Looks like 8 or 10 billions cabbages rotting to oblivion to me if there is no afterlife.
That doesn't give much value to life really, does it?
Ah the ever returning "Is this it?" question.
In the words of Richard Dawkins: "What do you mean is this it? THis is wonderful."

I think the fact that our lives are relatively short makes them more precious, not less. We only truly get how great a gift life is because we can contrast it with death, in the same way we wouldn' t be able to comprehend light without darkness or good without evil. They're two sides of the same coin and one is meaningless without the other.
Nikki

Haacht, Belgium

#9138 Nov 20, 2012
rio wrote:
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I stick to that definition: "Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true."
Your affirmation in the non-existence of God IS a belief.
It may not be religious, but it is a philosophical belief.
Atheists often repute the idea that they have a belief, because they equate beliefs with superstition. Fine with me ...
Does that mean we are both members of the 'I believe in the non-existence of flying purple dinosaurs' club?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9139 Nov 20, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
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Not really though.
If people can say exactly where doctors, family etc were in the room and what they were doing after they were dead.
That is pretty unexplainable. You know?
You are taking it at face value, and not even wondering if these stories are at all true. Anyone with even a small amount of knowledge in how the brain works knows that people hallucinate pretty convincing alternate realities when under the stresses of brain suffocation. So yes, you are taking it at face value without being skeptical, or even intelligent.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#9140 Nov 20, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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You are taking it at face value, and not even wondering if these stories are at all true. Anyone with even a small amount of knowledge in how the brain works knows that people hallucinate pretty convincing alternate realities when under the stresses of brain suffocation. So yes, you are taking it at face value without being skeptical, or even intelligent.
I find out of body experiences interesting.

How can someone who is dead tell exactly what was going on around their body while they were dead?

NDE's yeah could be hallucination. But out of body experiences where the person can tell word for word movement for movement what was going on in that room after they were dead?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9141 Nov 20, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
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I find out of body experiences interesting.
How can someone who is dead tell exactly what was going on around their body while they were dead?
NDE's yeah could be hallucination. But out of body experiences where the person can tell word for word movement for movement what was going on in that room after they were dead?
How can you tell that they didn't make it up? That's just the first point. The rest would take a decade to explain it to you.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#9142 Nov 20, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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How can you tell that they didn't make it up? That's just the first point. The rest would take a decade to explain it to you.
If they're not selling a book, and strangers such as doctors etc who were present at the time are saying its true. What excuse would they have to lie? If they're not profitting from it. You know?

How could it take so long to explain?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9143 Nov 20, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
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If they're not selling a book, and strangers such as doctors etc who were present at the time are saying its true. What excuse would they have to lie? If they're not profitting from it. You know?
How could it take so long to explain?
You are just as gullible as any religious person.

Since: Apr 08

Nottingham, UK

#9144 Nov 20, 2012
What do you call a Muslim that owns a camel and a goat?

Bisexual

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