Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 23869 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#21262 Feb 17, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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It does not matter what names you give.....the Universe was not existent before a time....then it came into existence.
This is creation.
Whom you are trying to fool? Yourself really
Once again:

This means your god can't possibly be part of the universe.
rio

Bromley, UK

#21263 Feb 17, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
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I cast doubts about peoples who haven't filled a profile that doesn't show how many messages they have written, and you haven't.
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So what , Never entered a conversation you didn't participate since the very begining ?
Registering a profile is meaningless: you can file SEVERAL profiles and send posts under SEVERAL IDs, so what's the point?

In case you don't know (which I doubt), apart from sending post under your registered ID, you still can send under an unregistered one. Some people compulsion to register, and I am one of them.
Topix doesn't make it compulsory to register.

But it is obvious that some people back up their opinion by sending posts under different IDs. Same phraseology, same syntax, same punctuation, etc ...
rio

Bromley, UK

#21264 Feb 17, 2014
rio wrote:
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Some people compulsion to register, and I am one of them.
To read:

Some people have no compulsion to register, and I am one of them.
Thinking

Yeovil, UK

#21265 Feb 18, 2014
Mr Five Wives still doesn't know what a public forum is...
rio wrote:
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How is it that I replied to CrimeaRiver and get an answer from you?
Are you CrimeaRiver as well?
Ungle Jiva

UK

#21266 Feb 18, 2014
MUQ wrote:
What did Prophet say?(The Other side)
What did prophet preach?(The other side of story)
Selection from the book MISHKAT AL MASABEEH (an authentic collection of sayings of prophet) Part-3
Subject: FAQR
16. said Ayesha Prophet’ wife “The household of Prophet never ate full stomach for two consecutive days, till he breathed his last”
17. Reported Umar, the companion of prophet “I saw that prophet was reclining on a bed made of Date leaves, till its imprints were on his body, and his pillow was made of skin.
“I said “O prophet of Allah, rulers of Rome and Persia enjoy all the luxuries of this world and you a prophet of Allah is in this state”
Prophet Said “O Umar are you still out of understanding? Are you not content that they get all their rewards in this world, while we get out rewards in the hereafter”
18. Prophet PBUH said “Look at those who are having lesser worldly possessions than you and do not look at those who are given more provisions than you, only then you will be grateful of the bounties which Allah has given you”
19. Prophet PBUH said “If some one starts loving me, straitness of means comes to him faster than water which flows to a lower level”
20. Prophet PBUH said to his companion MAAZ Ibn JABAL “Do not indulge in luxuries of life, for good servants of Allah do not over indulge in these things”
21. Prophet PBUH said “If anyone has no food, but he hides it with people, Allah will provide him provision for one year”
22. Prophet PBUH said “If man has two forests full of provision, he would long for a third one, man’ desires are only filled with dust (i.e after his death)”
23. Prophet PBUH said “Live in the world like a traveller and like a stranger, and keep in remembrance those who are in graves”
“AU KAMA QAAL ALAIHI AL SALAT WA SALAAM (Prophet PBUH said these or similar words)
Contd.
none of this is exclusive to Islam. Jesus said the same thing.

Even Buddha who isn't a God or a prophet said these exact same things 1000 years earlier than Mohamed.

The Middle path is a term you may have heard. Its a Buddhist mantra that teaches Buddhists to be moderate in everything they do. To not eat more than you need, to not accumulate material goods that you will never use, to not seek splendour for the sake of it.

Untimately, Life is suffering because the cause of suffering is WANT. While we WANT for everything, we suffer.

I'm not a practising Buddhist (if there is such a thing) but I'm just trying to point out that morality and righteousness can be taught without the need for God

Buddha didn't need to be a prophet of Allah to say the exact same things, but 1000 years earlier.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#21267 Feb 18, 2014
Ungle Jiva wrote:
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none of this is exclusive to Islam. Jesus said the same thing.
Even Buddha who isn't a God or a prophet said these exact same things 1000 years earlier than Mohamed.
The Middle path is a term you may have heard. Its a Buddhist mantra that teaches Buddhists to be moderate in everything they do. To not eat more than you need, to not accumulate material goods that you will never use, to not seek splendour for the sake of it.
Untimately, Life is suffering because the cause of suffering is WANT. While we WANT for everything, we suffer.
I'm not a practising Buddhist (if there is such a thing) but I'm just trying to point out that morality and righteousness can be taught without the need for God
Buddha didn't need to be a prophet of Allah to say the exact same things, but 1000 years earlier.
Collect all the sayings of Jesus and Buddha and every one else....and then compare them with what our prophet said.

And what if they say the same thing?

Did Islam claim that it is a new religion?

Does it not confirm what earlier prophets said?

The question is , how come our prophet "remembered" so many sayings of old prophets and Jesus and Buddha?

He could not read, or write or studied under some teacher? And Arabia of those days was not famous for religious knowledge.

I have just started posting some of his sayings, it is only the second part, keep on reading and see how much depth and sincerity is there in his sayings.

What sort of picture you get from these readings? And them compare what his enemies are putting in front of you.
MUQ

Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

#21268 Feb 18, 2014
I can read wrote:
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Once again:
This means your god can't possibly be part of the universe.
It is RIDICULOUS to believe that Creator is part of His own Creation!!

No Creator is part of his Creation.

The God is above and separate from what He Created. But He is observing and aware of each and every detail of what is going on and He is watching and controlling every thing.!!

You people have a very limited and very faulty concept of God and that is why I see so many childish remarks about God and His powers on these threads.

Why don't you people grow up?
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#21269 Feb 18, 2014
MUQ wrote:
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It is RIDICULOUS to believe that Creator is part of His own Creation!!
No Creator is part of his Creation.
The God is above and separate from what He Created. But He is observing and aware of each and every detail of what is going on and He is watching and controlling every thing.!!
You people have a very limited and very faulty concept of God and that is why I see so many childish remarks about God and His powers on these threads.
Why don't you people grow up?
So this god of yours, when did he create the universe, how long did it take, what did he make it from and where did he come from?

You're the one with a childish idea of the origins of everything. Rather than even attempt to explain it you refuse to go no further than some arbitrary point in time where you claim god created man. All this despite having zero evidence to back you up and swathes of evidence saying this theory is wrong.

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#21270 Feb 18, 2014
MUQ wrote:
It does not matter what names you give.....the Universe was not existent before a time....then it came into existence.
This is creation.
Whom you are trying to fool? Yourself really
You just didn't think about Time, can Time exist by itself ? did Time came with Universe?

And you still cannot refutate that all the creation stories and concepts of God are man-made and your omnipotent timeless God is the produce of your imagination as the produce of the imagination of the so-called desert preachers you call prophets.

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#21271 Feb 18, 2014
MUQ wrote:
It is RIDICULOUS to believe that Creator is part of His own Creation!!
No Creator is part of his Creation.
The God is above and separate from what He Created. But He is observing and aware of each and every detail of what is going on and He is watching and controlling every thing.!! You people have a very limited and very faulty concept of God and that is why I see so many childish remarks about God and His powers on these threads.
Why don't you people grow up?
So that when a tsunami strikes Indonesia killing almost 300 000 peoples, mainly muslims, men, women and kids, that's your watching and controlling every thing God's will.
MUQ wrote:
You people have a very limited and very faulty concept of God and that is why I see so many childish remarks about God and His powers on these threads.
Why don't you people grow up?
Strange concept of a god you have.
For me, tsunami is consequence of accidental seism, no God did miraculously warned peoples to have refuge on the hills
CrimeaRiver

UK

#21272 Feb 18, 2014
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
It is RIDICULOUS to believe that Creator is part of His own Creation!!
No Creator is part of his Creation.
The God is above and separate from what He Created. But He is observing and aware of each and every detail of what is going on and He is watching and controlling every thing.!!
You people have a very limited and very faulty concept of God and that is why I see so many childish remarks about God and His powers on these threads.
Why don't you people grow up?
Grow up? are you serious?

A child believes in Santa Claus. A miraculous man who lives at the North Pole and delivers presents to every child on the planet in one night. He has Flying reindeer and a bag that can hold millions of presents. He can see all children at all times and has a book where he decides if children have been naughty or nice.
He enters homes through the chimney and eats the cookies and milk left out for him. He has elves who help him make the toys and he wears a red and white outfit.

A child will continue to believe in Santa Claus and all the miraculous things he does right up until he/she is old enough to figure out that its all impossible. Then their parents/siblings/friends will break the news that it is all a lie.

The problem with theists is that nobody has awakened them to reality. They are sleepwalking through their life without questioning the motives of their belief.

Santa Claus is as real as God to a child.

Without the presence of someone to tell them that Santa isn't real, they will continue to believe in him their whole life.

We are that someone, and we are telling you that God is a fabrication, a moral myth designed to control you and rally you to support the whims of patriarchs, meglomaniacs, sociopaths, tyrants and dictators

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#21273 Feb 18, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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Grow up? are you serious?
A child believes in Santa Claus. A miraculous man who lives at the North Pole and delivers presents to every child on the planet in one night. He has Flying reindeer and a bag that can hold millions of presents. He can see all children at all times and has a book where he decides if children have been naughty or nice.
He enters homes through the chimney and eats the cookies and milk left out for him. He has elves who help him make the toys and he wears a red and white outfit.
A child will continue to believe in Santa Claus and all the miraculous things he does right up until he/she is old enough to figure out that its all impossible. Then their parents/siblings/friends will break the news that it is all a lie.
The problem with theists is that nobody has awakened them to reality. They are sleepwalking through their life without questioning the motives of their belief.
Santa Claus is as real as God to a child.
Without the presence of someone to tell them that Santa isn't real, they will continue to believe in him their whole life.
We are that someone, and we are telling you that God is a fabrication, a moral myth designed to control you and rally you to support the whims of patriarchs, meglomaniacs, sociopaths, tyrants and dictators
Very well stated... but you do realize you're talking to a wall, right?(no offense to walls intended)
CrimeaRiver

UK

#21274 Feb 18, 2014
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Very well stated... but you do realize you're talking to a wall, right?(no offense to walls intended)
I feel this thread has become a 'them and us' situation.

Theists are unlikely to concede any argument because that is like saying 'we are wrong'

What I would Like them to say is "we have no evidence of God but it is our personal choice to believe in Him". There is nothing atheists can say to that.

Atheists should say "present some quntifiable evidence of God and we will consider it"

But instead, theists steadfastly cling to an outdated impossible notion of an omnipotent creator and use gaps in scientific understanding as evidence.

Belief in Santa Claus is the closest thing we have to a religious model of misguided blind faith.

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#21275 Feb 18, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
Grow up? are you serious?
A child believes in Santa Claus.(...) he wears a red and white outfit.
When I was a kid, Santa Claus was the one who resurrected lost children who had been carved and salted by an evil butcher, he was dressed with golden yellow cassok, bishop miter, and cross,
not that ridiculous Coca-Cola coulours uniform

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

Location hidden

#21276 Feb 18, 2014
CrimeaRiver wrote:
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I feel this thread has become a 'them and us' situation.
Theists are unlikely to concede any argument because that is like saying 'we are wrong'
What I would Like them to say is "we have no evidence of God but it is our personal choice to believe in Him". There is nothing atheists can say to that.
Atheists should say "present some quntifiable evidence of God and we will consider it"
But instead, theists steadfastly cling to an outdated impossible notion of an omnipotent creator and use gaps in scientific understanding as evidence.
Belief in Santa Claus is the closest thing we have to a religious model of misguided blind faith.
The only believers I've come across in these threads that hold onto their beliefs and don't claim them to be anything other than their belief... also accept the reality that science describes.(A poster named "Katydid" comes to mind although I haven't seen her here in quite a while) They only mention their belief to put it out there and usually just leave it at that. They are very few and far between though.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21277 Feb 18, 2014
MUQ wrote:
The God is above and separate from what He Created. But He is observing and aware of each and every detail of what is going on and He is watching and controlling every thing.!!
Here's what George Carlin had to say on the matter:

"Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth, poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the resume of a Supreme Being. This is the kind of shit you'd expect from an office temp with a bad attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if there is a God, it has to be a man.

"No woman could or would ever fuck things up like this. So, if there is a God, I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent, and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a shit, which I admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results."
MUQ wrote:
You people have a very limited and very faulty concept of God and that is why I see so many childish remarks about God and His powers on these threads.
Your concept of a god is absurd, which is what brings out the jeering.

First, you've got the most unlikely thing imaginable existing unplanned and undesigned. Plus, there is only one. Why? Did only one form? Why not an infinite number? Did it eat its siblings?

Then you tell us how it is outside of the universe but aware of every detail in it.

Then you tell us it is in control despite all of the suffering that exists.

Your concept is childish.

Since: Dec 06

Charlie's

#21278 Feb 18, 2014
MUQ wrote:
Collect all the sayings of Jesus and Buddha and every one else....and then compare them with what our prophet said.
And what if they say the same thing?
Did Islam claim that it is a new religion?
Does it not confirm what earlier prophets said?
The question is , how come our prophet "remembered" so many sayings of old prophets and Jesus and Buddha?.
The answer is that Jesus's as well as Buddha's disciples were willing to share their master's Good Word, while the Jews transmitted their prophets' stories and says from generation to generation
and by the way, that proves that your Prophet, thought supposed to be illiterated, wasn't a deaf man.
CrimeaRiver

UK

#21279 Feb 18, 2014
DonPanic wrote:
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When I was a kid, Santa Claus was the one who resurrected lost children who had been carved and salted by an evil butcher, he was dressed with golden yellow cassok, bishop miter, and cross,
not that ridiculous Coca-Cola coulours uniform
To me, that is a perfect example of how easily our minds can be manipulated.

The fact that it has only taken a few generations to completely overhaul our perception of Santa Claus.

The Americanisation of Christmas means that we no longer consider Saint Nicholas a valid name but will accept Chris Cringle. That Santa lives at the North Pole and not in Lapland and that we cannot imagine him without the Red and White Coca Cola outfit.

It goes to show that we are slaves to commercialisation.

And that's all that religion is. The commercialisation of our need for spiritual fulfilment.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21280 Feb 18, 2014
rio wrote:
Some people have no compulsion to register, and I am one of them.
You also have no spine.

You're the spineless coward that I had hoped you were not. You post your personal slurs in response to the opinions of others, leave you own opinions, fail to answer a series of responses to you about them - presumably because you found the questions too difficult to answer and/or didn't like the tone that they were written in, which was the condign result of your ill-mannered behavior - disappear for days perhaps in the hope that it would all go away by the time you returned, and then hide from the same comments when they are presented to you a second time.

What kind of a man are you?

Those comments also offered you a way to wipe the slate clean, but like MUQ, to whom those particular words were originally, you lacked the courage to apologize for your rudeness.

You demanded respect earlier, but you're not going to get it posting like this..I suggest that if you're not up to the task of defending your words, especially your personal slurs, that you mind your mouth in the future. It can't possibly be worth it to you for the little bit of frustration you vented and the little bit of satisfaction you received being rude. You don't have to like my opinions about ideas and institutions, but if you want to respond to them by attacking me as a person, you're going to have defend yourself or just lay there like a jellyfish on the beach.

Those are the terms of debate. It's either respectful or it's not. I'll still accept your apology.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#21281 Feb 18, 2014
Thinking wrote:
Mr Five Wives still doesn't know what a public forum is...
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He seems to think that Topix s here for him to express himself, but that nobody had better contradict him, or that if they do, he'll fling his feces, abandon the mess he made, and hope to start over again later - just like with the five wives.

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