In America, atheists are still in the closet

Apr 11, 2012 Full story: Spiked 47,711

So do many other interest and identity groups. Complaint is our political lingua franca: it's what Occupiers, Tea Partiers, Wall Street titans, religious and irreligious people share.

Read more

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48479 May 2, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
Face it, manchild, you got schooled with your own argument.
Face it: you are a lying *t.

SuperFAG writes:
If Britain is a monarchy then the Queen should have legislative powers.

She does not.

Thus, Britain's system of government is not a monarchy.
++

SupaAFC
#48063

Nobody, despite your continual spin, denies that Britain has a monarchy. Or that it has "powers". Or that the monarch is our head of state.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48480 May 2, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
Of course not because Barefoot can make claims out of thin air and never has to back them up.
Of course, Barefoot2626 not only backs up his assertions, he uses your exact quotes to do it.

He doesn't have to explain what you meant, or insist you should responsible for convoluted logic he invented.

NO: he quotes you exactly and watches you spin.
SupaAFC

Newtownabbey, UK

#48481 May 2, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
The sun rises in the east.
And the Electoral College elect the president.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
As I have pointed out many dozen times: the kind of government the US has doesn't matter.
As I have pointed out many dozen times: the best way to expose your hypocrisy is to use an analogy.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Putting aside the Citizens of the USA elect the head of state where the SUBJECTS of the monarch in the UK do not.
Putting aside that the Constitution says differently.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
The questions is not what kind of government does the US or Germany or North Korea or Botswana have: its...
... it's about showing how a hypocritical manchild is intellectually bankrupt.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the United KING_dom a monarchy? Yes or no?
Already answered. Go find it.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Face it: you are a lying *t.
You are the one deliberately trying to conflate has and is. The lying "*t", manchild, is you.

Tell us again about how Jeff is a car.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Of course, Barefoot2626 not only backs up his assertions, he uses your exact quotes to do it.

He doesn't have to explain what you meant, or insist you should responsible for convoluted logic he invented.

NO: he quotes you exactly and watches you spin.
Nope, you grab smidgets of my posts to try and claim victory while running away like a coward from the arguments.

Manchild plays for the pawns... but never the King.

Because he is a hypocritical coward and knows it.

I have the Constitution on my side. You have nothing.

Better hope that the Electoral College votes wisely in 2016.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48482 May 2, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
And the Electoral College elect the president.
Americans vote for the electors who vote for the president, SuperFAG.

You have NO VOTE for PM. You have NO VOTE for who is the monarchy.

I have every bit as much say as who is the UK prime minister as you.

Is the United KING_dom a monarchy, SuperFAG? Yes or no?

Let's see what you said so far>

SuperFAG writes:
If Britain is a monarchy then the Queen should have legislative powers.

She does not.

Thus, Britain's system of government is not a monarchy.
++

SupaAFC
#48063
Nobody, despite your continual spin, denies that Britain has a monarchy. Or that it has "powers". Or that the monarch is our head of state.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48483 May 2, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
Putting aside that the Constitution says differently.
Funny how you never have the quote you need, eh, SuperFAG?
SupaAFC

Newtownabbey, UK

#48484 May 2, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Americans vote for the electors who vote for the president, SuperFAG.
So therefore Americans do not vote for the president.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have NO VOTE for PM.
Of course not because people do not "run" for PM. As always you are trying to force reality to fit in with your delusions.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have NO VOTE for who is the monarchy.
Thankfully it matters not as the monarchy are nothing but ceremonial ornaments despite what an internet manchild living in another continent thinks.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have every bit as much say as who is the UK prime minister as you.
I have every bit as much say as who is the United States president as you.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the United KING_dom a monarchy, SuperFAG? Yes or no?
Already answered. Go fish instead of asking it ad nauseum.

Then show me where you ever answered about the United States being a republic.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's see what you said so far>
SuperFAG writes:
<quoted text>
++
SupaAFC
#48063
<quoted text>
And you continue to lie as is expected of desperate cowards.

Just because Jeff has a car does not mean that he is one, manchild.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Funny how you never have the quote you need, eh, SuperFAG?
I have already posted the twelfth amendment. As always you ran away.

Do let us know when the American public start voting for the president.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48485 May 2, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
So therefore Americans do not vote for the president.
I voted for POTUS in November.

As did 120 million other Americans.

Over in the UK, one person gets to vote on who is Prime minister.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48486 May 2, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<
Of course not because people do not "run" for PM.
Of course not.

Prime ministers are appointed by the monarch.

mon·ar·chy mon-er-kee]
noun, plural mon·ar·chies.
1. a state or nation in which the supreme power is actually ***** or nominally **** lodged in a monarch. Compare absolute monarchy, limited monarchy.

2. supreme power or sovereignty held by a single person.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48487 May 2, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
I have every bit as much say as who is the United States president as you.
A lie repeated one thousand times is still a lie.

I guess you are working on the second thousand.
SupaAFC

Newtownabbey, UK

#48488 May 2, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
I voted for POTUS in November.
As did 120 million other Americans.
Then the Electoral College convened to cast the votes that mattered. Yours was not included because yours does not count.

I have the twelfth amendment. You have, well... nothing.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Over in the UK, one person gets to vote on who is Prime minister.
And that one person has an amazing 100 percent track record of appointing the leader of the majority party.

Every single time after every single election.

How do you explain that, manchild?
SupaAFC

Newtownabbey, UK

#48489 May 2, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course not.
Prime ministers are appointed by the monarch.
And the Queen's 100 percent record is uncanny.

Could it just be that, as usual, you are dishonestly trying to distort what is a blatant ceremonial power? I think so.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
mon·ar·chy mon-er-kee]
noun, plural mon·ar·chies.
1. a state or nation in which the supreme power is actually ***** or nominally **** lodged in a monarch. Compare absolute monarchy, limited monarchy.
2. supreme power or sovereignty held by a single person.
You have pasted this plenty of times and it still explains nothing. I dare you, manchild, to define democracy and show the world how having a monarch as head of state stops a country from being classified as a democracy.

I dare you.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>A lie repeated one thousand times is still a lie.
And yet you persist in pretending that the twelfth amendment does not say what it says.

Once again, the manchild is playing hypocrite.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48490 May 2, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
Then the Electoral College
~stomp stomp stomp~

I voted for POTUS last November.

When did you last vote for Prime Minister, SuperFAG?

SuperFAG writes:
If Britain is a monarchy then the Queen should have legislative powers.

She does not.

Thus, Britain's system of government is not a monarchy.
++

SuperFAG writes:
Nobody, despite your continual spin, denies that Britain has a monarchy. Or that it has "powers". Or that the monarch is our head of state.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48491 May 2, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
And the Queen's 100 percent record is uncanny.
I'm not the one pretending the PM of UK is elected, SuperFAG.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48492 May 2, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
I have the twelfth amendment. You have, well... nothing.
Gosh, I have a constitution with 27 amendments.

You have no written constitution.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#48493 May 2, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the United King_dom a monarchy?
Yes or no?
The UK is a Constitutional Monarchy.

"Constitutional monarchy is form of government in which a monarch acts as head of state within the guidelines of a constitution, whether it be a written, uncodified, or blended constitution. This form of government differs from absolute monarchy in which an absolute monarch serves as the source of power in the state and is not legally bound by any constitution and has the powers to regulate his or her respective government." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_m...

Note the word "act".

Same as Canada. The queen acts as the head of state (though she is represented in Canada by a Governor-General, which is a Canadian appointed for a ceremonial position, and only lasts for a few years at a time).

Essentially the UK is governed by a government with a Prime Minster as the head, as is Canada. The Monarch is ceremonial head in practice, though in theory 'could' perhaps have some power, though I doubt that any country in the British Commonwealth would tolerate her taking that power. Canada certainly wouldn't.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#48494 May 2, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, so I guess I was right the first time I mentioned it and even though someone who purports to be from the UK is wrong and has been wrong for the last year or so.
Because this conversational is a day or two old, I do not know who in the UK you are referring to, but I am Canadian, and from my point of view, the Monarchy is nothing more than window dressing, and a waste of money for the expense she brings to a country when she occasionally visits. If the UK did not need her for the tourist attraction she appears to have there, so I have been told, she would likely be terminated as a position (not as a human being).

In fact, when Princess Di was still alive, Americans were more fans of the monarchy than were Canadians. That was reported at the time that she was alive. The country which made the biggest deal of Princess Di was the USA. She was an attractive woman who led rather a short tragic life, who got into a loveless marriage probably for foolish reasons at the time, but I suppose all that goes with being a future Queen of England has a certain appeal to a young woman.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#48495 May 2, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh... you've had a monarchy for at least one thousand years.
Guess how long the USA has had a king?
Why guess, the USA has not had a King. The USA came into being when the colonies rebelled against England which they belonged to at that time, and some of the rebelling people were sworn officers of the British Army, such as Washington, and some had been educated in England.

So the USA was set up as Republic by traitors to their own country, which at that time was England. Aside from the fact that the USA is one of England's closest allies now, it was likely well to be rid of them, considering the sordid history that the USA has had since 1776. I suppose had England seriously wanted the USA back it could have done so in the War of 1812, which it could have won had it put more military into the effort, as it did win much of that war, but agreed to a treaty with the USA rather than continuing to fight.

I am kind of wondering how we got into a debate about the governing of England which has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread, and is a matter of record anyway, which is easy to look up. Hardly something to be debated.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48496 May 2, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
The UK is a Constitutional Monarchy.
mon·ar·chy mon-er-kee]
noun, plural mon·ar·chies.
1. a state or nation in which the supreme power is actually ***** or nominally **** lodged in a monarch. Compare absolute monarchy, limited monarchy.

2. supreme power or sovereignty held by a single person.

Government Type: Constitutional monarchy.
Source: Official wesite of the British Monarcy
"Constitutional monarchy is a form of government in which a king or queen acts as Head of State."

Government Type: Constitutional monarchy.
Source: UK Parliament
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/education/...

Government Type: Constitutional monarchy.
Source: http://www.monarchist.org.uk/constitutional-m...
"A constitutional monarchy is a form of government in which a monarch acts as head of state within the parameters of a written (i.e., codified), unwritten (i.e., uncodified) or blended constitution. "

http://europa.eu/about-eu/countries/member-co...

Government Type: Constitutional monarchy.
Source: US State Department
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3846.htm

Government type: constitutional monarchy and Commonwealth realm
Source: http://www.indexmundi.com/united_kingdom/gove...

Government Type: Constitutional monarchy.
Source: WIKIPedia
The United Kingdom is governed within the framework of a constitutional monarchy, in which the Monarch is the head of state and the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is the head of government.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48497 May 2, 2013
boooots wrote:
<
Same as Canada.
Not the same as Canada.
SupaAFC

Newtownabbey, UK

#48500 May 3, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
~stomp stomp stomp~
I voted for POTUS last November.
I had no idea that you were a member of the Electoral College.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
When did you last vote for Prime Minister, SuperFAG?
Why are you still lying about the role of PM?
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
SuperFAG writes:
<quoted text>
++
SuperFAG writes:
<quoted text>
We know that you think that Jeff is a car. Why do you keep embarrassing yourself?
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not the one pretending the PM of UK is elected, SuperFAG.
Of course you are, hypocritical manchild. We see the PM for what he is; a typical Commons MP who becomes PM by virtue of being the leader of the biggest sitting party.

You, hypocrite, keep asking if I have ever voted for the PM because you, hypocrite, are lying about the PM being some kind of electable office akin to the presidency.

Pretending is your game, manchild.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Gosh, I have a constitution with 27 amendments.

You have no written constitution.
And the twelfth clearly states that the Electoral College - not the people - vote for the president.

Not only are you being schooled on British politics but you are being schooled on your own country's too. How humiliating.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Atheism Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News "Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really T... (Jan '12) 3 min Dogen 17,917
News Who is an atheist? (May '10) 16 min Freebird USA 9,210
News Atheists Aren't the Problem, Christian Intolera... 35 min woodtick57 6,289
News Atheism requires as much faith as religion? (Jul '09) 40 min Uncle Sam 236,761
News Is Religion Childish? 3 hr The Headlines 160
News Atheist monument to counter ten commandments (Jul '13) 10 hr thetruth 20
News The Consequences of Atheism 20 hr thetruth 1,106
More from around the web