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Christianity vs Religion vs Atheism

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#164 May 21, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
again in 1981, I meant. both under Republican Presidents.(Buy I am not a Clinton fan. He did stuff I don't like, also.).
No president has actually impressed me enough to stand out. All those since the internet was connected to the world wide web have all been against freedom online, and thus they are all on my bad list.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#165 May 21, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
To what?
Nobody is asking your EXTORTIONIST god any questions, stupid.
that was to kjv and I do not object to your calling him stupid. I do not think you would be inaccurate or offending anyone we would want as a potential ally on any matter!

I recognize tht you mostly try to explain things at least in your first comment to the stupid ones, and that you do not immediately reply with an insult. You also do not immply a generalization of all, even when you do refer to "most." So I do not have a problem with you when you are annoyed enough to launch deserved insults at most of the true believer rightwing types on topix.

I will explain that I do not find that some carefulness in Skeptic.
He attacked me for comments made by someone else with a two word name beginning with an h. That is how careless he is. He also is very obscene, which is despicable in itself, and also bad coming from an atheist in that he gives atheists a bad name. He also is about an 11 on the 7 point scale of certainty that there is no God, and the top 4 points are how sure he is that he is always right. You two are very very different. you mostly represent your views in a way that could be read by rational moderate religious types as intersting arguments. and there are so few rational religious types on topix that I do not think you alienate many people whom I think do not deserve it. There are lots of rightwing types on here whom one would not want to convert or recruit as allies, because one would be ashamed to be in their company. They would give a good cause a bad name.
KJV

United States

#166 May 21, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Under your skewed definition then a pitcher is baseball is not a pitcher if he throws the perfect pitch and the batter hits it out of the park.
God created a perfect universe and world and gave man freedom of choice.
Mans sin not God brought suffering and death into the world. Just as God had told Man if he choose to sin.
God made a perfect world
God gave man freedom of choose
God created choices for man
God warned man man about the Consequence of sin.
Without choices there would not have been freedom of choice.
God did not make man as a robot he made him with both good and evil and let man choose his own path. All men (humans) have this in them. God is there to help them make the best choices if they ask.
Your dead squirrel is dead because man brought death into the world.
The person who drove the car that hit the squirrel made the choice to drive that day on that road at that speed that resulted in the squirrel getting killed.
Every choice has it's Consequences.
"

you are not one of the nice religious people. Even from your extreme theology I can tell that manyof your ethics are as evil as your theology. You blame the victim, and that is an essential element of evil.
I'm not nice?

Do you believe God will be nice when he judges you?

Hell is not a nice place:

" A place of weeping and gnashing of teeth - And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30).

A place of outer darkness - "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 22:13).

A place of torments - "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom" (Luke 16:23).

A place of Sorrows - "The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;" (2 Samuel 22:6).

A place of everlasting destruction - "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" (II Thessalonians 1:9).

A place where men are tormented with fire and brimstone - "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).

A place where fire is not quenched - "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44).

A bottomless pit - "And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" (Revelation 9:2).

A place of no rest - "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name" (Revelation 14:11).

It is ultimately a lake of fire - "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" (Revelation 20:14).

A place of hopeless of unsatisfied desires - "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame " (Luke 16:24). The rich man wanted water but could not get any."
KJV

United States

#167 May 21, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Not so KK, the perfect pitch can still be hit.
Sorry you can't follow the logic that in fact to have freedom of choice you must have choices and consequences.
"

you are so simplistic. even if there were human freedom of choice it would not be cause for anything else to suffer the consequences, if your God were fair. it is nonsense to blame either the squirrel or the driver for the fact of suffering and death. A God could not be both allgoodandallpowerful. If you wanht to admit to a partially evil God, at least that would not be impossible.
I did not BLAME God or the squirrel.

I said God gave man freedom of choice.
That freedom has Consequences!
When man first sinned death was that Consequences. Not immediately death but death just the same. There was no death on planet earth until Adams sin.
Consequences! Turn left or turn right...
Turn right and Consequences a squirrel dies. Turn left and you may have been hit by a train. You will never know.
Now say you never got in the car and stayed home.... The phone rings and you answer a question and win $200.
Consequences! Choices! Consequences! Good or bad.

You choose to believe God does not exist. Consequences!

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#168 May 21, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
I did not BLAME God or the squirrel.
I said God gave man freedom of choice.
That freedom has Consequences!
When man first sinned death was that Consequences. Not immediately death but death just the same. There was no death on planet earth until Adams sin.
Consequences! Turn left or turn right...
Turn right and Consequences a squirrel dies. Turn left and you may have been hit by a train. You will never know.
Now say you never got in the car and stayed home.... The phone rings and you answer a question and win $200.
Consequences! Choices! Consequences! Good or bad.
You choose to believe God does not exist. Consequences!
[/QUOTE]Are you all through now? You've shook the dead Jew on a stick at us and relayed the spell caster's and sooth sayer's messages.

You forgot some of the most telling ones, like this buybull-god will make you eat your children, and that he had his ass handed to him by a guy on an iron chariot.

Tell your spell casters, we ain't scared, bigger, badder and older gods have already bit the dust, and your god-myth is already on his way out too.

Do you know who those bigger, badder and older gods are? No, neither do we, once people tend to forget about a god, he just slowly dissapates, till there is nothing left.
KJV

United States

#169 May 21, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
I did not BLAME God or the squirrel.
I said God gave man freedom of choice.
That freedom has Consequences!
When man first sinned death was that Consequences. Not immediately death but death just the same. There was no death on planet earth until Adams sin.
Consequences! Turn left or turn right...
Turn right and Consequences a squirrel dies. Turn left and you may have been hit by a train. You will never know.
Now say you never got in the car and stayed home.... The phone rings and you answer a question and win $200.
Consequences! Choices! Consequences! Good or bad.
You choose to believe God does not exist. Consequences!
"

Are you all through now? You've shook the dead Jew on a stick at us and relayed the spell caster's and sooth sayer's messages.

You forgot some of the most telling ones, like this buybull-god will make you eat your children, and that he had his ass handed to him by a guy on an iron chariot.

Tell your spell casters, we ain't scared, bigger, badder and older gods have already bit the dust, and your god-myth is already on his way out too.

Do you know who those bigger, badder and older gods are? No, neither do we, once people tend to forget about a god, he just slowly dissapates, till there is nothing left.
vvvvvvvv
Buybull the great book on evolution!
^^^^^^^^^
B - bull crap
U - unproven theory
Y - yelled from the roof tops
B - beseeching all to listen to an
U - unscientific
L - loony toon
L - lie

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#170 May 21, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> I regard the ethical reasons for dismissing them as strongest - they are horrid beings. I am usually more offended by the lack of ethical standards in believers who are either apologists for an evil God or justify their own horrid actions in the name of such a God, than dismayed by the lack of rationality in believers. I assume folke are brainwashed to believe nonsense, and tolerate that in my friends far more easily than I tolerate nasty ethics. Too often the ridiculous theology supports nasty ethics, but some variations are far worse than others. I see that in the varieties of Catholics for example,,, especially in politics. I also see the difference between left and rightwing Mormons, and more progressive forces in the dominant religion in my town. There are even environmental ecumenicals, who want to save the planet by being good stewards, and that differs so much from the rightwing variety. like Bachmann and others - who think it is fine for God to hurt innocents to teach a lesson to liberals, and the types who think God will not let things get bad no matter how badly people behave with wars and pollution (climate change especially).
I agree with the idea of preserving the world for the future generations.

As such, I'm in favor of reasonable and rational approaches to things, especially environmental issues-- you cannot bankrupt the world trying to preserve every little tiny thing, but neither can you allow wanton destruction *just* for the sake of profit.

The two *must* co-exist, and be in balance.

What I find especially disturbing, though? Is the End-timer Genuine Christians™, who literally think they are so special, that their Jesus will return in a few years.

As such, their attitude is, "why bother preserving the world? It's ours to use as we see fit, and we'll be discarding it soon anyway...".

.... meh.

Such a selfish and egocentric attitude makes me ill.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#171 May 21, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> I agree entirely that churches should not be tax exempt.
Not from income tax or from property tax. Their contributions to soup kitchens and food panttries, providing there is no religious indoctrination attached, can be a legitimate charity and thus tax exempt. I think.
If you will notice the socalled IRS scandal, and what it is really about, you will see that Lawrence O'Donnell on The Last Word on MSNBC, and Senator Bill Nelson, are the ones who really understand the issue. Neither the tea party types nor progressive groups should get tax exemption under that provision of the tax code - the actual language of the law states that the exemption is EXCLUSIVELY for social welfare groups, and not for political activity. The IRS officials disregarded the wording of the law first in l959, and again in 1959, to open the door to abuse of that provision. And the Citizens United case made it possible for corporates to contribute to such groups and hide their identity, in order to pretend the groups are do-gooders, instead of special interests.
There are plenty of churches who violate the provisions giving tax exemptions to churches also, when they are participating in politics. Mormons and catholics the worst on the right, and many black churches on the Democratic side. That tax exemption should be ended as well. Some in the Senate started to investigate that, and then backed off. Grassley of Iowa, for one - because the tea party types and rightwing Christian types are very active in the Iowa gOP. They support types like Steve King in Congress, and Bachmann and Huckabee and Santorum for President.
I always thought that a reasonable compromise could be reached, with regards to tax-exemptions.

Set a cap of, say,$1 million gross revenue annually, or even $500,000 a year. Anything they bring in below that, is business as usual (tax exempt).

Anything above that, taxed like any other corporation.

This would ignore the smaller churches completely-- and likely taxing them would end them anyhow, not really solving anything, just forcing them underground to garages, backrooms and such-- nobody wins in that case.

But the super-mega incorporated Jesus Incorporated™ churches? Which rake in multiple-millions annually, and give back less than 1% of 1%? They would get hit exactly as they ought to be.

It's a compromise that would not affect your typical neighborhood church, but would affect the national "church" groups who's sole reason to be, is to lobby Congress.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#172 May 21, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
I think "outrage" is the incorrect word. I am merely pointing out their fallacies, inconsistencies, and contradictions. ;)
My only ethical objection is that they are harming people in the name of their gods all the time, and this needs to stop. If they stop this, if they stop trying to interfere with the real world, then I have no care of their existence or beliefs.
But thank you, I am glad you are posting here as well, you do offer some interesting conversation, maybe one day we will have the pleasure of disagreeing on something enough to even discuss it, it would be a nice change of pace. As you can tell, I am sick of bothering to educate these creatards, they are just too stupid to bother with now, time to focus on the next generations instead and educate just them, the older creatards are just not interested in learning.
I agree. The concrete that was poured into their brains, has long since solidified into an impenetrable mass of ignorance.

The younger crowd however? They are growing up with Al Gores' "Intertubes" (grin) and this amazing "genie" of Knowing?

Is destroying myths faster than they can be created.

Which is a good thing.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#173 May 21, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> that was to kjv and I do not object to your calling him stupid. I do not think you would be inaccurate or offending anyone we would want as a potential ally on any matter!
I recognize tht you mostly try to explain things at least in your first comment to the stupid ones, and that you do not immediately reply with an insult. You also do not immply a generalization of all, even when you do refer to "most." So I do not have a problem with you when you are annoyed enough to launch deserved insults at most of the true believer rightwing types on topix.
I will explain that I do not find that some carefulness in Skeptic.
He attacked me for comments made by someone else with a two word name beginning with an h. That is how careless he is. He also is very obscene, which is despicable in itself, and also bad coming from an atheist in that he gives atheists a bad name. He also is about an 11 on the 7 point scale of certainty that there is no God, and the top 4 points are how sure he is that he is always right. You two are very very different. you mostly represent your views in a way that could be read by rational moderate religious types as intersting arguments. and there are so few rational religious types on topix that I do not think you alienate many people whom I think do not deserve it. There are lots of rightwing types on here whom one would not want to convert or recruit as allies, because one would be ashamed to be in their company. They would give a good cause a bad name.
Thanks for your kind words.

I am passionate about the subject of human rights, and it upsets me to see people willingly allow themselves to be harmed by religious dogma and practice.

As such, I sometimes use deliberate hyperbole sarcastically (that's my excuse, and I'm sticking with it...heh..) which can come off as absolutist.

I am well aware of the fact our universe does not operate on absolutist terms--at all. It appears everything operates on a probabilistic curve, with some things towards the higher end, and others...not so much.

This understanding is very difficult for a True Believer™(more sarcasm) to get past-- because faith does not allow for probabilistic outcomes. At all.

So they *must* disengage with the very fundamental observations of the universe; which appear to be quantum mechanical in nature.

That's kinda sad, to me-- it's as if a person is so afraid of what is right outside their door-- so afraid of even *seeing* what is right outside their door-- that they literally pluck out their own eyes, just to be sure they will *never* see. Ever.

Reality is whatever is left, after faith is gone.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#174 May 21, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
vvvvvvvv
Buybull the great book on evolution!
^^^^^^^^^
B - bull crap
U - unproven theory
Y - yelled from the roof tops
B - beseeching all to listen to an
U - unscientific
L - loony toon
L - lie
Your Dead Jew on a Stick was Nailed.

Thor? He has a hammer....

... hmmmm....
True Christian witness

Slick, OK

#175 May 22, 2013
Jenji wrote:
I firmly believe in God, I just don't know who "He" is – and I don't think anyone on earth does. That's why we have religion, it (all religions) is something created by man, in an attempt to explain the concept of God. God is God, religion is man. I have absolutely no problem believing in a very ultra-powerful creator being, there's too much around me I see which can only be explained in that way. It does not mean I understand that being, but just like Earth's gravity – I don't have to understand it to know it exists and respect the heck out of it! I see God when I'm on a beach watching the sunset or a hilltop watching the sunrise, or in an open field on a warm summer night, making love and looking up at the stars. That is where I see God.
If you have a Bible, then the Scriptures will direct you to the one true God in heaven, it is up to you to choose which way you will walk to make God happy or not, and receive his blessings by being obedient to his instructions through the Law of Christ.
Matthew 22:37-39

Creation, everything Almighty God Jehovah had prepared for man to enjoy forever, is definitely proof that God exists, but the god of this world blinds the minds of unbelievers, he is Satan the Devil, he deceives people by his influence to do his will, to satisfy your fleshly desires.
please read 2 Corinthians 4:4
and read John 4:24 and then do it.

The reward for being no part of this unrighteous world ruled by Satan, is the reality of surviving the end of this wicked system of rulership, and inheriting a new system of righteousness, peace and happiness.
No more war, sickness, crime or tears in God's new world with Jesus ruling as King of kings in heaven forever.
2 Peter 3:11-13
KJV

United States

#176 May 22, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>If you have a Bible, then the Scriptures will direct you to the one true God in heaven, it is up to you to choose which way you will walk to make God happy or not, and receive his blessings by being obedient to his instructions through the Law of Christ.
Matthew 22:37-39

Creation, everything Almighty God Jehovah had prepared for man to enjoy forever, is definitely proof that God exists, but the god of this world blinds the minds of unbelievers, he is Satan the Devil, he deceives people by his influence to do his will, to satisfy your fleshly desires.
please read 2 Corinthians 4:4
and read John 4:24 and then do it.

The reward for being no part of this unrighteous world ruled by Satan, is the reality of surviving the end of this wicked system of rulership, and inheriting a new system of righteousness, peace and happiness.
No more war, sickness, crime or tears in God's new world with Jesus ruling as King of kings in heaven forever.
2 Peter 3:11-13
Right on brother.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#177 May 22, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree. The concrete that was poured into their brains, has long since solidified into an impenetrable mass of ignorance.
The younger crowd however? They are growing up with Al Gores' "Intertubes" (grin) and this amazing "genie" of Knowing?
Is destroying myths faster than they can be created.
Which is a good thing.
If I didn't know you .... I'd tear you up for that Gore joke. ;)

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#178 May 22, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have a Bible, then the Scriptures will direct you to the one true God in heaven, it is up to you to choose which way you will walk to make God happy or not, and receive his blessings by being obedient to his instructions through the Law of Christ.
Matthew 22:37-39
Creation, everything Almighty God Jehovah had prepared for man to enjoy forever, is definitely proof that God exists, but the god of this world blinds the minds of unbelievers, he is Satan the Devil, he deceives people by his influence to do his will, to satisfy your fleshly desires.
please read 2 Corinthians 4:4
and read John 4:24 and then do it.
The reward for being no part of this unrighteous world ruled by Satan, is the reality of surviving the end of this wicked system of rulership, and inheriting a new system of righteousness, peace and happiness.
No more war, sickness, crime or tears in God's new world with Jesus ruling as King of kings in heaven forever.
2 Peter 3:11-13
The Book of the Dead says it's the truth, it's more convincing that this one and is supported by just as much evidence.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#179 May 22, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
I'm not nice?
Do you believe God will be nice when he judges you?
Hell is not a nice place:
" A place of weeping and gnashing of teeth - And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30).
A place of outer darkness - "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 22:13).
A place of torments - "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom" (Luke 16:23).
A place of Sorrows - "The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;" (2 Samuel 22:6).
A place of everlasting destruction - "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" (II Thessalonians 1:9).
A place where men are tormented with fire and brimstone - "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).
A place where fire is not quenched - "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44).
A bottomless pit - "And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" (Revelation 9:2).
A place of no rest - "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name" (Revelation 14:11).
It is ultimately a lake of fire - "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" (Revelation 20:14).
A place of hopeless of unsatisfied desires - "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame " (Luke 16:24). The rich man wanted water but could not get any."
[/QUOTE]

Yes, the only thing that those who are being tortured forever in your myths share is doubting the words of some humans who want to make money. But, if you "believe," even if you're a murderer or a child molester, you get into the "good" place. Such a loving god, makes you want to vomit, no?
KJV

United States

#180 May 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
I'm not nice?
Do you believe God will be nice when he judges you?
Hell is not a nice place:
" A place of weeping and gnashing of teeth - And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 25:30).
A place of outer darkness - "Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Matthew 22:13).
A place of torments - "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom" (Luke 16:23).
A place of Sorrows - "The sorrows of hell compassed me about; the snares of death prevented me;" (2 Samuel 22:6).
A place of everlasting destruction - "Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;" (II Thessalonians 1:9).
A place where men are tormented with fire and brimstone - "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 21:8).
A place where fire is not quenched - "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched" (Mark 9:44).
A bottomless pit - "And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit" (Revelation 9:2).
A place of no rest - "And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name" (Revelation 14:11).
It is ultimately a lake of fire - "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death" (Revelation 20:14).
A place of hopeless of unsatisfied desires - "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame " (Luke 16:24). The rich man wanted water but could not get any."
"

Yes, the only thing that those who are being tortured forever in your myths share is doubting the words of some humans who want to make money. But, if you "believe," even if you're a murderer or a child molester, you get into the "good" place. Such a loving god, makes you want to vomit, no?
Can't grasp it can ya?

He even loves you! I know that's hard to believe but it's true!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#181 May 22, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Can't grasp it can ya?
He even loves you! I know that's hard to believe but it's true!
No, I am intelligent, your god hates intelligent people, otherwise he'd not want to torture us for all of eternity.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#182 May 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
One flaw, but otherwise okay. We do not believe there is "no god," we simply do not believe in the gods presented. A gnostic atheist believes there is no god, an agnostic atheist believes that there might be a god but those presented are unsupported. I do wish people would actually learn the difference between theism and gnosticism.
did you ever see my definition of a God that exists? God is a name for all that exists.

That way it would exist. And it would be the most the does exist, not like a small part of existence, or merely a creator and not the creation as well. And it would head off all inferior definitions, and the horrid ethics that spring from many of the awful versions of God.

There would be a good ethic coming from that definition. We would be part of God, and be a part that we think is the only part we know of with intentions, so our intentions had better be good in order to make God as good as possible. and our actions should also be as good (kind and effectively helpful) as possible to make God even better than mere good intentions would.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#183 May 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I am intelligent, your god hates intelligent people, otherwise he'd not want to torture us for all of eternity.
Is kjv's God the orthodox Christian God? the rightwing version? intelligent people and moral people would both be uncomfortable with such an evil God, especially if they are both. if one or the other, not so certain. some folks can be mostly kind and also stupid. and some folks can be intelligent and cruel.

One should be both moral and intelligent, rather like one should be both agnostic and atheist, I think.

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