In America, atheists are still in the...

In America, atheists are still in the closet

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#49256 Jul 30, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
I find it highly coincidental that most religious hotspots (the babble belt for example) are centred on masses of limestone bedrock, which are washed by acid rain.
I guess you thought the humor was good enough to support the lie... which in the end just helps prove you are as I have already proved: a liar.

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#49257 Jul 30, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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Einstein didn't believe in a personal God. He did not believe in a God that punishes (or forgives) sin. He did not believe in an afterlife.
So?

Einstein was NOT an atheist.

Now disprove what I said: that Einstein WAS NOT an atheist.

Disprove what I said: he held some atheists- like NotBots- in special disdain, i.e., they are particularly bigoted and hypocritical.
spudgun

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#49258 Jul 30, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The members of the House of Lords are ELECTED.
Why would you give a shit about the house of lords? I am off this thread, too many crazy people.

“I started out with nothing”

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and still got most of it left

#49260 Jul 30, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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So?
Einstein was NOT an atheist.
Now disprove what I said: that Einstein WAS NOT an atheist.
Disprove what I said: he held some atheists- like NotBots- in special disdain, i.e., they are particularly bigoted and hypocritical.
When I am having sex I have been known to cry out “Oh god”, does this mean that I am not an atheist too?

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#49261 Jul 30, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Yes, having fun at your expense, learn to live with it.
Like the way you proved that the members of the House of Lords were appointed?

You sure showed me, Skanque!

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#49263 Jul 30, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Was this a misprint or should I contractually you?
contractually?

Context, Chubby.

Satire.

Have the postman explain it to you.

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#49264 Jul 30, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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When I am having sex I have been known to cry out “Oh god”
And the postman has been known to cry out "eUUUUGH".

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#49265 Jul 30, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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Why would you give a shit about the house of lords? I am off this thread, too many crazy people.
i SHAN'T SLEEP knowing you are not reading my posts!

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#49266 Jul 30, 2013
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FYI, I am co-owner (with my husband (who you repeatedly lie about)) of a multi-million pound business
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Of course you are, and you are so busy you can't get away from the desk.

Multimillion dollar pound sounds more like the wheelchair capacity the British healthcare system installed so you could drive your Scooter up to the first floor flat you and your equally fat pussies live in.

Meow!

“Think&Care”

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#49267 Jul 30, 2013
spudgun wrote:
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Whoa, difficult question there! Hmmm, I am not a scientist (obviously). But have read that gravity is not fully understood.
But it *is* measurable and testable. In fact, our theories about gravity have been tested for the last 400 years.
Also dark energy and dark matter not fully understood.
Both measurable and testable.
Could it be they they are not fully testable?
What is the difference between testable and 'fully' testable? Anything not testable, even in theory, is irrelevant because it doesn't interact in any measurable way.
How about the origin of the universe, and the origin of the laws of phsyics, could these be outside of science? I am asking cause I have no idea.
Actually, the theories about those, to be scientific theories, have to be testable. For example, the Big bang theory is based on general relativity, which is testable, on statistical mechanics, which is testable, and it testable in many particulars, from the abundances of light elements to the specific form of the background radiation.

Whether the laws of physics have an origin is still up for debate. Any theory of such would have to be testable, however, to be meaningful.

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#49268 Jul 30, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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But it *is* measurable and testable.
If it isn't... I guess it doesn't exist.

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#49269 Jul 30, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The members of the House of Lords are ELECTED.
You are FAT and your husband left you.
Since I have not been on this thread much lately, I may be very confused about whatever your argument with Christine is about, however the House of Lords is NOT elected.

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#49271 Jul 30, 2013
boooots wrote:
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Since I have not been on this thread much lately, I may be very confused about whatever your argument with Christine is about, however the House of Lords is NOT elected.
Let me make sure you are willing to crawl out on a limb and assert that the House of Lords... in the UK... let me be sure... is NOT elected?

Positive?

Are you sure you are not more comfortable with a number? E.G., 0 -
800 (or so, it moves a bit).

“Think&Care”

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#49278 Jul 30, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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If it isn't... I guess it doesn't exist.
If it isn't measurable and testable, even in theory, then it doesn't exist. Correct.

“Think&Care”

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#49279 Jul 30, 2013
Just Results wrote:
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I don't either. I believe in one deity, God.
You are going to Hell if you die at this very moment in your current status. Sorry to have to tell you that, but I think you know that already.
Actually, I believe you are simply wrong. Hell is a myth. So is heaven. So is anything regarding a supernatural. But I think you know that already.

“Think&Care”

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#49280 Jul 30, 2013
Just Results wrote:
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Unfortunately the schools have abandoned God. That's why you atheists are fully to blame for the current crime rates.
You serve a wicked god, Satan.
The crime rates have been going down over the last decade or two. We are far better off than when religion controlled the government. During that stage, routine torture that was literally medieval was common.

I serve no God. Satan is simply another of the many myths you promote in your ignorance and fear.

“Think&Care”

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#49281 Jul 30, 2013
Just Results wrote:
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Yes, and we are . I never saw an atheist organization help a soul during the tornado damage in Illinois and Kentucky. Only faith based and Christian groups showed up with food , water, money, lodging, carpentry, supplies, etc.
You lazy atheists just sat on your couches spending tax dollars bickering about a God that does exist.
Non-religious groups showed up. They simply didn't trumpet that they were non-religious. Religious groups tend to ignore the advice to not let the left hand know what the right hand is doing. And yes, it was on exactly the issue of charity.

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#49282 Jul 30, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Let me make sure you are willing to crawl out on a limb and assert that the House of Lords... in the UK... let me be sure... is NOT elected?
Positive?
Are you sure you are not more comfortable with a number? E.G., 0 -
800 (or so, it moves a bit).
I am just going by what the information posted on line says about the House of Lords, and how they are appointed, in some cases for life, and how they function, much similar to our Senate in Canada. There is nothing in the articles to even suggest that they are elected. I do not live in the UK nor have I ever been there, but there is a massive misunderstanding of both Canadian and UK politics by people who do not live in those countries, going as far as some stating that the Queen runs Canada, which if she ever dared try, we would likely laugh at her.

Yes, she has a ceremonial role, which is mostly conducted by a Canadian citizen who is appointed every so many years, and they "officially" do certain things, but in both countries, the elected House of Commons are the rulers, and they are elected.

Of course, as with the kind of hijinks that go on behind the scenes in the USA, with their rather bizarre form of government, what is said to happen, and what actually happens, could be two entirely different things.

Ultimately those with their hands in the right pockets tend to run things. Canada, though, is by no means as corrupt as the USA, nor have we had such bizarre leaders as the likes of the two Bushes, especially Jr Bush, who did enough in his two illegal terms to set the US back most of anything it gained in preceding decades, including getting it involved in two nonsense wars, which history will likely show were as big a disasters as the Vietnam fiasco. Granted the military personnel needed work, and the new technology need to be tested, and who better to test them on then some countries that pose a potential threat to US control of their oil sources.

Had, by some weird stroke of events, the USA been beaten in the wars that Bush started, he would surely have been executed as an international war criminal, or if not, he well should have been, however not approving of the death penalty, I would gladly have let him rot in prison for the rest of his life.

I wonder how the families of those young people from the USA who were killed or permanently maimed in those wars will deal with their traumas (hopefully not as they have in the past and hope that the next generation will follow in their father's footsteps and get killed in some senseless war too).

By the way, some years ago, percentage wise (percentage of total personnel from each country involved), Canada had the highest fatality rate of any countries, including the USA, in Afghanistan. I don't know where that figure stands now, since the change of approach to those wars has occurred. I have not paid a lot of close attention to those wars because after following US aggression for most of my life, it eventually gets boring. It however will soon be more personal as a close relative is leaving soon for 6 months in Afghanistan, even though a couple of family members had vowed to break limbs to prevent that from happening a few years ago.

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#49283 Jul 30, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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If it isn't measurable and testable, even in theory, then it doesn't exist. Correct.
Like quarks, eh?

Or your intelligence, eh?

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#49284 Jul 30, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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The crime rates have been going down over the last decade or two.
There is no connection- putting aside the USA has been MORE religious over the last decade or two.

I guess you leave measurable proof to others.

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