Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Well, atheism is already the majority view amongst the population of the world in general, even if people go through the motions of religion just to fit in with others of their tribe.
Many people stick with their religion not out of absolute belief in the dogma, but because it gives them a sense of identity.

Some people feel the need to belong to a community and to keep their traditions: a religion provides the support for both.

Atheists don't form a community.
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ronan wrote:
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Many people stick with their religion not out of absolute belief in the dogma, but because it gives them a sense of identity.
Some people feel the need to belong to a community and to keep their traditions: a religion provides the support for both.
Atheists don't form a community.
how would you know? but moslems get to play the race card as well as the "islamophobic" card, so perhaps it was a good idea for you to join. Like Galloway!
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nothing to see here Sonny wrote:
<quoted text>how would you know? but moslems get to play the race card as well as the "islamophobic" card, so perhaps it was a good idea for you to join. Like Galloway!
I read, I listen, I watch, that's how I know.

Even people who have doubts about their religion don't reject it altogether, because stepping out of a religion could be seen as provocative to their environment, their family, etc...

Many couples who marry in Church don't strictly follow Christianity, belong to a parish or follow Christian precepts in their life; but they still want a big ceremony with their family, with all the pump and ostentation that go with it. That kind of marriage is for cultural identity.

Following a religion is also for some migrants a form of social protection, like for the many Carbibean churches, or the Muslims in poor areas.
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"with all the pump and ostentation that go with it. That kind of marriage is for cultural identity" interesting! I don't recall having a pump at my wedding.

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You don't think it will ever happen? Your thought is faith based. You think whatever is comforting to you. It is happening. As for evidence, with the advent of satellite telecommunications and the Internet, the secret is out: Your church is the evidence.
How do you think we discovered the pedophile sex ring operating in the Catholic Church?
The statement that Atheism will defeat religion is also faith-based.

I won't defend the mal-practices of the Church. Yet there is no evidence that atheists are never involved in such things.

I think you will agree with me.

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The statement that Atheism will defeat religion is also faith-based.
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It is not faith based it is called reading the numbers. I don't know about 2038 but it will happen.
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nothing to see here Sonny wrote:
"with all the pump and ostentation that go with it. That kind of marriage is for cultural identity" interesting! I don't recall having a pump at my wedding.
But I hope you had some "pomp and ceremony", otherwise what would be the point, eh?

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I don't think it will ever happen; since there is not a single evidence with the atheists that the Creator God does not exist.

If you have give it here.
it's not our job to prove that things don't exist, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. Proof or Gtfo
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It all depends by what people mean by "defeat".

Atheists becoming the majority of people on the planet?

Atheists banning religions?

Most people drifting away from religion turn to become agnostics anyway.

Atheism itself is some form of faith.
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it's not our job to prove that things don't exist, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. Proof or Gtfo
Your are on the wrong path here.

A religious belief doesn't have to be proven; that's why we speak about FAITH.

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<quoted text>Do you have any evidence that there are no invisible sock gremlins?

If you have it, give it here.
That had to be one of the most ignorant responses that I have ever heard. I may or may not agree with your philosophy, but that was just stupid.

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Mar1980 wrote:
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it's not our job to prove that things don't exist, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders. Proof or Gtfo
When you don't have an evidence that the Creator God does not exist; then you contradict yourself.

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ronan wrote:
<quoted text>Your are on the wrong path here.

A religious belief doesn't have to be proven; that's why we speak about FAITH.
I see you appeal to ignorance...
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I see you appeal to ignorance...
Absolutely not, its you who are without argument on the matter.
People have to decide for themselves if they wish to believe in the existance of God or not; his existence cannot be proven, no more than his non-existence.
Having FAITH is believing in something or someone without needing proof, something that is unpalpable or abstract.
Believers put their trust in God,
Atheists put their trust in science to deny his existence.
Agnostics do not commit themselves.
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Capitalism is the only hope humanity has to survive and flourish.
Atheism and capitalism are not incompatible. Stick a giant "exhibit A" sticker on Ayn Rand. Capitalism is an economic system, atheism is merely a disbelief that there is a god, a belief (or lack thereof) which is compatible with any form of economy.

That said, clearly an unalloyed capitalism leads inevitably to a concentration of wealth in fewer and fewer hands. This disparity leads to social instability, as the haves become more wealthy and the have-nots become poorer. That is ultimately unsustainable, as eventually the have-nots will have so little investment in the social order that a violent re-ordering of society will result. In Europe, this fact has been recognized, and capitalism continues in a hybrid form, with elements of socialism mixed in to keep the wealth disparity modulated, and to assure that the have-nots get enough to stave off general discontent. Even in the US, the government has intervened several times to re-set the economy, similar to a cook reducing the heat to keep the pot from boiling over. First, Teddy Roosevelt and the "trust busters" broke up the combinations that were suppressing competition and promoting the concentration of wealth. Then, FDR's New Deal created a safety net which mitigated the poverty prevalent during the depression. This reduced the pressure in society the same way a safety valve on a boiler would. After WWII, massive government spending on defense, coupled with the GI Bill creatied opportunities for large numbers of veterans to go to college and buy homes. This led to a boom in the middle class, and narrowed the income gap between the wealthiest and the rest of the nation.

Since then, we have seen yet another period of great consolidation of wealth in a smaller and smaller portion of the population. At the same time, business has fundamentally changed. From a nation of small businesses, we have become a nation of mega-corporations. I am old enough to remember when pharmacies were owned by the pharmacist behind the counter. There were supermarkets, but there were also small corner butcher shops. Most banks were local banks, and when they loaned you money, they did not sell your mortgage off to investors, leaving you to deal with 'servicers' located hundreds of miles away from you. Now, opening an independent pharmacy or butcher shop would be financial suicide, as the chains can exploit their size and economies of scale to out advertise you and to deliver the same product more cheaply. Local banks have mostly been devoured by the mega-banks. Just try opening a hamburger stand in competition with McDonalds, BK and Wendy's. That will work. Try finding a local hardware store.

Unless there is another 'safety valve' moment, capitalism will reach its final form, with a privileged permanent elite and a permanent underclass. If you are not already a wealthy CEO, guess which group you will be in.
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Religion will cease to exist sometime in the 21st century.
Not unless the human fear of death disappears by the end of the 21st century. A fairy tale ending that takes away the finality of death in favor of eternal life in paradise (with a corresponding eternal torture of People We Don't Like) is too good a fantasy for some people to let go of. Reason vs. reality is a contest where one side is constrained by the rules of reality, while the other side has the freedom to make up anything they want. Religion gets a fourth strike, a fourth out, a pinpoint strike zone when it is at bat, and an unlimited strike zone when it is pitching.

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When you don't have an evidence that the Creator God does not exist; then you contradict yourself.
How many times does have to be said:-

You can't prove a negative.
i.e. Prove Santa does not exist.

People who make an extraordinary claim, "There is a god."
Have to prove their case, with evidence.
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People who make an extraordinary claim, "There is a god."
Have to prove their case, with evidence.
No they don't; belief in God is something personal.

A believer doesn't have to prove his/her belief.

It would turn into a very sterile dicussion anyway, with both sides trying to outdo the other.

What's the point anyway? Has anyone forced you to believe in God?

Spirituality will never be an exact science like mathematics.
Some people need spirituality, other don't.

By the way, I would class myself as agnostic, although raised as a Christian. But I have admired the faith of some people around me at times. I just don't share it, but never felt the need to dismiss it.
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How many times does have to be said:-
You can't prove a negative.
i.e. Prove Santa does not exist.
People who make an extraordinary claim, "There is a god."
Have to prove their case, with evidence.
Of course you can prove a negative.

There is no full size living African elephant in my garage.

Two plus two is not seven.
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nothing to see here Sonny wrote:
"with all the pump and ostentation that go with it. That kind of marriage is for cultural identity" interesting! I don't recall having a pump at my wedding.
At my wedding,
I was jumping for joy,
I was feeling Merry.
Then i was pumping Ethyl.

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