created by: Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu | Aug 29, 2012

Atheism

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The absolute statement: "God does not exist."

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Sola Scriptura

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LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>Lol, so you can not back up your claim, it's ok, happens all the time. No faith is required to think nothing is not real. If you are the millions of other christians could just show any kind of verifiable evidence that a god exists, hell we could call it a night, but not one single thing exists, just like YOUR god.(dances)
But yet you smart ass atheists CANNOT prove there IS no God. You come up with the garbage that the burden of proof is on believers. BS! YOU prove there is no God. Can't do it, can you?

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Sola Scriptura wrote:
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But yet you smart ass atheists CANNOT prove there IS no God. You come up with the garbage that the burden of proof is on believers. BS! YOU prove there is no God. Can't do it, can you?
Sure I can.

A soon as you present a cognt set of propeties for this "god" you speak of.

In order to determine whether an object exists or not, the properties of that object have to be clear enough to allow some sort of judgment based on the evidence.

When it comes to the question of 'god', there is little to no agreement about the properties, so no determination of existence can be possible. Until the properties that must be met are agreed to, the issue simply cannot be properly addressed and the question is, strictly speaking, meaningless.

Until you do that, the god concept is, at best, meaningless, and at worse demonstrably false. Certainly the 'old man in the sky' version is simply false. Certainly the 'creator of the earth 6000 years ago' is also false.

In short, without a clear definition of what is meant by the term "god" any consideration of existence is meaningless and absurd.

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Aug 29, 2012
 
Typo -- "cognt" should be "cogent".
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Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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Well, here's what I was thinking. And yes, I am a Christian so I was definitely thinking the God of the Bible. I was thinking that no intelligent, educated, freethinking atheist could possibly be so bold as to make the absolute statement "God does not exist." But yet at the time of this writing three atheists have checked that statement is true. Because to make that statement, is to make a claim of knowing absolutely everything there is to know about everything and of having been everywhere in the universe and having witnessed everything there is to be seen.
Atheists cannot prove that God does not, for example, live in the center of the sun, or beneath the clouds of Jupiter, or in some distant nebula. Since those places are beyond our capacity to observe, it cannot be proven that God does not exist. Thus, it takes faith to be an atheist and it takes faith to be a theist.
Just a side not. Faith in atheism is not proof in no god.(smile)
It is absurd to believe anything is true without evidence. I will make a claim that god does not exist. The statement alone does not make it absolute, it just means there is no evidence for a god, so as of right now, a god does not exist. Simple. No different than saying pixies don't exist, or flying pigs do not exist.

A good anology I heard on the Atheist Experience was a court of Law. You don't go into court to prove if someone is inocent, you offer evidence to the court and the accused is found guilty, or not guilty. And even if they are found not guilty, in no way, proves they are inocent. Ex. OJ Simpson.

See how this burdon of proof works yet?
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Aug 30, 2012
 
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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The one and only Creator God.
So, not the obviously dismissable Abrahamic versions,(i.e the three-in-one offer, and the one(s) offered by Muslims and Jews). And all these..
http://www.godchecker.com/
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Aug 30, 2012
 
Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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Well, here's what I was thinking. And yes, I am a Christian so I was definitely thinking the God of the Bible. I was thinking that no intelligent, educated, freethinking atheist could possibly be so bold as to make the absolute statement "God does not exist." But yet at the time of this writing three atheists have checked that statement is true. Because to make that statement, is to make a claim of knowing absolutely everything there is to know about everything and of having been everywhere in the universe and having witnessed everything there is to be seen.
Atheists cannot prove that God does not, for example, live in the center of the sun, or beneath the clouds of Jupiter, or in some distant nebula. Since those places are beyond our capacity to observe, it cannot be proven that God does not exist. Thus, it takes faith to be an atheist and it takes faith to be a theist.
Just a side not. Faith in atheism is not proof in no god.(smile)
But atheists don't exhibit faith that god doesn't exist, while religionists do exhibit faith that a god does.

Christians, Jews and Muslims (by definition) believe that a specifically Abrahamic god exists. Atheists simply don't believe due to the total lack of evidence (unless one counts the 'good books') for the existance of an Abrahamic god...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist

Disbelief is not tantamount to belief. There is no more proof of an Abrahamic god than there is of pixies or witches.

Simple as that.

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Sola Scriptura wrote:
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But yet you smart ass atheists CANNOT prove there IS no God. You come up with the garbage that the burden of proof is on believers. BS! YOU prove there is no God. Can't do it, can you?
Why should one have to prove something that they don’t believe in?

It is not the responsibility of the one that does not believe it is the responsibility of the one that does.

If this offends you then maybe you should try and prove to yourself first by relaying the probability of god with plausible verifiable evidence that one can use as a basis for such a statement as “prove god does not exist”.

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Sola Scriptura wrote:
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But yet you smart ass atheists CANNOT prove there IS no God. You come up with the garbage that the burden of proof is on believers. BS! YOU prove there is no God. Can't do it, can you?
Why, yes, I can.

Let me know which god you want me to prove does not exist, and I'll be happy to do so.

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Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
The absolute statement "God does not exist" is unprovable.
The absolute statement "Invisible sock gremlins do not exist" is unprovable. Would you agree?

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Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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Can you honestly make the absolute statement "God does not exist"?
Can you honestly make the absolute statement "Invisible sock gremlins do not exist"?

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Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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Well, here's what I was thinking. And yes, I am a Christian so I was definitely thinking the God of the Bible. I was thinking that no intelligent, educated, freethinking atheist could possibly be so bold as to make the absolute statement "God does not exist." But yet at the time of this writing three atheists have checked that statement is true. Because to make that statement, is to make a claim of knowing absolutely everything there is to know about everything and of having been everywhere in the universe and having witnessed everything there is to be seen.
Atheists cannot prove that God does not, for example, live in the center of the sun, or beneath the clouds of Jupiter, or in some distant nebula. Since those places are beyond our capacity to observe, it cannot be proven that God does not exist. Thus, it takes faith to be an atheist and it takes faith to be a theist.
Just a side not. Faith in atheism is not proof in no god.(smile)
Well, here's what I was thinking. I was thinking that no intelligent, educated, freethinking person could possibly be so bold as to make the absolute statement "Invisible sock gremlins do not exist." Because to make that statement, is to make a claim of knowing absolutely everything there is to know about everything and of having been everywhere in the universe and having witnessed everything there is to be seen.

You cannot prove that invisible sock gremlins do not, for example, live in the center of the sun, or beneath the clouds of Jupiter, or in some distant nebula. Since those places are beyond our capacity to observe, it cannot be proven that invisible sock gremlins do not exist. Thus, it takes faith to be an invisible sock gremlin non-believer and it takes faith to be a theist.

What do you say to that?

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Sola Scriptura wrote:
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You arrogant atheists do it all the time in the Christian forum. Clean up your own trash.
Really? Can you post a link? I would love to see that!! Actually, I think you are lying.

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Yesu Kristo Mwokozi wangu wrote:
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No I can't! I truly believe the evidence overwhelmingly supports that statement, but just like an atheist, I have to have faith to believe. See my most recent post above.
What evidence is that?

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Aug 30, 2012
 
The is no god i have looked under my bed

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Aug 30, 2012
 
Mikko wrote:
The is no god i have looked under my bed
OMG! I forgot to look under my bed.
No telling how many deities may be there.

If you leave deities alone for long unsupervised they multiply.

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The serpent was right wrote:
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The absolute statement "Invisible sock gremlins do not exist" is unprovable. Would you agree?
Hey I know invisible sock gremlins exist I cannot see them but man can I smell them.

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Sola Scriptura wrote:
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But yet you smart ass atheists CANNOT prove there IS no God. You come up with the garbage that the burden of proof is on believers. BS! YOU prove there is no God. Can't do it, can you?
Please, don't be mad because our ass is smarter. Your need to believe in something you can not prove exists, is shared by millions. I suggest some kind of institution for mental illness or a psychiatric hospital.

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Sola Scriptura wrote:
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But yet you smart ass atheists CANNOT prove there IS no God.
Nice try but every single god that's ever been proposed throughout history has been categorically disproven.
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Both atheists and believers presume to know more than they actually do. But it is human nature to have an aversion to uncertainty.

"You may call me an agnostic... I do not share the crusading spirit of the professional atheist whose fervor is mostly due to a painful act of liberation from the fetters of religious indoctrination received in youth. I prefer an attitude of humility corresponding to the weakness of our intellectual understanding of nature and of our own being." - Albert Einstein

"So long as the universe had a beginning, we could suppose it had a creator. But if the universe is completely self-contained, having no boundary or edge, it would neither be created nor destroyed it would simply be. What place, then, for a creator?" -Stephen Hawking, English scientist

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Sep 1, 2012
 
Big Al wrote:
Both atheists and believers presume to know more than they actually do. But it is human nature to have an aversion to uncertainty.
Other people's opinions about atheism (including famous people) don't change the fact that atheism is logically and evidencially correct.

Unlike religion it is not dependent upon the unproven beliefs and opinions of uneducated liars.

The important thing for you as an agnostic who doesn't understand the debate at all is that you've found a way to feel superior to both sides

-ref xkcd

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