Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24178 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Psychology Today.

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#22067 Apr 18, 2014
EdSed wrote:
Not if programmed correctly<quoted text>
http://english.alarabiya.net/en/life-style/ar...
:-)
'Give me a boy under 7.....'
Religionists need to get them while they're young.
Theology = mythology
Of course.

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Fennario

#22068 Apr 19, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
02. Yes Athiesm is only based on negation, how can you build any civilization which has nothing positive in it. 03. Are you coining a new term "Secular Humanism"? I am unawre of any of these terms. The term itself is not known to people.
What is Secularism and what is Humanism and what it has to do with Athiesm?
You have a lot of reading to do. And you are obviously unqualified to discuss let alone critique Western secular philosophy, which has as little to do with atheism as Communism and astrology do, all three being worldviews contradictory to theistic worldviews, and therefore atheistic, but otherwise having nothing else in common.
MUQ1 wrote:
So called progress of Western Nations is what was built by people who believed in religion
All progress is made by people rejecting the dogma of religion in part or whole, and utilizing their human capacity to reason and feel empathy to develop new ideas. If some of those people believe in gods, so what? Their faith is not what led them to innovate.

What good idea has come from Christianity or Islam in the last several hundred years? I already know the answer:not one.

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Fennario

#22069 Apr 19, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
but these so called Athiests now claim that it was they who built all this, in reality they did not do any thing, they are just like parasites piggy backing on people who are believers in religion.This is temporary phase and would vanish like so many isms that were before it. Only religion and only Islam would be left in the end. That is what is its destiny.!!
Religion is the passing phase. The religious period in human history will be remembered as the phase that connected the time when man was first able to wonder about where the universe came from, how it works, and what was his place is in it, to the time when he found satisfactory answers. It will take centuries for the last of it to disappear, but religion will lose its social and political importance long before that happens.

At this juncture, religion is still doing significant damage to various cultures, including yours and mine. The West is ahead of the Islamic world in ridding itself of its infection. The continental Europeans and the English speaking states apart from America lead the way, with the Americans just now awakening, and Latin America the least evolved ideologically.

You people are still ululating and blowing yourselves up.

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Fennario

#22070 Apr 19, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
01. Suicide and Suicide Bombing is not allowed in Islam. To kill one' own self or to kill knowingly any innocent human being whether Muslim or Non Muslim is not allowed in Islam.
Sure it is. Everything that happens is allowed. Muslims that don't approve can't stop it.
MUQ1 wrote:
In rarest of the rare cases, in theaters of war, using this technique to cause maximum harm to enemy forces is what many Islamic Scholars approve of.
Your scholars are terrorists, too? You must be proud.
MUQ1 wrote:
. I am not aware of Quranic verse that says "They love death more than life"
Why would that matter? We're not defining or judging your religion by its book, but by its entire culture - its people and what they do.

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#22072 Apr 19, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did Adams get those ideas? His bible? Hardly.
Where is the evidence that anybody believed such things before the Enlightenment and minds like Locke, Montesquieu, Rousseau, and Voltaire?
Giving lip service to some god that did nothing to secure those rights means nothing.
They gave abundant lip service to God. None to humanism or secular ethics. Rights derived from creation by God is the unmovable rock of the American founding.

The English can't be read any other way.

Even if we go back and start over with a different philosophy, it won't change the record.

Buck Crick

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#22073 Apr 19, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did Adams get those ideas? His bible? Hardly.
Where is the evidence that anybody believed such things before the Enlightenment and minds like Locke, Montesquieu, Rousseau, and Voltaire?
Giving lip service to some god that did nothing to secure those rights means nothing.
"A striking distinction of the American Enlightenment was how successfully, at least at the public level, it incorporated this moderation from the British constitutional tradition even while harmonizing nature and freedom. It would be easy to illustrate-from a variety of sources ranging from pre-revolutionary pamphlets and the Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms to the writings of George Washington to the post-revolutionary law lectures of James Wilson-that Americans understood the doctrine of human rights to be anchored in man's place in the nature of things, in his peculiar station between the beasts and God."

The Nature of Rights in American Politics: A Comparison of Three Revolutions
By Charles R. Kesler, Ph.D.

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3rd rock from the sun.

#22074 Apr 19, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
They gave abundant lip service to God. None to humanism or secular ethics. Rights derived from creation by God is the unmovable rock of the American founding.
The English can't be read any other way.
Even if we go back and start over with a different philosophy, it won't change the record.
Todays leaders and politicos give abundant lip service.....<shrugs>

The founding fathers were deists, not theists.

Buck Crick

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#22075 Apr 19, 2014
The idea that our rights come from God was a universal sentiment among the founding fathers. One of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and of the Constitution was James Wilson, who was appointed to the first Supreme Court by George Washington.

Justice Wilson served there for about a decade. Then he delivered "Lectures on Law" at the College of Philadelphia from 1789 through 1791, wherein he declared the divine origin of law. He said:

"That law, which God has made for man in his present state; that law, which is communicated to us by reason and conscience, the divine monitors within us, and by the sacred oracles [scripture], the divine monitors without us .... As promulgated by reason and the moral sense it has been called natural; as promulgated by the
holy scriptures, it has been called revealed law ....But it should always be remembered, that this law, natural or revealed, made for men or for nations, flows from the same divine source; it is the
law of God..."

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#22076 Apr 19, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny, the communists were also sure that communism was to be the destiny ogf mankind.
Yes, so many isms believe in the same thing and they fade from memory. Only the truth remains standing.

The same fate is for fads like Materialism and Atheism and other isms.

It is only religions that stand test of time,.... and one religion which faces all these isms is?

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#22077 Apr 20, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
Yes, so many isms believe in the same thing and they fade from memory. Only the truth remains standing.
The same fate is for fads like Materialism and Atheism and other isms.
including islamism, in spite of self-claiming owner of the truth.
Spider

Saint Ives, UK

#22078 Apr 20, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, so many isms believe in the same thing and they fade from memory. Only the truth remains standing.
The same fate is for fads like Materialism and Atheism and other isms.
It is only religions that stand test of time,.... and one religion which faces all these isms is?
Satanism

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Fennario

#22079 Apr 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
"It would be easy to illustrate-from a variety of sources ranging from pre-revolutionary pamphlets and the Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms to the writings of George Washington to the post-revolutionary law lectures of James Wilson-that Americans understood the doctrine of human rights to be anchored in man's place in the nature of things, in his peculiar station between the beasts and God."
The Nature of Rights in American Politics: A Comparison of Three Revolutions
By Charles R. Kesler, Ph.D.
Not as easy as just saying it.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#22080 Apr 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
The idea that our rights come from God was a universal sentiment among the founding fathers. One of the signers of the Declaration of Independence and of the Constitution was James Wilson, who was appointed to the first Supreme Court by George Washington.
Justice Wilson served there for about a decade. Then he delivered "Lectures on Law" at the College of Philadelphia from 1789 through 1791, wherein he declared the divine origin of law. He said:
"That law, which God has made for man in his present state; that law, which is communicated to us by reason and conscience, the divine monitors within us, and by the sacred oracles [scripture], the divine monitors without us .... As promulgated by reason and the moral sense it has been called natural; as promulgated by the
holy scriptures, it has been called revealed law ....But it should always be remembered, that this law, natural or revealed, made for men or for nations, flows from the same divine source; it is the
law of God..."
You seem to have ignored all of this, Buck:

Do you think it a coincidence that during the Age of Faith that governments were theocratic monarchies operating under the theory of the divine right of kings, but that with the Age of Reason came the American Constitution with its secular government and personal political rights and freedoms? Where was theism and the rights you allege sprang from it for all of those centuries during the Middle Ages?

And this:

Christianity is the enemy of democracy, freedom and rights. There is no concept of freedom or rights in its bible, just commandments and threats. Christian ethics do not value autonomy or self-actualization . It's all about submission: meekness, submission, breaking the ego, obedience, obeisance, and worship. Where humanism advocate freedom from religion and the dignity of humanity, Christianity commands us to worship its god and only its god. It continually reminds us of our dependence, our fallen nature, and our inability to self-govern. Christianity is still reeling over free will, the exercise of which we are told will result in severe punishment.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#22081 Apr 20, 2014
MUQ1 wrote:
Yes, so many isms believe in the same thing and they fade from memory. Only the truth remains standing. The same fate is for fads like Materialism and Atheism and other isms.

It is only religions that stand test of time
Nonsense.

More religions have faded into history than presently exist. Here are some of gods, only one of which still has its religion:

Nergal, Obatala, Aigle, Aglauros, Egle, Heget, Yun Dun, Väinämöinen, Varpulis, Chloris, Bilfrost, Big Head, Nokomis, Charun, Cotys, Ull, Shen Nong, Angak' Chin Mana, Atropos, Nefertum, Nocoma, Nijole, Almudj, Ken, Skylla, Cauac, Zemyna, Koko, Xi Wangmu, Tiwaz, Chac Xib Chac, Coltus, Huang Gun, Djanggawul, Skadi, Erythia, Camenae, Hurrican, Nik, Ereshkegal, Thiassi, Kothar, Tamendonare, Madderakka, Arsnuphis, Anatiwa, Igigi, Turan, Seti, Dian Cecht, Heqet, Thalassa, Feng Shui, Philammon, Anet, Chu Jung, Anapel, Hemere, Hukere, God G, Da Yu, Styx, God E, Dreamtime, Kybele, Dijun, Muses, BellBirdBrothers, Endovelicus, Li Ba Bai, Atai, Xiuhtecuhtli, Estasanatlehi, Amalthea, Silvanus, Gucup Cakix, Achelois, Li Er, Neit, Arnakuagsak, Ndo'yet, Okypete, Buku, Untunktahe, Awitelin Tsta, Mwambu, Po, Laertes, Hapakhered, Mamaragan, Huixtocihuatl, Chu Pa Chieh, Ruhanga, Atahensic, Kan Ajana, Yan Luo Wang, Mephitis, Liu Hai, Calliope, Sinaa, Mehen, Ceucy, Gurumukas, T'ao T'ieh, Unktehi, Dylan, Geirskokul, Sandy, Ashtoreth, Kwatee, Ch'uang K'ung, Palee, Huwawa, Onuris, Rig, Baldur, Latinus, Nyikang, Coqui Huani, Harakan, Kanassa, Nun, Orans, Kamonou, Echidna, Hemera, Mamaragan, Han Hsien Tzu, Fotla, Issitoq, Viracocha, Sui Ren, Itzamna, Bon Dieu, Piquete Zina, Basuki, Bellifluficus, Spider Woman, Amun Ra, Illuyankas, Radgrid, Atum, Kek, Jesus, Xuan Zang, Wuluwait, Cronus, Borr, Autrimpas, Amesha Spentas, Luk Xing, Month, Porewit, Ga Gaah, Tartaros, Guede, Mani, Ephialtes, Yu Shun, Charites, Allowat Sakima, Macuilcozcacuahtli, Tethys, Ix Chup, Things, Dongo, Metis, Sphinx, Jotunheim, Oreades, Louhi, Ah Tzul, Wandjina, Amn, Zephyros, Chulyen, Mamitu, Tlahuixcalpantec, Moloch, Auster, Suttung, Samanelis, Kumokum, DreamtimeSnake, Snoqalm, Striges, Namorodo, Thanatus, Rosmerta, Lofn, Sothis, Akbul, Rindr, Nereides, Ahuramazda, Taueret, Nine Worlds, Hypnos, Pihuechenyi, Pichana Gobeche, Menoetius, Leto, Xmulzencab, God S, Alicha, Ploutos, God Ch, Lu Ban, Ouranos, Xaman Ek, Kerberos, Blodeuedd, Tawhiri Ma Tea, Kherty, Tai Sui Xing, Hsi Ho, Yin, Hero Twins, Hope, Hun Nal Ye, Paiva, Limoniads, Ah Tzenul, Beydo, Ch'u Kiang Wang, Ramakian, Sibilja, Sosom, Kwolam, Khonsu, Jiang Qin Guang, Hodur, Invidia, Demas, Evus, Tuatha De Danann, Mon Moko, Theia, Yambe Akka, Lei Chen Tzu, Varuna, Valkyrja, Ah Puch, Soko, Gede, Mama Oullo, Atum Ra, Andai, Chalchiuhtlicue, Ehi, Athene, Icovellauna, Apollon, Jarilo, Cabracan, Asshur, Cocijo, Ned Er Tcher, Yu Ch'iang, Sha Wu Ching, Legba, Ix Chel, Penie, Poros, Sito, Pan, Annona, Taru, Ahea, Mebere, Zakar, Ilaheua, Zhao Xuantan, Shou Lao, Milu, Mimi, Taoism, Fornax, Epimelides, Orixa, Eshu, Gondul, Achilles, Cetha, Kapoonis, Darana, Manes, Roonikka, Quetzalcoatl, Tezcatlipoca, Harensnuphis, Kotihaltia, Alklha, Anaitis, Herne, Tammuz, Wuraka, Sigu, Heimdallr, Vari, Sotuknang, Ankhe, Oya, Philomena, The Diablesse, Itaba, Tsilah, Ursule, Vierge, Yemaya , Zaka

Buck Crick

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#22082 Apr 20, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to have ignored all of this, Buck:
Do you think it a coincidence that during the Age of Faith that governments were theocratic monarchies operating under the theory of the divine right of kings, but that with the Age of Reason came the American Constitution with its secular government and personal political rights and freedoms? Where was theism and the rights you allege sprang from it for all of those centuries during the Middle Ages?
And this:
Christianity is the enemy of democracy, freedom and rights. There is no concept of freedom or rights in its bible, just commandments and threats. Christian ethics do not value autonomy or self-actualization . It's all about submission: meekness, submission, breaking the ego, obedience, obeisance, and worship. Where humanism advocate freedom from religion and the dignity of humanity, Christianity commands us to worship its god and only its god. It continually reminds us of our dependence, our fallen nature, and our inability to self-govern. Christianity is still reeling over free will, the exercise of which we are told will result in severe punishment.
The American founding was unique, not beholden to comply with any "Age".

Maybe they were foolish to act as they did. But act they did.

"The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity".- John Adams

"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity".- John Adams

“The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”- United States Congress 1782

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#22083 Apr 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The American founding was unique, not beholden to comply with any "Age".
Maybe they were foolish to act as they did. But act they did.
"The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity".- John Adams
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity".- John Adams
“The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”- United States Congress 1782
The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.(misattribution; actual author John Quincy Adams)
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#22084 Apr 20, 2014
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.(misattribution; actual author John Quincy Adams)
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Brilliant!

Two fake "quotations" perpetuated by True Believers™ in support of an equally fake BuyBull.

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Since: Mar 14

3rd rock from the sun.

#22085 Apr 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
<quoted text>
The American founding was unique, not beholden to comply with any "Age".
Maybe they were foolish to act as they did. But act they did.
"The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity".- John Adams
"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity".- John Adams
“The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”- United States Congress 1782
"What is it the Bible teaches us?-- rapine, cruelty, and murder. What is it the Testament teaches us?-- to believe that the Almighty committed debauchery with a woman engaged to be married, and the belief of this debauchery is called faith.” Thomas Paine

Oh, I can play this all day!

"There is not one redeeming feature in our superstition of Christianity. It has made one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites." Thomas Jefferson

Did you know that when Martha was baptized into a church, George sat outside and read a newspaper until she was ready to go home?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#22086 Apr 20, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense.
More religions have faded into history than presently exist. Here are some of gods, only one of which still has its religion:
Nergal, Obatala, Aigle, Aglauros, Egle, Heget, Yun Dun, Väinämöinen, Varpulis, Chloris, Bilfrost, Big Head, Nokomis, Charun, Cotys, Ull, Shen Nong, Angak' Chin Mana, Atropos, Nefertum, Nocoma, Nijole, Almudj, Ken, Skylla, Cauac, Zemyna, Koko, Xi Wangmu, Tiwaz, Chac Xib Chac, Coltus, Huang Gun, Djanggawul, Skadi, Erythia, Camenae, Hurrican, Nik, Ereshkegal, Thiassi, Kothar, Tamendonare, Madderakka, Arsnuphis, Anatiwa, Igigi, Turan, Seti, Dian Cecht, Heqet, Thalassa, Feng Shui, Philammon, Anet, Chu Jung, Anapel, Hemere, Hukere, God G, Da Yu, Styx, God E, Dreamtime, Kybele, Dijun, Muses, BellBirdBrothers, Endovelicus, Li Ba Bai, Atai, Xiuhtecuhtli, Estasanatlehi, Amalthea, Silvanus, Gucup Cakix, Achelois, Li Er, Neit, Arnakuagsak, Ndo'yet, Okypete, Buku, Untunktahe, Awitelin Tsta, Mwambu, Po, Laertes, Hapakhered, Mamaragan, Huixtocihuatl, Chu Pa Chieh, Ruhanga, Atahensic, Kan Ajana, Yan Luo Wang, Mephitis, Liu Hai, Calliope, Sinaa, Mehen, Ceucy, Gurumukas, T'ao T'ieh, Unktehi, Dylan, Geirskokul, Sandy, Ashtoreth, Kwatee, Ch'uang K'ung, Palee, Huwawa, Onuris, Rig, Baldur, Latinus, Nyikang, Coqui Huani, Harakan, Kanassa, Nun, Orans, Kamonou, Echidna, Hemera, Mamaragan, Han Hsien Tzu, Fotla, Issitoq, Viracocha, Sui Ren, Itzamna, Bon Dieu, Piquete Zina, Basuki, Bellifluficus, Spider Woman, Amun Ra, Illuyankas, Radgrid, Atum, Kek, Jesus, Xuan Zang, Wuluwait, Cronus, Borr, Autrimpas, Amesha Spentas, Luk Xing, Month, Porewit, Ga Gaah, Tartaros, Guede, Mani, Ephialtes, Yu Shun, Charites, Allowat Sakima, Macuilcozcacuahtli, Tethys, Ix Chup, Things, Dongo, Metis, Sphinx, Jotunheim, Oreades, Louhi, Ah Tzul, Wandjina, Amn, Zephyros, Chulyen, Mamitu, Tlahuixcalpantec, Moloch, Auster, Suttung, Samanelis, Kumokum, DreamtimeSnake, Snoqalm, Striges, Namorodo, Thanatus, Rosmerta, Lofn, Sothis, Akbul, Rindr, Nereides, Ahuramazda, Taueret, Nine Worlds, Hypnos, Pihuechenyi, Pichana Gobeche, Menoetius, Leto, Xmulzencab, God S, Alicha, Ploutos, God Ch, Lu Ban, Ouranos, Xaman Ek, Kerberos, Blodeuedd, Tawhiri Ma Tea, Kherty, Tai Sui Xing, Hsi Ho, Yin, Hero Twins, Hope, Hun Nal Ye, Paiva, Limoniads, Ah Tzenul, Beydo, Ch'u Kiang Wang, Ramakian, Sibilja, Sosom, Kwolam, Khonsu, Jiang Qin Guang, Hodur, Invidia, Demas, Evus, Tuatha De Danann, Mon Moko, Theia, Yambe Akka, Lei Chen Tzu, Varuna, Valkyrja, Ah Puch, Soko, Gede, Mama Oullo, Atum Ra, Andai, Chalchiuhtlicue, Ehi, Athene, Icovellauna, Apollon, Jarilo, Cabracan, Asshur, Cocijo, Ned Er Tcher, Yu Ch'iang, Sha Wu Ching, Legba, Ix Chel, Penie, Poros, Sito, Pan, Annona, Taru, Ahea, Mebere, Zakar, Ilaheua, Zhao Xuantan, Shou Lao, Milu, Mimi, Taoism, Fornax, Epimelides, Orixa, Eshu, Gondul, Achilles, Cetha, Kapoonis, Darana, Manes, Roonikka, Quetzalcoatl, Tezcatlipoca, Harensnuphis, Kotihaltia, Alklha, Anaitis, Herne, Tammuz, Wuraka, Sigu, Heimdallr, Vari, Sotuknang, Ankhe, Oya, Philomena, The Diablesse, Itaba, Tsilah, Ursule, Vierge, Yemaya , Zaka
I doubt you know anything about these names, just copied from somewhere. And these are not religions.

Even that does not negate my logic.

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Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#22087 Apr 20, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
The American founding was unique, not beholden to comply with any "Age".
That can't be correct, Buck. The American founding could not have occurred until Enlightenment Age thinkers like Locke, Montesquieu, Rousseau and Voltaire had laid the philosophical foundation for a liberal, democratic, secular state. It could not have happened in 800 AD, 1000 AD or 1200 AD, even though the Christian bible was already centuries old.

In fact, that bible, in which the model for government was monarchy and the claim of a divine right of kings to rule, was used to defend the ancien régime. With only Christian philosophy in play, dictatorship is the rule. It's the biblical model for the relationship between god and mankind,kind and subject, slave owner and slave, husband and wife, and parent and child - all absolute rule. That is the legacy and contribution of Christianity and god belief to the field of civil rights and personal political freedom

So why should I be crediting the church for my rights? The creator to which the founders referred could not have been the Christian god.

Perhaps you'd like to credit the deist god, who left no bible, and who had no effect on the universe after creating it and leaving it to evolve. Is that who you would like to credit and thank for your rights?

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