Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24178 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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oneear69

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#21303 Feb 18, 2014
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because there are many Quacks in the market, does not mean that there is no Specialist Doctor any where.
You have to ask those who believe in Santa clause and others, from where they got it?
What we say about God is based on true revelation to our prophet peace be on him.
If you do not want to believe it, it is your choice.
Our aim is to give people the message, so that you should not claim ignorance on the last day.
yes but where is the responsibility of any religion, to take care of the life on this planet. As you say , religion is a personal choice, yet there is plenty of sectarian violence through out the world. Isn't the responsibility of all mankind , not that of respect and understanding, to cherish and respect all life. That it is this false hope of an absurd thought of life after death, that gives people a reason not to deal with our reality and the global problems that we all face.
rio

Bromley, UK

#21304 Feb 18, 2014
Ha, ha, ha the atheist self-appreciation society engaged in mutual masturbation.

Funny, really funny....

Quantum who thinks I am permanently banned from Topix! Hilarious
How do I manage to post if I am banned?
You can hope that I melt down, darling; it ain't happening soon!

The preacher Ain't So getting hot under the collar wen asked questions..
Now he wants apologies Apologies? Get a life a$$hole !!!

Thinking, another moralist judging other people's lives...
He guesses that I am Muslim; why not Zoroastrian, or Jain, eh?

I leave you to play in your sandpit and feeling important.

Jeez, religionists seem almost decent compared to you oddballs like you!!!
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#21305 Feb 18, 2014
oneear69 wrote:
<quoted text> yes but where is the responsibility of any religion, to take care of the life on this planet. As you say , religion is a personal choice, yet there is plenty of sectarian violence through out the world. Isn't the responsibility of all mankind , not that of respect and understanding, to cherish and respect all life. That it is this false hope of an absurd thought of life after death, that gives people a reason not to deal with our reality and the global problems that we all face.
Most of the problems in the world are due to fact that people have forgotten about next life, they only talk and think about present lives and think that is they pass thru this life, there is no more blame on them.

They think, whatever they do for the sake of their nation and their country and their tribe and their clan is no sin and justifiable. We see nations oppressing weaker nations, wealthy exploiting poor people and every type of fraud being committed.

These problems exist is rich as well as poor country..... man made laws are not being able to solve any of these problems. Rise in standard of living and advances in science and technology are not being able to solve the basic problem.

That is why, unless you have belief in accountability of humans, that does not end with you life, but starts when you die, that is the belief which transforms you from inside.

And this is the belief which most people forget and that is what Quran insists on maximum... There is hardly any page of Quran where this belief is not repeated.

What is happening in Many Muslim countries is only because people do not really believe in this personal accountability, even though they say it with their tongue.

How can any one who believes in Hereafter will knowingly kill innocent humans? Old people, women and children.

I am talking about fundamentals and not justifying any crime committed by Muslims or Non Muslims.

God is Just and He is Creator of Both Muslims and Non Muslims. He will judge and call to account every one.

That is why belief in life after death is fundamental and only thing which can correct human behaviour.
Spider

Littleport, UK

#21306 Feb 19, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? Then he's worse than I knew.
I hope that nobody minds my reaction to him and the others. I have no respect for such people, and feel that they should not be permitted to take pot shots at unbelievers just for being unbelievers without paying a price for it. They feel privileged - like their ideas deserve respect and tolerance, but ours can be responded to with character or intelligence attacks. That's how it has been for centuries: self-righteous theist telling unbelievers that they are in rebellion, or immoral, or that our lives have no meaning or purpose, or that we will be judged and condemned to torture. Enough. It isn't necessary to be polite to such people any more, and I can't see why I would.
In any event, I apologize to the unbelievers present that are made uncomfortable by my present posting style. Please bear with me until he either stands down or disappears for good. His choice to continue attacking rather than showing contrition is not acceptable.
Don't let them get to you, it's really not worth lowering yourself to their level.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21307 Feb 19, 2014
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
Usually, when he finally melts down, he resorts to threats of death (and worse). That always gets the ban-hammer, and most of his crap hits the bit-bucket. His only real legacy is quotes by others, which accidentally preserve his crap.
He *is* fun to toy with, though-- he's seriously OCD, and absolutely cannot resist using the icons on his own posts. If you put a few negatives on his crap? He is compelled to over-post them the next time he shows up. It is so very amusing to toy with him in this way, but I've grown bored with it of late. In fact, I've grown bored with Topix, apart from a select few (such as yourself).
:)
Thanks for the kind words, Bob, and the added insights regarding this poster.

If there are mental illness issues, then appealing to his sense of decency is likely pointless. Still, I don't think that bad behavior should get a pass.

Why do these people gravitate to religion, and what part does faith based thought play in the formation of these cognitive defects? I cannot say, but the range and distribution of personalities among the faithful is distressing, and suggests a role for faith based thinking to me, which is just wishing. Looked at from that perspective, don't we all have a duty to speak against this scourge?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21308 Feb 19, 2014
MUQ wrote:
What we say about God is based on true revelation to our prophet peace be on him. If you do not want to believe it, it is your choice.
You other have no access to any information about gods or metaphysics not available to every other person on the planet.
MUQ wrote:
Our aim is to give people the message, so that you should not claim ignorance on the last day.
Our aim is to contradict your message, so that others don't have to live in ignorance every day of their lives. Look at how little it has done for the theists posting on this thread, and how much more intellectual, emotional, social and spiritual development occurs for those outside of faith.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21309 Feb 19, 2014
rio wrote:
I leave you to play in your sandpit and feeling important.
I wish you would. You are disliked and disrespected here.
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#21310 Feb 19, 2014
As a rational sceptic, I can only base my judgement on his flaky posts.

He says he is married to non observant muslims yet is livid if you dare to use words like taqiyya, and he hates the pub!
It aint necessarily so wrote:
<quoted text>
Is he Muslim?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21311 Feb 19, 2014
Spider wrote:
Don't let them get to you, it's really not worth lowering yourself to their level.
Thanks for your concern, but this feels right.

Maybe you misunderstand the effect of such people on people like me who draw a line in the sand. They are not getting to me. I simply don't accept their sense of special status or their treatment of unbelievers.

We will be getting to them. The church is in retreat in the culture, and the faithful need to learn their proper place in it, which does not include maligning unbelievers simply for challenging their beliefs, however sacred they may consider them.

Also, I don't agree that this course of action is lowering myself. I deal with children one way, pets another, and these people a third way. None of it is lowering myself.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#21313 Feb 19, 2014
wrote:
1.

You just didn't think about Time, can Time exist by itself ? did Time came with Universe?

And you still cannot refute that all the creation stories and concepts of God are man-made and your omnipotent timeless God is the produce of your imagination as the produce of the imagination of the so-called desert preachers you call prophets.

2.

So that when a tsunami strikes Indonesia killing almost 300 000 peoples, mainly muslims, men, women and kids, that's your watching and controlling every thing God's will.

3.

Strange concept of a god you have.
For me, tsunami is consequence of accidental seism, no God did miraculously warned peoples to have refuge on the hills

4.

The answer is that Jesus 's as well as Buddha's disciples were willing to share their master's Good Word, while the Jews transmitted their prophets' stories and says from generation to generation
and by the way, that proves that your Prophet, thought supposed to be illiterated, wasn't a deaf man.
Ans.

1. Time also is a created thing. There was no time before big bang as per my understanding .

Time is relative according to the theory of relativity.

I cannot comment on what are all the Creation stories. It depends on the source. Any thing which God revealed to His prophets and messengers is absolute truth, any man made theory is subject to correction.

2. Tsunami or Katrina or any of the natural disasters, they happen with the will of God. What is real reason, He only knows.

3. Tsunami might be result of "accidental seism"…. But it is no "accident"!!

3. Jesus' or Buddha' disciples might be willing to share their master's teachings with others, but we have to check and verify, how much of what we have with us, really came from them and how much other people added or removed from it.

Yes our prophet was not deaf, but who was saying all these things in Arabia 1400 years back?

And that too for 23 years after prophet declared his mission, with his enemies and rejecters on the prowl.

It does not make sense, does it?
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#21314 Feb 19, 2014
Read wrote:
1. So this god of yours, when did he create the universe, how long did it take, what did he make it from and where did he come from?

2. You're the one with a childish idea of the origins of everything. Rather than even attempt to explain it you refuse to go no further than some arbitrary point in time where you claim god created man. All this despite having zero evidence to back you up and swathes of evidence saying this theory is wrong.
Ans.

1. I do not know the exact date and that is not relevant. What is of importance is the basics and rest is upto you, to investigate if you want.

We deal with the fundamentals and the end result, if after breaking your head, you come to the same conclusion which was given to you, it is your own stupidity.

2. Why you say, I am alone with "theory" of Creation? This is what most religions on the earth would tell you.

I do not know any scientific proof that says that things created themselves or they just came by chance or as a result of permutation and combination.

PS:

And what is this God of yours? Is there ANY OTHER God in the Universe?

Tell God about it, He is not aware of any one else besides Him!!
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#21315 Feb 19, 2014
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Most of the problems in the world are due to fact that people have forgotten about next life, they only talk and think about present lives and think that is they pass thru this life, there is no more blame on them.
They think, whatever they do for the sake of their nation and their country and their tribe and their clan is no sin and justifiable. We see nations oppressing weaker nations, wealthy exploiting poor people and every type of fraud being committed.
These problems exist is rich as well as poor country..... man made laws are not being able to solve any of these problems. Rise in standard of living and advances in science and technology are not being able to solve the basic problem.
That is why, unless you have belief in accountability of humans, that does not end with you life, but starts when you die, that is the belief which transforms you from inside.
And this is the belief which most people forget and that is what Quran insists on maximum... There is hardly any page of Quran where this belief is not repeated.
What is happening in Many Muslim countries is only because people do not really believe in this personal accountability, even though they say it with their tongue.
How can any one who believes in Hereafter will knowingly kill innocent humans? Old people, women and children.
I am talking about fundamentals and not justifying any crime committed by Muslims or Non Muslims.
God is Just and He is Creator of Both Muslims and Non Muslims. He will judge and call to account every one.
That is why belief in life after death is fundamental and only thing which can correct human behaviour.
If someone gets their morality from other sources, what then?

Both christianity and islam say that a buddhist monk will burn in hell for all eternity for not believing in their version of god. Even though the buddhist has such reverence for life that he sweeps the ground before he walks on it in order to avoid killing even a single insect.

In fact in catholocism the Buddhist would go to hell yet someone like hitler would go to heaven as long as they confessed to a preist before they died.

Morality clearly isn't an issue for that god, merely that he be worshipped.
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#21316 Feb 19, 2014
I agree. Defeat is an emotive word. What does it mean? Gaining the majority position? Extinguishing the other position?

But if you look at the youth in the UK, way over 50% are not believers. So, for them, non belief is already more important than religion.

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/06/24/british-y...
oneear69 wrote:
I don't think Atheism will overcome religion by 2038, there is to much instability and fear in the world, something that religions thrive on. Add in the decline of relevant public education. And you got a soup of disillusioned paranoid zealots.
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#21317 Feb 19, 2014
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
1. I do not know the exact date and that is not relevant. What is of importance is the basics and rest is upto you, to investigate if you want.
We deal with the fundamentals and the end result, if after breaking your head, you come to the same conclusion which was given to you, it is your own stupidity.
2. Why you say, I am alone with "theory" of Creation? This is what most religions on the earth would tell you.
I do not know any scientific proof that says that things created themselves or they just came by chance or as a result of permutation and combination.
PS:
And what is this God of yours? Is there ANY OTHER God in the Universe?
Tell God about it, He is not aware of any one else besides Him!!
Science tells us the universe is 13 and a bit billion years old and was created instantaneously. The religious tell us it wasn't. Science has evidence for their assertions.

Just like the question of where everything came from you are also deliberately running away from the question of when it all started. You say it is irrelevant, yet clearly it is fundamental.

Are there any other gods? Sadly there are billions, each being slightly different and each existing only in the mind of an individual believer. Every believer has a different concept of god. I asked what yours was and you were apparently unwilling to say.

Why do you refuse to say what you beleive? Is it because Saudi has religious police?

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#21318 Feb 19, 2014
MUQ wrote:
1. Time also is a created thing. There was no time before big bang as per my understanding .
Time is relative according to the theory of relativity.
How can you say that God preexisted big bang with no time to say what was before or after ?
You are out of any logic
MUQ wrote:
I cannot comment on what are all the Creation stories. It depends on the source. Any thing which God revealed to His prophets and messengers is absolute truth, any man made theory is subject to correction.
Only men can decide that they have God revealed truth
MUQ wrote:
2. Tsunami or Katrina or any of the natural disasters, they happen with the will of God. What is real reason, He only knows.
3. Tsunami might be result of "accidental seism"…. But it is no "accident"!!
Are you conscious that you describe a God with murderous will ?
And you want peoples to adore such a being ?

Your beliefs are such hammered in your brain than you can even advocate the most repulsive things about your God
rio

Bromley, UK

#21319 Feb 19, 2014
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I wish you would. You are disliked and disrespected here.
Wow, I am all broken up about that !! Not a lot ...

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Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#21320 Feb 19, 2014
MUQ wrote:
PS:
And even the Most Stupid Persons have a right to live!!
does your religion grant such rights?

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#21321 Feb 19, 2014
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
How is it that I replied to CrimeaRiver and get an answer from you?
Are you CrimeaRiver as well?
public forum

difficult concept for you?
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#21322 Feb 19, 2014
You've broken up again? Wife number six, look out!
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, I am all broken up about that !! Not a lot ...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21323 Feb 19, 2014
MUQ wrote:
Most of the problems in the world are due to fact that people have forgotten about next life
No problems in the world are due to living as if this is the only life we will have. However, many are due to the belief in that pie in the sky.
MUQ wrote:
they only talk and think about present lives
I recommend that you do the same. You are useless to the rest of us if your attention is fixed on imagined issues outside of the universe
MUQ wrote:
They think, whatever they do for the sake of their nation and their country and their tribe and their clan is no sin and justifiable.


Nationalism is just another form of petty tribalism like religion, complete with the mythology (Moses in the reeds or Washington and the cherry tree), patriarchs (Abraham or Jefferson) symbolism (crosses or flags), documents (papyrus or parchment), and doctrine (original sin or manifest destiny). Each are systems designed to get people to turn over taxes and tithes, and to be willing to die for somebody else's agenda.

We are residents of our local communities and of the earth. The rest is not important.
MUQ wrote:
We see nations oppressing weaker nations, wealthy exploiting poor people and every type of fraud being committed.
Just like organized religion.
MUQ wrote:
man made laws are not being able to solve any of these problems.
All verbal laws are man made. Some men have claimed that gods gave them laws and told them to tell everybody else, but they are lying or mentally ill.

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