Letters: Atheists interfere with othe...

Letters: Atheists interfere with others' beliefs

There are 253 comments on the WisInfo story from Feb 28, 2012, titled Letters: Atheists interfere with others' beliefs. In it, WisInfo reports that:

Massachusetts parents are suing their school district because their children's rights to be atheists is being violated because they have to say the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Since: Dec 09

Falls of Rough, Kentucky

#225 Jun 11, 2012
TheHeathen wrote:
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This is a chicken-egg situation. Atheism isn't a religion but idiots want to call it one and so, if that means tax breaks, then more power to the people who are able to take advantage of that. After all, churches have been doing it forever.
Atheism has been a religion from the very beggining, it is a religion of self and man made ideas. All you have to do is get some of the children's school text books and look at the pictures, all the pictures are different, different artists conceptions of something that don't exist. Several of the oriental religions were atheistic in the beginning, nothing new.
TheHeathen

United States

#226 Jun 11, 2012
deray wrote:
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Atheism has been a religion from the very beggining, it is a religion of self and man made ideas. All you have to do is get some of the children's school text books and look at the pictures, all the pictures are different, different artists conceptions of something that don't exist. Several of the oriental religions were atheistic in the beginning, nothing new.
Hang on... Because different artists drew different pictures, atheism is a religion?

Sooooo since different singers sang different songs... What does that mean, exactly?

“Fortes Fortuna Juvat, ”

Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#227 Jun 11, 2012
TheHeathen wrote:
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Hang on... Because different artists drew different pictures, atheism is a religion?
Sooooo since different singers sang different songs... What does that mean, exactly?
I guess breathing is a religion, taking a dump is a religion, driving a car is a religion, everything is a religion by Deray’s mind set.
TheHeathen

United States

#228 Jun 11, 2012
Very Cynical Person wrote:
<quoted text>I guess breathing is a religion, taking a dump is a religion, driving a car is a religion, everything is a religion by Deray’s mind set.
Glad to see someone else was getting those vibes. I'd hate to think I was the only one. Thanks for clearing it up.

Since: Dec 09

Falls of Rough, Kentucky

#229 Jun 15, 2012
TheHeathen wrote:
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Hang on... Because different artists drew different pictures, atheism is a religion?
Sooooo since different singers sang different songs... What does that mean, exactly?
The atheists harp about religious people not being able to point out God to them. We religious people point out you are not able to point out anything that proves evolution either. The point about the pictures in the children’s books are supposed to be depictions of the same things or animals, look in different class room books all the pictures are a different for the same creature. So you atheists go on FAITH of something you have not really seen, that’s called religion in most cases. Ha Ha Ha Your dogma....
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#230 Jun 15, 2012
deray wrote:
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The atheists harp about religious people not being able to point out God to them..
No we don't. We know there is no evidence for any sky pixies but when you claim to KNOW there is one we simply ask for your evidence as a rhetorical point (we already know you have no evidence)
deray wrote:
< We religious people point out you are not able to point out anything that proves evolution either...
One, atheism has nothing to do with evolution. Two, evolution is a fact explained by the TOE. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming and undisputed in the scientific community.
deray wrote:
< So you atheists go on FAITH of something you have not really seen, that’s called religion in most cases. Ha Ha Ha Your dogma....
So people who believe in leprechauns, aliens visiting Earth, Loch Ness Monster, bigfoot, etc. are members of religions? Really? Interesting perspective.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#232 Jun 16, 2012
deray wrote:
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The atheists harp about religious people not being able to point out God to them.
No we don't. Why do you lie?

Since: Dec 09

Falls of Rough, Kentucky

#233 Jun 21, 2012
IRYW wrote:
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No we don't. We know there is no evidence for any sky pixies but when you claim to KNOW there is one we simply ask for your evidence as a rhetorical point (we already know you have no evidence)
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One, atheism has nothing to do with evolution. Two, evolution is a fact explained by the TOE. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming and undisputed in the scientific community.
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So people who believe in leprechauns, aliens visiting Earth, Loch Ness Monster, bigfoot, etc. are members of religions? Really? Interesting perspective.
Evolution has never been proven fact, that is why it is called a theory: a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate.

One can look closly at the theory and find many holes and it just falls apart on its own merit...

Since: Dec 09

Falls of Rough, Kentucky

#234 Jun 21, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>No we don't. Why do you lie?
It is hardly a lie when atheists rent bill boards on the side of the roadways...
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#235 Jun 21, 2012
deray wrote:
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Evolution has never been proven fact, that is why it is called a theory: a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate.
One can look closly at the theory and find many holes and it just falls apart on its own merit...
Twit. Facts are tiny things in science. Theories are the overarching explanations for the observed facts. Evolution has been observed; it is a fact. The theory explains how it works. But you are a godbot so you won't understand this.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#236 Jun 21, 2012
deray wrote:
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It is hardly a lie when atheists rent bill boards on the side of the roadways...
Yeah, billboards to say we are doing great without any gods, even the little blue ones.

You on the other hand, are part of the lunacy fringe, extolling your inability to function without a invisible crack-head daddy freak to scare you into "good behavior" which is really more about obedience, penance and contrition, than actual good behavior.

Can you say tithes? Religions favored fuel!

We don't harp about it, and saying it, is exactly what we see as truth, why don't you do some proving the god or gods, that you harp about? I'd particularly like to see the little blue god, proven to be real.

We don't mind at all that you prove it.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#237 Jun 22, 2012
I agree very well said.
Amused wrote:
Atheists interfere with christians and muslims imposing their beliefs on others.
There, fixed it for you.
You're welcome.

Since: Dec 09

Falls of Rough, Kentucky

#238 Jun 25, 2012
IRYW wrote:
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Twit. Facts are tiny things in science. Theories are the overarching explanations for the observed facts. Evolution has been observed; it is a fact. The theory explains how it works. But you are a godbot so you won't understand this.
Evolution has never been observed; even the strongest supporters of this farce of evolution recognize that as a fact. Theories are guess work nothing more. Theories also change in a major way from time to time being mostly proven false over time. Albert Einstein as an example said, nothing can go faster than the speed of light, recent research has shown that it may be possible after all for some matter to go faster than light. This would change the fundamentals of his theories.
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#239 Jun 25, 2012
deray wrote:
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Evolution has never been observed; .
OF course it has. It has been observed in the field and in the lab in real time. It is observed in the fossil record and genome project. You can't make that go away just because it scares your godbot brain.
deray wrote:
< even the strongest supporters of this farce of evolution recognize that as a fact..
Actually the strongest supporters include people who have participated in the observation of evolution at work.
deray wrote:
< Theories are guess work nothing more..
There isn't much to talk about if you don't know the difference between a scientific theory and the word theory in common usage.
deray wrote:
< Theories also change in a major way from time to time being mostly proven false over time..
Actually that isn't true. The theories themselves rarely chance; what changes are some of the details.
deray wrote:
< Albert Einstein as an example said, nothing can go faster than the speed of light, recent research has shown that it may be possible after all for some matter to go faster than light. This would change the fundamentals of his theories.
Correct. That is how science works. When a theory is actually falsified, we move on and adjust our understanding. If scientific people refused to change we'd still be performing exorcisms on epileptic patients.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#240 Jun 25, 2012
P_Smith wrote:
Atheists are "interfering with others' beliefs" in the same way that laws against rape prevent men from having sex.
The only people being "prevented" from their practices are those trying to force themselves upon others. Forcing religion onto adults is akin to rape, and forcing religion upon children is akin to pedophilia. Just look at catholic priest kiddy fiddlers.
Those who want to religion or sex in private, and only with willing participants, aren't in any way affected or prevented from doing it. Only the dishonest claim otherwise.
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very strong metaphor, and a very close parallel. and the words "I love you so I am doing this" get used sometimes in both cases, as well.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#241 Jun 25, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
I agree very well said.
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I liked that comment too.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#242 Jun 25, 2012
IRYW wrote:
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OF course it has. It has been observed in the field and in the lab in real time. It is observed in the fossil record and genome project. You can't make that go away just because it scares your godbot brain.
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Actually the strongest supporters include people who have participated in the observation of evolution at work.
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There isn't much to talk about if you don't know the difference between a scientific theory and the word theory in common usage.
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Actually that isn't true. The theories themselves rarely chance; what changes are some of the details.
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Correct. That is how science works. When a theory is actually falsified, we move on and adjust our understanding. If scientific people refused to change we'd still be performing exorcisms on epileptic patients.
Hi - I do not know if this qualifies as evolution happening. I saw a report on an experiment with foxes. Many of them were put in cages, and handlers went by with good stury gloves on and put their gloved hands near the cages. If the foxes cowered in a corner, nor attacked, they were left in the cages - and presumably released into the wild later one hopes. But the foxes that came up with a friendly interest were kept and bred to each other. The resulting offspring were much like little dogs, in personality, but also in other ways. I think it was a Russian experiment.

Now let me tell you my wild experiment I want someone to do. I want a simple language of a few pictures to be devised and taught to great apes, children, dolphins, and border collies,- things like water and food (probably including multiple items, as much edible in common as possible) and maybe hotter or colder. and see if they would talk to each other.
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#243 Jun 25, 2012
Gotta see it ta believe it.........

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/loch-nes...
IRYW

Malvern, PA

#244 Jun 25, 2012
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> Hi - I do not know if this qualifies as evolution happening. I saw a report on an experiment with foxes. Many of them were put in cages, and handlers went by with good stury gloves on and put their gloved hands near the cages. If the foxes cowered in a corner, nor attacked, they were left in the cages - and presumably released into the wild later one hopes. But the foxes that came up with a friendly interest were kept and bred to each other. The resulting offspring were much like little dogs, in personality, but also in other ways. I think it was a Russian experiment..
NO that is behavior modification, not evolution. Evolution is a change in the frequency of alleles in a population, or more simply put, a genetic mutation that due to providing an advantage in reproductivity (better access to food, more able to avoid predators, etc) is 'selected' by natural selection.
havent forgotten wrote:
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Now let me tell you my wild experiment I want someone to do. I want a simple language of a few pictures to be devised and taught to great apes, children, dolphins, and border collies,- things like water and food (probably including multiple items, as much edible in common as possible) and maybe hotter or colder. and see if they would talk to each other.
http://news.yahoo.com/thinking-study-turns-ap...
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#245 Jun 25, 2012
IRYW wrote:
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NO that is behavior modification, not evolution. Evolution is a change in the frequency of alleles in a population, or more simply put, a genetic mutation that due to providing an advantage in reproductivity (better access to food, more able to avoid predators, etc) is 'selected' by natural selection.
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http://news.yahoo.com/thinking-study-turns-ap...
Isn't the breeding of fancy dogs and horses somewhat of a man-made imitation of evolution, by picking out the ones with the characteristics they want to emphasize? Not necessarily for the good of the animals, either. I think who breeds with whom - whether in the animal or human kingdom - is a better way to "evolve" than through accidents, potentially, but not necessarily. Hitler's methods proving how evil that could be in the wrong hands.

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