Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 20 comments on the Apr 25, 2012, Psychology Today story titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Turning coffee into theorems”

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#21465 Feb 23, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Craig's argument is not from incredulity, and trying to dismiss it as such is the dodge of a simpleton.
You can only say this if you didn't listen to the debate, or else didn't pay any attention to what Craig said.

There were any number of times in Craig's rebuttal to Carroll, and in the Q&A session, where Craig responded to some point that Carroll had made by saying (something like) "I just don't see how that can be." And would leave it at that.

In other words, Craig was expressing his incredulity, and was using his incredulity as an argument.

And only a simpleton would claim it was otherwise.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

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#21466 Feb 23, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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You don't have the slightest clue what inductive reasoning is, do you?
You should not watch or comment on such debates. You look like a fool.
You aren't very good at reading and understanding what other's are saying, are you?

It is the rubes that Craig is preaching to that don't understand inductive logic. They are the ones that don't see inductive logic as an "indication of likelihood". They see it as absolute proof. And Craig knows this. How could he not.

And so when Craig says "I am not saying this is proof of God", he is doing nothing more than trying to cover his ass with the skeptics. He knows his primary audience will hear something different.

Why do you fall for this con man? You seem to fall for every con man that feeds you a religious line of shi'ite. Barton, the Discotute, and now Craig.

“Turning coffee into theorems”

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Trapped inside a Klein Bottle

#21467 Feb 23, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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If their treatments of the subject don't acknowledge that atheism means the absence of a god belief without a concomitant assertion that gods definitely do not exist, then they are incomplete and out of date,
Nuance, subtleties of meaning, don't exist in Buck's world.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#21468 Feb 23, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
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Atheists say that there is no proof of God, no proof of any eternal life
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Well and good, but why do they insist on attacking those who don't need these proofs?

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#21469 Feb 23, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I'm an atheist, and I don't make that claim..
That's because you are a fraud!

All atheists I know claim there is no god; they vehemently affirm it.

You must be the exception.

Theists claim there is a god or gods.

Atheists claim there is no god.

Thee is no room in between!!

Maybe it's time you stop splitting hair and playing to the gallery and confess if you are an atheist or you don't know what you are!!

You may think you are entertaining in your little coterie, but you are just a charlatan pretending what you are when you are not.

I expect a long, long rely now that I have rattled your cage!!! LOL

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#21470 Feb 23, 2014
rio wrote:
Well and good, but why do they insist on attacking those who don't need these proofs?
You have choosen a side, so that you don't want to see believers' attacks.
Just as you didn't see the absurdity of willing to proove that something doesn't exist.
If something doesn't exist, there is no mean to prove it, or just explain how you would experiment on nothing, why I've noticed the total lack of intelligence and logic asking such demonstration.

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Charlie's

#21471 Feb 23, 2014
rio wrote:
Theists claim there is a god or gods.
Atheists claim there is no god.
Thee is no room in between!!
Yes there is, peoples in that room call themselves agnostics.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#21472 Feb 23, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
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Yes there is, peoples in that room call themselves agnostics.
If they are agnostics, they aren't atheist!

This thread is about atheism defeating (whatever that means) religions.

Are you now telling me that agnostics are part of the atheists?
rio

Beckenham, UK

#21473 Feb 23, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
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You have choosen a side, so that you don't want to see believers' attacks.
Just as you didn't see the absurdity of willing to proove that something doesn't exist.
If something doesn't exist, there is no mean to prove it, or just explain how you would experiment on nothing, why I've noticed the total lack of intelligence and logic asking such demonstration.
In this argument, the atheists want proof from the theists, but get away from the burden of proof themselves.

A very convenient situation.

Most theists don't need proofs to believe; it's a spiritual journey atheists are unable to grasp.

I think you need proof when you want to convince somebody of something; that's hardly the case.

We should get away from such confrontation.

It seems that atheism is very virulent in North America, probably because their society is so religiously oppressive over there.

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#21474 Feb 23, 2014
rio wrote:
If they are agnostics, they aren't atheist!
This thread is about atheism defeating (whatever that means) religions.
Are you now telling me that agnostics are part of the atheists?
Are you of low understanding ?
I said that agnostics were bitwin theism and atheism, because they doubt either a God exists, or the problem is over human intelligence

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#21475 Feb 23, 2014
rio wrote:
In this argument, the atheists want proof from the theists, but get away from the burden of proof themselves.
A very convenient situation.
Because the theist, claim that God exists
rio wrote:
Most theists don't need proofs to believe; it's a spiritual journey atheists are unable to grasp.
I think you need proof when you want to convince somebody of something; that's hardly the case.
I see in that thread some religionners angry to display their beliefs too, manily the muslim one, for whom the says of the prophet are divinely inspired, thus words of God
rio wrote:
We should get away from such confrontation.
It seems that atheism is very virulent in North America, probably because their society is so religiously oppressive over there.
UK atheists are very virulent too,
And you look you have sided with believers because some atheists made personnal attacks about your private life.
rio

Beckenham, UK

#21476 Feb 23, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
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Because the theist, claim that God exists
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I see in that thread some religionners angry to display their beliefs too, manily the muslim one, for whom the says of the prophet are divinely inspired, thus words of God
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UK atheists are very virulent too,
And you look you have sided with believers because some atheists made personnal attacks about your private life.
To be honest, on an human level, I feel closer to believers than to atheists.

Atheists met on forum like this are often pseudo-intellectuals with no substance, but a huge chip on the shoulder.

At least there is something honest in religionists, even if it is not well structured and seems innocent.

As far as I feel, saying no god ever exists because you cannot prove it, is a bit like saying love never exist either because you cannot prove it.
But these are personal emotions, at the core of each individual.

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#21477 Feb 23, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
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Are you of low understanding ?
I said that agnostics were bitwin theism and atheism, because they doubt either a God exists, or the problem is over human intelligence
So, there are atheists, agnostics and theists.

If, big IF, atheist are going to "defeat religion by 2038", what happens to the agnostics?

Do they come third? LOL

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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#21478 Feb 23, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Yes, that was Part I < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =n1A9vrsw6HwXX > beginning at about 0:38 in with reference to the question how two billion people can be wrong (about Christianity).
You might recall that only 25% of tested subjects refused to go along with the group at least once, coincidentally about the same fraction that answered "none" in the most recent American religious self-identification surveys.
You may also recall these words at the end of the video: "Even the presence of a single dissenting ally is enough to reduce conformity by 80%. So stand up for yourself. Express your doubts. And ask tough questions. Others may often secretly agree, needing only your example before speaking out"
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I'll repost the links to that series for those interested, in part because I have added to it, and wanted to share those links as well:
The Psychology of Belief from AntiCitizenX
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[5] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[6] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[7] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[8] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[9] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[10] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I found nine more videos from the same source comprising two more series bundled here
http://www.youtube.com/watch... (all 9 parts), which are also available unbundled. The last four are a response to objections to the first five.
Philosophical Failures of Christian Apologetics from AntiCitizenX
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[4](unable to find separately)
[5] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Responding to Objections from AntiCitizenX
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[3] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
[4] http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I'm only about a third of the way through all of this myself, but have learned from it, enjoyed it, and intend to see it all eventually.
Thanks.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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#21479 Feb 23, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Blob, did you provide your research on your claim that southern states resisted abolition of slavery for fear slaves would engage in same-sex relations?
I never made that claim Oh Most Stupid Of All Stupid People.

I am continually amazed that you can display such utter and complete stupidity, as in the above.

But this is hardly surprising: you **are** a wife beater and a child abuser.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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#21480 Feb 23, 2014
Buck Crick wrote:
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Buck didn't write the academic references.
What you are really saying, Dumbass, is these people do not understand athesim:
Academic American Encyclopedia
Random House Encyclopeda
Oxford Companion to Philosophy
Dictionary of Philosophy
World Book Encyclopedia
Encyclopedia Americana
The New Encyclopedia Britannia
The Encyclopedia of Philosophy
Encyclopedia of Religion
Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics
Funk and Wagnall's New Encyclopedia
There is you claim - none of these understand atheism, but you, a low-intellect Topix hack, do understand it, and we should take what you say over them.
Sorry, little feller. No dice.
NONE of your "references" agree with you, Oh Most Stupid Of All Stupid People.

Sorry-- but your lies are so easy to refute, a Cave Man could do it.

The thing is?

A Cave Man would be better educated that you are now....

... sad.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

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#21481 Feb 23, 2014
Darwins Stepchild wrote:
And only a simpleton would claim it was otherwise.
Well.... the Buckster **is** The Most Stupid Of All Stupid People, so yes-- he's a simpleton.

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#21482 Feb 23, 2014
rio wrote:
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If they are agnostics, they aren't atheist!
100% false.

A person **can** be an atheist **and** an agnostic.

I am, for example.

You seriously are clueless as to the meaning of either "agnostic" or "atheist"

Sad.

You may well give the Buckster a run for the title of Most Stupid Of All Stupid People.

Good luck in that endeavor.

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#21483 Feb 23, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
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Are you of low understanding ?
I said that agnostics were bitwin theism and atheism, because they doubt either a God exists, or the problem is over human intelligence
Actually, that would be false, according to the most strict of definitions of either word.

Atheist simply means without theism (i.e. without faith in theistic ideas, such as gods)

Agnostic simply means without knowledge of theism, which means that an agnostic does not believe it is possible to **know** about theistic ideas, such as gods.

So an agnostic-atheist is someone who has no faith in gods, and does not believe it's possible to **know** about gods either.

A slightly alternative take on agnosticism is that an agnostic does not believe there is any knowledge or information with respect to gods.

( the differences are subtle )

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#21484 Feb 23, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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( the differences are subtle )
Unlike you then; you have won the title of Most Stupid Of All Stupid People,

added to the First Prize for being the Most Obnoxious Prick Of All Obnoxious Pricks.

Now enjoy ....

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