Christianity vs Religion vs Atheism

Christianity vs Religion vs Atheism

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#81 May 17, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>The 'afterlife'?
What is this afterlife?
Tell me what you know of it.
'afterlife'.
A curious thought.
Tell me more.
I "know" the exact same as you: zip, nada, nothing.

But you idiotic True Believers™ claim you "know" far more than that...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#82 May 17, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>it seems most of you people don't get out much, wrapped up in your own little world.
For the fourth time, if I had a creed, this would be it:
A special transmission outside the scriptures;
No dependence upon words and letters;
Direct pointing at the soul of man:
Seeing into one's nature and the attainment of Buddhahood
I'm confindent you will not understand the words, but some few might.
What's this ... "soul" thingy you keep referring to?

Where did you get the idea of a "soul" thingy?

Do you have any verifiable proof of this "soul" you claim is so important?

No?

Interesting.

You just keep making up shyt as you go along...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#83 May 17, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
I'm confindent you will not understand the words, but some few might.
We understand your bullsh7t quite well enough.

We understand it so well? We can actually experience the stench of over-ripe BS just from reading your words...

(by they way, "confindent" isn't a proper English word...)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#84 May 17, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
I think it is that 'no dependence on words or letters' that is so confuing to you.
So you freely admit that you just make up your BS out of thin air?

Or do you first have to get high or roaring drunk, before you get your...

... ahem...

.... "enlightenment"....?

Not that it matters either way-- BS is still BS.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#85 May 17, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
I think it is that 'no dependence on words or letters' that is so confuing to you.
P.S.
"confuing" isn't a proper English word either...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#86 May 17, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
Several weeks ago, a ground-breaking study on religious belief and social well-being was published in the Journal of Religion & Society. Comparing 18 prosperous democracies from the U.S. to New Zealand, author Gregory S Paul quietly demolished the myth that faith strengthens society.
Drawing on a wide range of studies to cross-match faith – measured by belief in God and acceptance of evolution – with homicide and intimate behavior, Paul found that secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in God.
Top of the class, in both atheism and good behavior, come the Japanese. Over eighty percent accept evolution and fewer than ten percent are certain that God exists. Despite its size – over a hundred million people – Japan is one of the least crime-prone countries in the world. It also has the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy of any developed nation.
Next in line are the Norwegians, British, Germans and Dutch. At least sixty percent accept evolution as a fact and fewer than one in three are convinced that there is a deity. There is little teenage pregnancy , although the Brits, with over 40 pregnancies per 1,000 girls a year, do twice as badly as the others. Homicide rates are also low -- around 1-2 victims per 100,000 people a year.
At the other end of the scale comes America. Over 50 percent of Americans believe in God, and only 40 percent accept some form of evolution (many believe it had a helping hand from the Deity). The U.S. has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy and homicide rates are at least five times greater than in Europe and ten times higher than in Japan.
All this information points to a strong correlation between faith and antisocial behavior -- a correlation so strong that there is good reason to suppose that religious belief does more harm than good.
At first glance that is a preposterous suggestion, given that religions preach non-violence and intimate restraint. However, close inspection reveals a different story.
All believers learn that God holds them responsible for their actions. So far so good, but for many, belief absolves them of all other responsibilities.
Consciously or subconsciously, those who are "born again" or "chosen" have diminished respect for others who do not share their sect or their faith. Convinced that only the Bible offers "truth", they lose their intellectual curiosity and their ability to reason.
The more people prioritize themselves rather than those around them, the weaker society becomes and the greater the likelihood of antisocial behavior.
Hence gun laws which encourage Americans to see each other not as fellow human beings who deserve protection, but as potential aggressors who deserve to die.
And hence a health care system which looks after the wealthy rather than the ill.
As for sex… Faith encourages ignorance rather than responsible behavior. In other countries, sex education includes contraception, reducing the risk of unwanted pregnancies. Such an approach recognizes that young people have the right to make their own choices and helps them make decisions that benefit society as a whole.
In America faith-driven abstinence programs deny them that right -- "As a Christian I will only help you if you do what I say". The result is soaring rates of unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.
http://www.humaniststudies.org/enews/index.ht...
Thank you for the link.

Fascinating confirmation for what we suspected all along.
xianity is EVIL

Walton, Canada

#87 May 17, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>Most of those who identify themselves as athiests on this board say they have no belief in god, do not know if god exists, do not know if god does not exist.
There seems to be a strong propensity for saying god does not exost, but they say that is not rquired for a 'true' atheist.
What are you thoughts on this?
Are you one who says no god exists, or that you are simply ignorant on the matter?
what is True atheist?

I dont believe worhip god ergo atheist,could god exist,sure,thats why Im also agnostic,,

heck there could be millions of gods,until someone proves them real,Ill remain atheist
the labels are Irrelevant imo as long as One is honest

and from my experience atheists beat theists hands down in honesty,

www.godchecker.com

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#88 May 17, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
Alas, this link appears to be defunct-- I'd have loved to read the original bit.

Do you have a different source?

All I could find was this, dated back to 2005

" http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2005/2005-11.p... ;
and this (same article, different site)
" http://globalhealth.washington.edu/docs/Bezru... ;

Apparently the original Journal is not on-line.

Still, thanks for the interesting bit.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#89 May 17, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>Well, you define the origin of the cosmos, and I believe that I will agree that is god.
So.

You arbitrarily define the mechanistic, non-sentient workings of the Cosmos as ... "god"?

WTF?

I suppose you could-- Einstein certainly used that same colorful analogy in his musings.

But defining the non-sentient forces of the universe as "god" isn't very helpful, or really-- not useful either.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#90 May 17, 2013
And the closer, AKA court jester returns.

No verifiable proof for ANYTHING according to science, and yet you just cannot understand that simple concept.
You ask for what does not exist.
Fairy tales and such.
You insist on them.
Verifiable proofs are fairy tales, to give your life meaning.
It all sounds so framiliar.

Your entertainment value leaves me wondering where the others see the amusement.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#91 May 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
So.
You arbitrarily define the mechanistic, non-sentient workings of the Cosmos as ... "god"?
WTF?
I suppose you could-- Einstein certainly used that same colorful analogy in his musings.
But defining the non-sentient forces of the universe as "god" isn't very helpful, or really-- not useful either.
What is useful to you, I find as trash, without the nutrient value.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#92 May 17, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
And the closer, AKA court jester returns.
No verifiable proof for ANYTHING according to science, and yet you just cannot understand that simple concept.
You ask for what does not exist.
Fairy tales and such.
You insist on them.
Verifiable proofs are fairy tales, to give your life meaning.
It all sounds so framiliar.
Your entertainment value leaves me wondering where the others see the amusement.
Cowardly theist who attacks science yet provides no proof of god or that he isn't a liar, attempting to threaten atheists with his personal religious hallucinations.
Twilight

Mobile, AL

#93 May 17, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
Several weeks ago, a ground-breaking study on religious belief and social well-being was published in the Journal of Religion & Society. Comparing 18 prosperous democracies from the U.S. to New Zealand, author Gregory S Paul quietly demolished the myth that faith strengthens society.
Drawing on a wide range of studies to cross-match faith – measured by belief in God and acceptance of evolution – with homicide and intimate behavior, Paul found that secular societies have lower rates of violence and teenage pregnancy than societies where many people profess belief in God.
Top of the class, in both atheism and good behavior, come the Japanese. Over eighty percent accept evolution and fewer than ten percent are certain that God exists. Despite its size – over a hundred million people – Japan is one of the least crime-prone countries in the world. It also has the lowest rates of teenage pregnancy of any developed nation.
Next in line are the Norwegians, British, Germans and Dutch. At least sixty percent accept evolution as a fact and fewer than one in three are convinced that there is a deity. There is little teenage pregnancy , although the Brits, with over 40 pregnancies per 1,000 girls a year, do twice as badly as the others. Homicide rates are also low -- around 1-2 victims per 100,000 people a year.
At the other end of the scale comes America. Over 50 percent of Americans believe in God, and only 40 percent accept some form of evolution (many believe it had a helping hand from the Deity). The U.S. has the highest rate of teenage pregnancy and homicide rates are at least five times greater than in Europe and ten times higher than in Japan.
All this information points to a strong correlation between faith and antisocial behavior -- a correlation so strong that there is good reason to suppose that religious belief does more harm than good.
At first glance that is a preposterous suggestion, given that religions preach non-violence and intimate restraint. However, close inspection reveals a different story.
All believers learn that God holds them responsible for their actions. So far so good, but for many, belief absolves them of all other responsibilities.
Consciously or subconsciously, those who are "born again" or "chosen" have diminished respect for others who do not share their sect or their faith. Convinced that only the Bible offers "truth", they lose their intellectual curiosity and their ability to reason.
The more people prioritize themselves rather than those around them, the weaker society becomes and the greater the likelihood of antisocial behavior.
Hence gun laws which encourage Americans to see each other not as fellow human beings who deserve protection, but as potential aggressors who deserve to die.
And hence a health care system which looks after the wealthy rather than the ill.
As for sex… Faith encourages ignorance rather than responsible behavior. In other countries, sex education includes contraception, reducing the risk of unwanted pregnancies. Such an approach recognizes that young people have the right to make their own choices and helps them make decisions that benefit society as a whole.
In America faith-driven abstinence programs deny them that right -- "As a Christian I will only help you if you do what I say". The result is soaring rates of unwanted pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections.
http://www.humaniststudies.org/enews/index.ht...


I suspected it ALL along.FINALLY,SOMETHING WITH REAL FACTS AND NOT BIBLE SCRIPTURES! I do believe in god, I also believe in science. This should be told to everyone.

I wanted more info, but the link is broken.:-(
I really wanted to look up the article.:-D

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#94 May 17, 2013
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Cowardly theist who attacks science yet provides no proof of god or that he isn't a liar, attempting to threaten atheists with his personal religious hallucinations.
Simple concept here, try to follow along.

I say the scientific community says (as a group, although certainly not 100%- always one wacko out there) there is no proof for anything.
This is taught and expounded upon by the professionals.
It seems obvious to me that 'god' is an 'anything'.
You do not deny this, yet request proof about attributes of god.

Doesn't your request strike you as 'odd'.

A primary pillar of your belief system - science - says something is not possible, and yet you want to see it.

What your belief system says does not exist, is what you most want to see in these discussions, not from your own group, but from others.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#95 May 17, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
What's this ... "soul" thingy you keep referring to?
Where did you get the idea of a "soul" thingy?
Do you have any verifiable proof of this "soul" you claim is so important?
No?
Interesting.
You just keep making up shyt as you go along...
Simple concept here, try to follow along.

I say the scientific community says (as a group, although certainly not 100%- always one wacko out there) there is no proof for anything.
This is taught and expounded upon by the professionals.
It seems obvious to me that 'soul' is an 'anything', real, imaginary, chocolate covered, whatever, still an 'anything'.
You do not deny this, yet request proof about attributes of the soul.

Doesn't your request strike you as 'odd'.

A primary pillar of your belief system - science - says something is not possible, and yet you want to see it.

What your belief system says does not exist, is what you most want to see in these discussions, not from your own group, but from others.
You want pixie dust.

“It's just a box of rain...”

Since: May 07

Knoxville, TN

#96 May 17, 2013
Twilight wrote:
<quoted text>
I suspected it ALL along.FINALLY,SOMETHING WITH REAL FACTS AND NOT BIBLE SCRIPTURES! I do believe in god, I also believe in science. This should be told to everyone.
I wanted more info, but the link is broken.:-(
I really wanted to look up the article.:-D
Try this:

http://moses.creighton.edu/jrs/2005/2005-11.p...

or this:

http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/religious...
xianity is EVIL

Walton, Canada

#97 May 17, 2013
Twilight wrote:
<quoted text>
I suspected it ALL along.FINALLY,SOMETHING WITH REAL FACTS AND NOT BIBLE SCRIPTURES! I do believe in god, I also believe in science. This should be told to everyone.
I wanted more info, but the link is broken.:-(
I really wanted to look up the article.:-D
sorry,dont have the original,just found it when searching the net for atheist countries,

heres something interesting on Japanese behavior

http://youtu.be/j7-pQPTg-mE
xianity is EVIL

Walton, Canada

#98 May 17, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
<quoted text>Simple concept here, try to follow along.
I say the scientific community says (as a group, although certainly not 100%- always one wacko out there) there is no proof for anything.
This is taught and expounded upon by the professionals.
It seems obvious to me that 'soul' is an 'anything', real, imaginary, chocolate covered, whatever, still an 'anything'.
You do not deny this, yet request proof about attributes of the soul.
Doesn't your request strike you as 'odd'.
A primary pillar of your belief system - science - says something is not possible, and yet you want to see it.
What your belief system says does not exist, is what you most want to see in these discussions, not from your own group, but from others.
You want pixie dust.
science is NOT belief system,nor is atheism

and it surely does NOT say theres no proof of anything!

perhaps you started dipping in the jar early today?
CunningLinguist

Winter Garden, FL

#99 May 17, 2013
Twilight wrote:
<quoted text>
I suspected it ALL along.FINALLY,SOMETHING WITH REAL FACTS AND NOT BIBLE SCRIPTURES! I do believe in god, I also believe in science. This should be told to everyone.
I wanted more info, but the link is broken.:-(
I really wanted to look up the article.:-D
http://www.humaniststudies.org/

http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#100 May 17, 2013
BeHereNow wrote:
And the closer, AKA court jester returns.
No verifiable proof for ANYTHING according to science, and yet you just cannot understand that simple concept.
You ask for what does not exist.
Fairy tales and such.
You insist on them.
Verifiable proofs are fairy tales, to give your life meaning.
It all sounds so framiliar.
Your entertainment value leaves me wondering where the others see the amusement.
Word salad, devoid of any significant content.

Typical-- lovely garbage-speak, sounding like it >>might<< be useful-- but upon examination?

Found to be devoid of value.

Classic Godbottery at it's finest.

(PS.. There is no word in English that is spelled "framiliar"... just so you know.)

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