Christianity vs Religion vs Atheism

May 10, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: News24

Awarded after your tenth article is published on MyNews24. You've got 15 more to go to reach the next level! All children are born Atheist, without the knowledge of God or whatsoever.

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One flaw, but otherwise okay. We do not believe there is "no god," we simply do not believe in the gods presented. A gnostic atheist believes there is no god, an agnostic atheist believes that there might be a god but those presented are unsupported. I do wish people would actually learn the difference between theism and gnosticism.

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One flaw, but otherwise okay. We do not believe there is "no god," we simply do not believe in the gods presented. A gnostic atheist believes there is no god, an agnostic atheist believes that there might be a god but those presented are unsupported. I do wish people would actually learn the difference between theism and gnosticism.
50% of the planet is starving - too hungry and uneducated to even use their minds.

90% of the planet is brainwashed by religion.

There are only a few people who are sane enough to know the details that most people wash over out of general ignorance.

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-Skeptic- wrote:
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50% of the planet is starving - too hungry and uneducated to even use their minds.
90% of the planet is brainwashed by religion.
There are only a few people who are sane enough to know the details that most people wash over out of general ignorance.
The 50% that are uneducated are that way because of the ones brainwashed by religion keeping them too uneducated to grow their own food. ;)

Just needed to add that.
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The study authors, Catherine Caldwell-Harris and Patrick MacNamara studied discussions by 192 different posters on an autism website. They also looked at a survey of 61 people with high-functioning autism, and graphed against results from the Autism Spectrum Quotient (AQ) test.

The results appeared to show that those with high AQ scores were 'more likely' to be atheists.
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Uneducated and poor people who are meek and not self righteous, are able to discern the truth when it is presented and proven to them, especially by the proof in the Bible. JOhn 17:17

The true Atheist is of his own making, no one is born an Atheist, just as no one is born with beliefs.
A true Chistian is one that has been taught the truth of God's word, and tries to live as Jesus would in this unrighteous world.
John 17:3
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True Christian witness wrote:
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A true Chistian is one that has been taught the truth of God's word, and tries to live as Jesus would in this unrighteous world.
The Christians of Topix are in the shit then :)

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KittenKoder wrote:
One flaw, but otherwise okay. We do not believe there is "no god," we simply do not believe in the gods presented. A gnostic atheist believes there is no god, an agnostic atheist believes that there might be a god but those presented are unsupported. I do wish people would actually learn the difference between theism and gnosticism.
Who is the nebulas 'we' you speak of?

Let me guess, it is the group of people who think just like you.

Well 'we' think that anyone with any guts that calls themselves an atheist, believe there is no god.
That's what Einsteind said, and 'we' agree with him.

That's what the Sanford encyclopedia of Philosophy says:
Atheismí means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agn...

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So what is atheism? Atheism is the negative or denial of theism: the existence of God. Thus the atheist holds to a specific view, s/he takes a specific standpoint in a discussion, s/he makes a knowledge claim, namely that God does not exist. In a debate between a theist and an atheist about the existence of God, the atheist takes the side that contradicts the question.

Contrary to what some people will make you believe, atheism is not the lack of belief in God or something like the default position. Thatís rather agnosticism. An agnostic simply doesnít know whether God exists. Letís define knowledge as justified true belief. If knowledge is justified belief in the truth, then a lack of knowledge is consequently a lack of belief. Knowledge is necessarily belief. Without belief you canít have knowledge. Disbelief is a form of uncertainty or doubt with respect to the truth. Always take this distinction into account.
http://buckleherry.wordpress.com/2011/01/05/a...

'We' in this case being all of those who disagree with you.
That would be the ones who have the authority to actually discuss the meaning of such terms, and those who agree with them.

The dissenters, the ones who like to make up their own meaning for terms - who really cares about them?

I provide references, other provide, opinions about their beliefs.

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<quoted text>Who is the nebulas 'we' you speak of?
Let me guess, it is the group of people who think just like you.
Well 'we' think that anyone with any guts that calls themselves an atheist, believe there is no god.
That's what Einsteind said, and 'we' agree with him.
That's what the Sanford encyclopedia of Philosophy says:
Atheismí means the negation of theism, the denial of the existence of God.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agn...
See also:
So what is atheism? Atheism is the negative or denial of theism: the existence of God. Thus the atheist holds to a specific view, s/he takes a specific standpoint in a discussion, s/he makes a knowledge claim, namely that God does not exist. In a debate between a theist and an atheist about the existence of God, the atheist takes the side that contradicts the question.
Contrary to what some people will make you believe, atheism is not the lack of belief in God or something like the default position. Thatís rather agnosticism. An agnostic simply doesnít know whether God exists. Letís define knowledge as justified true belief. If knowledge is justified belief in the truth, then a lack of knowledge is consequently a lack of belief. Knowledge is necessarily belief. Without belief you canít have knowledge. Disbelief is a form of uncertainty or doubt with respect to the truth. Always take this distinction into account.
http://buckleherry.wordpress.com/2011/01/05/a...
'We' in this case being all of those who disagree with you.
That would be the ones who have the authority to actually discuss the meaning of such terms, and those who agree with them.
The dissenters, the ones who like to make up their own meaning for terms - who really cares about them?
I provide references, other provide, opinions about their beliefs.
If a claim is made (i.e.'god/s exist) that can't be supported with actual evidence, why would a refusal to accept that claim be seen as anything other than the logical default position?

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<quoted text>If a claim is made (i.e.'god/s exist) that can't be supported with actual evidence, why would a refusal to accept that claim be seen as anything other than the logical default position?
Well, lets start with the meaning of the term "actual evidence".

You may think this term has only one meaning.
It has many meanings. Ask any attorney.
What you mean is,'Actual evidence that is convincing to (you)'.

Evidence is determined by the belief system.
In religions, sacred texts are seen as evidence.
This text for this religion, that text for that religion.

In real life, experience is viewed by people as 'actual evidence'.
If I say I say your friend stealing my dog, I think I have lots of evidence. I have known your friend many years, my dog as well, your friend stole my dog, and I saw it, seems simple.
You say 'No friend of mine would do that, you have no evience.'

Philosophy has helped each disipline to decide what constitues 'evidence'.

Not so many years ago, philosophy helped science decide that an 'experiment' had to be done in the real world, not just your mind.
Today, you can do a scientific experiment with a computer, not even a human mind, just an electronic mind.
Over the past years, just looking at the one displine of science,'evidence' has meant many things, conflicting with each other.

You are begging the question when you say no evidence exists, fallacious reasoning.

That is the tip of the icegerg, the most obvious answer to your question.

A lack of evidence is not convincing evidence.
If One person says 'here is my evidence.', and that other says 'I do not accept that as evidence.', the resonable conclusion is
"not enough evidence to convince both parties'.- agnosticism.

The athestic point of view most often being expressed here assumes that the whole world accepts their meaing of 'evidence'.
That is pure hogwash, as just the opposite is true.
The vast majority of people say there is plenty of evidence for the existence of god - but they have a different meaning for 'evidence'.

The fact of the matter is, atheist have no evidence there is no god, except a lack of evidence acceptable to them.
On the other hand, theists have plenty of evidence acceptable to them.

Clearly default to someone who wants 'scientific' evidence is to say 'Insuficient.' therefore agnostic.

Those who claim evidence for god do not claim scientific evidence.
I have no scientific evidence I drank two cups of coffee this morning, but I know I did, and the evidence I have is the experience of drinking it. Very unscientific, but still evidence.

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<quoted text>Well, lets start with the meaning of the term "actual evidence".
You may think this term has only one meaning.
It has many meanings. Ask any attorney.
What you mean is,'Actual evidence that is convincing to (you)'.
Evidence is determined by the belief system.
In religions, sacred texts are seen as evidence.
This text for this religion, that text for that religion.
In real life, experience is viewed by people as 'actual evidence'.
If I say I say your friend stealing my dog, I think I have lots of evidence. I have known your friend many years, my dog as well, your friend stole my dog, and I saw it, seems simple.
You say 'No friend of mine would do that, you have no evience.'
Philosophy has helped each disipline to decide what constitues 'evidence'.
Not so many years ago, philosophy helped science decide that an 'experiment' had to be done in the real world, not just your mind.
Today, you can do a scientific experiment with a computer, not even a human mind, just an electronic mind.
Over the past years, just looking at the one displine of science,'evidence' has meant many things, conflicting with each other.
You are begging the question when you say no evidence exists, fallacious reasoning.
That is the tip of the icegerg, the most obvious answer to your question.
A lack of evidence is not convincing evidence.
If One person says 'here is my evidence.', and that other says 'I do not accept that as evidence.', the resonable conclusion is
"not enough evidence to convince both parties'.- agnosticism.
The athestic point of view most often being expressed here assumes that the whole world accepts their meaing of 'evidence'.
That is pure hogwash, as just the opposite is true.
The vast majority of people say there is plenty of evidence for the existence of god - but they have a different meaning for 'evidence'.
The fact of the matter is, atheist have no evidence there is no god, except a lack of evidence acceptable to them.
On the other hand, theists have plenty of evidence acceptable to them.
Clearly default to someone who wants 'scientific' evidence is to say 'Insuficient.' therefore agnostic.
Those who claim evidence for god do not claim scientific evidence.
I have no scientific evidence I drank two cups of coffee this morning, but I know I did, and the evidence I have is the experience of drinking it. Very unscientific, but still evidence.
Wow.... I mean... wow.

Look, I have no problem with anyone that wants to believe whatever they want using whatever they want to as their evidence to believe. My problem starts when those same people want to use their holy books to dictate how those that do not share their beliefs should live their lives. THAT is where their version of evidence means nothing.

That last part of your post is simply ridiculous.

Whether you drank 2 cups of coffee or not doesn't concern anyone but you and maybe your doctors if caffeine is something you should avoid. You can claim you drank 2 cups of coffee and proving it would be simple and nowhere near the same thing you were attempting to describe above. For 1 thing, coffee is something known to exist.. it is a verifiable fact. Whether you drank any or not could be determined easily enough since the contents of your stomach could be analyzed. A very bad analogy indeed

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<quoted text>Wow.... I mean... wow.
Look, I have no problem with anyone that wants to believe whatever they want using whatever they want to as their evidence to believe. My problem starts when those same people want to use their holy books to dictate how those that do not share their beliefs should live their lives. THAT is where their version of evidence means nothing.
That last part of your post is simply ridiculous.
Whether you drank 2 cups of coffee or not doesn't concern anyone but you and maybe your doctors if caffeine is something you should avoid. You can claim you drank 2 cups of coffee and proving it would be simple and nowhere near the same thing you were attempting to describe above. For 1 thing, coffee is something known to exist.. it is a verifiable fact. Whether you drank any or not could be determined easily enough since the contents of your stomach could be analyzed. A very bad analogy indeed
I do not see where we disagree except where you thought my example of a way to knowledge without science was irrelevant.

If I had a creed, this would be it:
A special transmission outside the scriptures;
Depending not on words and letters;
Pointing directly to the human mind;
Seeing into one's nature, one becomes a Buddha.

Fanatical atheists try to force feed their beliefs, and I find it no more beneficial than from religionists.

Unfortunately when some people believe they have the cure, they try to force it on others.

Escape is not possible, if you think you are free.

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Uneducated and poor people who are meek and not self righteous, are able to discern the truth when it is presented and proven to them, especially by the proof in the Bible. JOhn 17:17
The true Atheist is of his own making, no one is born an Atheist, just as no one is born with beliefs.
A true Chistian is one that has been taught the truth of God's word, and tries to live as Jesus would in this unrighteous world.
John 17:3
Ah yes, you're stupid so of course you would buy snake oil that says being stupid is better than being intelligent.

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True Christian witness wrote:
Uneducated and poor people who are meek and not self righteous, are able to discern the truth when it is presented and proven to them, especially by the proof in the Bible. JOhn 17:17
The true Atheist is of his own making, no one is born an Atheist, just as no one is born with beliefs.
A true Chistian is one that has been taught the truth of God's word, and tries to live as Jesus would in this unrighteous world.
John 17:3
One born without theistic beliefs.... uh, that is an atheist.

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The Christians of Topix are in the shit then :)
Along with the fig trees. It will be us, and the fig trees.
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<quoted text>One born without theistic beliefs.... uh, that is an atheist.
You are so wrong, so you only personify, you know!

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You are so wrong, so you only personify, you know!
If you knew what an atheist actually is, you would know that I am right, and you are not.

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You are so wrong, so you only personify, you know!
So then you think they are born believing in a god?

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I firmly believe in God, I just don't know who "He" is Ė and I don't think anyone on earth does. That's why we have religion, it (all religions) is something created by man, in an attempt to explain the concept of God. God is God, religion is man. I have absolutely no problem believing in a very ultra-powerful creator being, there's too much around me I see which can only be explained in that way. It does not mean I understand that being, but just like Earth's gravity Ė I don't have to understand it to know it exists and respect the heck out of it! I see God when I'm on a beach watching the sunset or a hilltop watching the sunrise, or in an open field on a warm summer night, making love and looking up at the stars. That is where I see God.
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I firmly believe in God, I just don't know who "He" is Ė and I don't think anyone on earth does. That's why we have religion, it (all religions) is something created by man, in an attempt to explain the concept of God. God is God, religion is man. I have absolutely no problem believing in a very ultra-powerful creator being, there's too much around me I see which can only be explained in that way. It does not mean I understand that being, but just like Earth's gravity Ė I don't have to understand it to know it exists and respect the heck out of it! I see God when I'm on a beach watching the sunset or a hilltop watching the sunrise, or in an open field on a warm summer night, making love and looking up at the stars. That is where I see God.
How poetic...:-0

I envision various insect infesting that open field on a warm summer night, eagerly awaiting another 'prey' to pounce upon, like two enthralled lovers... not to mention those flashlights from the police after hearing moans in the grass!

I have absolutely no problem firmly believing in myself rather a any imaginary entities.

Of course, should one of these entities, set alight a bush in my yard, I might pay a bit more attention.

My prayers to myself are always answered... and I perform my own personal miracles each time I win at a slot machine or a horse race.

I did see several odd gods once upon at time, but his was due to ingesting something called 'window pane' in college.

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True Christian witness wrote:
Uneducated and poor people who are meek and not self righteous, are able to discern the truth when it is presented and proven to them, especially by the proof in the Bible. JOhn 17:17
And due to ugly belief, they will forever remain uneducated and poor...
True Christian witness wrote:
The true Atheist is of his own making, no one is born an Atheist, just as no one is born with beliefs.
Bullsh7t. Atheist means without belief-- you just proved you are lying.
True Christian witness wrote:
A true Chistian is one that has been taught the truth of God's word, and tries to live as Jesus would in this unrighteous world.
John 17:3
There is no truth in the ugly bible. Just as there is no truth to what YOU say.

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