Christianity vs Religion vs Atheism

Christianity vs Religion vs Atheism

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havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#184 May 22, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Can't grasp it can ya?
He even loves you! I know that's hard to believe but it's true!
[/QUOTE] your calling God a He is one sign of how primitive your beliefs are, and how egomaniac, I bet. I'd guess you think your God created man in his own image, whereas I think rather nasty men created Gods in their own images.(slightly nicer ones contributed to the myth of some of the things the alleged Jesus is supposed to have said - he is at least mostly nicer than God).
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#185 May 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No president has actually impressed me enough to stand out. All those since the internet was connected to the world wide web have all been against freedom online, and thus they are all on my bad list.
watch out - the enemy of the good is the excellent, in this world. just take a look at all the possible candidates for 2016. Republican possibilities are mostly evil. Democrats and too many women are too crazy about the idea of Hillary and her socalled credentials. Biden is a nice guy personally, and was mostly OK in the Senate, but not Presidential in style, and also not someone one is certain about, since he loves to be liked.

My choice would be Senator Elizabeth Warren, but she is too naive and new to politics. I suspect she is excellent on more things than just the ones I have seen her discussing - on the Senate Banking Committee, and Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee. But I do not see an excellent candidate having a chance because rich corrupt special interests would want to stop her at all costs, and (most of) the people are not smart enough to understand why she is correct on so many issues.

I agree about protecting the internet from special interests. I also think one should be able to get TV channels all a la carte, or else get them streaming quickly enough live over the internet, and also on demand over the internet.(Tornado ocverage took away part of Dancing with the Stars - but I was mostly for the outcome we got anyway, except for liking Aly better than the football guy with the dirty language).

Do you watch Jon Stewart and Colbert? I much prefer Colbert.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#186 May 22, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
I did not BLAME God or the squirrel.
I said God gave man freedom of choice.
That freedom has Consequences!
When man first sinned death was that Consequences. Not immediately death but death just the same. There was no death on planet earth until Adams sin.
Consequences! Turn left or turn right...
Turn right and Consequences a squirrel dies. Turn left and you may have been hit by a train. You will never know.
Now say you never got in the car and stayed home.... The phone rings and you answer a question and win $200.
Consequences! Choices! Consequences! Good or bad.
You choose to believe God does not exist. Consequences!
[/QUOTE] state your own views, and consider the consequences of acting upon them. one's moral intentions can have bad consequences for onesself or others. that is not fair. your God and your free will are both vicious and unfair.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#187 May 22, 2013
Misa wrote:
<quoted text>
Reading over your posts, I don't see much to disagree with. Perhaps you give more probability to YHWH existing than I do (I'd put the probability at virtually zero), at least if we define YHWH as literally the deity described in the Bible, and not that as modified by later theologians/apologetics.
I do not like yhwh and would not believe in it if it did exist. I am more sure that it is evil (as described in a standard Bible take literally) than that there is actual evidence that proves it does not exist. but my doubt is based on my high standard for actual evidence, and for my doubts about the possibility of mankind or even smart machines knowing in an adequate intellectual sense of the word.

In the visceral sense of the word knowing, I know there cannot be an allgoodallpowerful God, because of pain and suffering.

I certainly give no probability and very little possibility of yhwh existing, but I do think it is a pretty good match for the evils of the universe and of mankind, emphasis on man, on which I think He was modeled.
KJV

United States

#189 May 22, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>No, I am intelligent, your god hates intelligent people, otherwise he'd not want to torture us for all of eternity.
He doesn't what to put you in hell.
You are choosing to go there.
KJV

United States

#190 May 22, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Can't grasp it can ya?
He even loves you! I know that's hard to believe but it's true!
"

your calling God a He is one sign of how primitive your beliefs are, and how egomaniac, I bet. I'd guess you think your God created man in his own image, whereas I think rather nasty men created Gods in their own images.(slightly nicer ones contributed to the myth of some of the things the alleged Jesus is supposed to have said - he is at least mostly nicer than God).
Ok

Nice beliefs.
KJV

United States

#191 May 22, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
I did not BLAME God or the squirrel.
I said God gave man freedom of choice.
That freedom has Consequences!
When man first sinned death was that Consequences. Not immediately death but death just the same. There was no death on planet earth until Adams sin.
Consequences! Turn left or turn right...
Turn right and Consequences a squirrel dies. Turn left and you may have been hit by a train. You will never know.
Now say you never got in the car and stayed home.... The phone rings and you answer a question and win $200.
Consequences! Choices! Consequences! Good or bad.
You choose to believe God does not exist. Consequences!
"

state your own views, and consider the consequences of acting upon them. one's moral intentions can have bad consequences for onesself or others. that is not fair. your God and your free will are both vicious and unfair.
In your weird little mind.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#192 May 22, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> did you ever see my definition of a God that exists? God is a name for all that exists.
That way it would exist. And it would be the most the does exist, not like a small part of existence, or merely a creator and not the creation as well. And it would head off all inferior definitions, and the horrid ethics that spring from many of the awful versions of God.
There would be a good ethic coming from that definition. We would be part of God, and be a part that we think is the only part we know of with intentions, so our intentions had better be good in order to make God as good as possible. and our actions should also be as good (kind and effectively helpful) as possible to make God even better than mere good intentions would.
So then your god is not an intelligent being. So .... why worship it?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#194 May 22, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
...
God created MAN in his own image.
...
That's pretty sexist. But then you do have it backwards.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#196 May 22, 2013
[QUOTE who="KJV
"]<quoted text>
Nice the way you eliminated all the bible passages that back it up.
So how's your dream of being man going?
[/QUOTE]

Since your bible is the assertion, it cannot back itself up.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#197 May 23, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have a Bible, then the Scriptures will direct you to the one true God in heaven,
Lie.

I have a bible--one I have read cover-to-cover.

Can YOU say the same? No?

Interesting-- you are just another salad-bar Christian, cherry-picking here or there as you like, ignoring the rest...

.... hypocrite.

In my case? Reading the whole bible? Destroyed what was left of my faith; the bible is ugly, horrid book of evil behaviors.

No way it's from a god who gives a damn.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#198 May 23, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Right on brother.
Right on down the hall into deep insanity.

Just like ... you.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#199 May 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
If I didn't know you .... I'd tear you up for that Gore joke. ;)
LOL!

I love that one, in particular.... anyone who knows the facts knows Gore never said it, and in any case the internet was a direct descendent of DARPANET and other similar, academic information exchanges.

:)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#200 May 23, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
Can't grasp it can ya?
He even loves you! I know that's hard to believe but it's true!
He "loves" us, but he delights in using INFINITE TORTURE to EXTORT people into following him?

WHAT?

That's no more loving, than Hannibal Lector showed when he feasted on people's brains....

Your god is incapable of love--

-- because YOU are incapable of love!

And your god?

Is just an extension of YOU.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#201 May 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I am intelligent, your god hates intelligent people, otherwise he'd not want to torture us for all of eternity.
KJV is showing all the classic signs of being jealous of us smarter-than-he-is Atheists.

But then again?

My *cat* is smarter than KJV is...

... of course, my cat is also an atheist too.

:D

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#202 May 23, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> did you ever see my definition of a God that exists? God is a name for all that exists.
That way it would exist. And it would be the most the does exist, not like a small part of existence, or merely a creator and not the creation as well. And it would head off all inferior definitions, and the horrid ethics that spring from many of the awful versions of God.

There would be a good ethic coming from that definition. We would be part of God, and be a part that we think is the only part we know of with intentions, so our intentions had better be good in order to make God as good as possible. and our actions should also be as good (kind and effectively helpful) as possible to make God even better than mere good intentions would.
That's a nice, pretty definition for certain.

On the other hand?

What good is it?

I reject the notion that worship is a useful part of being alive; I see worship is a demeaning activity, a subjugation of the worshiper and a god-making of the worshiped.

Neither thing is good in *any* way-- slaves worship their masters, for example (if they are broken-minded that is).

So I don't see the value in fabricating even a man-made god, so that some could demean themselves in the worship of it.

Besides; anytime you create a system where worship is a requirement? There always ends up being a small group who benefits (personally) from all that subjugation, and gets elevated for no reason other than that they can be elevated-- this group then begins the oppression as sure as night follows day.

We humans are too easily corrupted by being artificially elevated over our fellow beings.

That is why the US Constitution writers deliberately made limited terms for the politicians (in most cases-- they missed it with the supreme court-- a mistake I think, and they failed to make it mandatory with congress/senate, another mistake).

The **only** way to limit the corruption is to limit the exposure to it, by limiting the time-in-grade. A lesson History has hammered-home one too many times.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#203 May 23, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> Is kjv's God the orthodox Christian God? the rightwing version? intelligent people and moral people would both be uncomfortable with such an evil God, especially if they are both. if one or the other, not so certain. some folks can be mostly kind and also stupid. and some folks can be intelligent and cruel.

One should be both moral and intelligent, rather like one should be both agnostic and atheist, I think.
It is pretty safe to presume KJV's god is the literal, ugly bible-god.

On the other hand? KJV expresses all the trappings of your plain-vanilla Internet Troll.

He has found a niche here on Atheism, by being pretty much a horse's azz 100% of the time, and by throwing up the bible-god from time to time, just often enough to keep the attention coming his way.

I suspect if he were simply ignored, 100% of the time? He'd go away and come back as someone else.

I've tried that experiment with Lincoln, and he has all but stopped posting-- under that nome de plume at least.

;)

I suspect KJV isn't quite the azzhole he pretends to be (apart from being a common troll, that is)

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#204 May 23, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
Do you watch Jon Stewart and Colbert? I much prefer Colbert.
That's interesting.

I'm not nearly as fond of Colbert as I am of Stewart.

Colbert is a wee bit too real, even though I know he's a Poe, the stuff he says is too close to what real conservatards say for my taste.

Stewart, on the other hand, delivers punches to any and all comers who act stupid, or say stupid things-- democrat, republican, independent-- all are fodder for his scathing wit, if they say or do stupid things.

For that, Stewart has my undying respect.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#205 May 23, 2013
KJV wrote:
<quoted text>
He doesn't what to put you in hell.
You are choosing to go there.
But your god KNEW in ADVANCE who would go to hell...

... but your god went ahead and made it anyway!

That is pure-D 100% evil, bub.

What else?

Your god is an extension of YOU-- and YOU are demonstratively hate-filled, and full of evil too.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#206 May 23, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
So then your god is not an intelligent being. So .... why worship it?
I agree: why worship at all?

I don't think worship is good for the mind-- it's a dangerous activity.

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