In America, atheists are still in the...

In America, atheists are still in the closet

There are 47707 comments on the Spiked story from Apr 11, 2012, titled In America, atheists are still in the closet. In it, Spiked reports that:

So do many other interest and identity groups. Complaint is our political lingua franca: it's what Occupiers, Tea Partiers, Wall Street titans, religious and irreligious people share.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Spiked.

SupaAFC

Kirkcaldy, UK

#48443 Apr 30, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Putting aside the UK monarchy has to approve of laws passed by the Parliament... most of who are not elected into office.

Maybe the fact that Queen Elizabeth could close down Parliament on her say so after tea is enough.
Over 300 years and counting, manchild.

In Barefootland, England did not win the 1966 soccer World Cup until the Queen awarded Bobby Moore the trophy up the Wembley steps.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>It's a yes or no question, dear, and I answered the yes or no question the day I asked it.
Until you actually prove it this is a blatant lie.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not the one pretending the UK isn't a monarchy.

Granted: if I were a subject of a monarchy, I'd be embarrassed.
You are the one pretending that our monarchy governs the country.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Straw man.
Questions are not strawmen. You really should know this.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the United KING_dom a monarchy?

Yes or no
Already answered. That you cannot find the answer is not my problem.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#48444 Apr 30, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
If the monarch's role were ceremonial, the monarch would not be appointing PMs, and the monarch would not have the power to shut down the Parliament.
But we all know you have problems with the English languauge.
Like when you insisted 'unanimously' meant 'almost everyone'.
Technically, according to what is written about that, the Queen does hold some authority but what she does exercise in practice, and has been the case for a long time is ceremonial. The government of all of the countries that she is the Monarch of, including Great Britain, are run by elected officials, and the PM is ceremonially chosen by the Queen, but in actuality he is the person who leads, in most cases at least, the governing party.

What I have read, which is kind of crazy and a bit scarey, is that theoretically she does hold power to overrule the government, but the present Queen has never used that authority, and I highly suspect (but am only guessing) that if she actually attempted to overrule the ruling government that they would do something that would quickly take that power from her.

I doubt that the majority of any citizens of any country in the British Commonwealth would sit back and allow the Queen to rule us. I understand from talking to people who were raised in England but came to Canada after they married, when I asked them why England puts up with having a Queen in this day and age, and the response was that it was good for tourism.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48445 Apr 30, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet when we play the same game by showing you the Constitution clearly stating that the Electoral College
Americans elect their president, Aunt Sally.

When was the last monarch of the UK elected?

When was the last prime minister elected?

OH... right: you live in a monarchy where the monarchy isn't elected and the monarchy appoints the PM.

And can close down the Parliament if she wants.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48446 Apr 30, 2013
boooots wrote:
<quoted text>
Technically, according to what is written about that, the Queen does hold some authority but what she does exercise in practice, and has been the case for a long time is ceremonial.
Is the United King_dom a monarchy?

Yes or no?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48447 Apr 30, 2013
boooots wrote:
What I have read, which is kind of crazy and a bit scarey
Ah, so I guess I was right the first time I mentioned it and even though someone who purports to be from the UK is wrong and has been wrong for the last year or so.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48448 Apr 30, 2013
boooots wrote:
I doubt that the majority of any citizens of any country in the British Commonwealth would sit back and allow the Queen to rule us.
Putting aside she already does, and that the monarchy controls the military and of course everyone who is anyone in the government swears an allegiance to her (or him).

Speculation, you say.

But in the meanwhile: is the United King_dom a monarchy, yes or no?

I gave my answer on the day I asked it.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48449 Apr 30, 2013
[QUOTE who="SupaAFC
In Barefootland, England did not win the 1966 soccer World Cup
[/QUOTE]

Poor SuperFAG: now it's the 1966 World Cup.

All to avoid admitting the UK is a monarchy.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48450 Apr 30, 2013
boooots wrote:
I understand from talking to people who were raised in England but came to Canada after they married, when I asked them why England puts up with having a Queen in this day and age, and the response was that it was good for tourism.
Uh... you've had a monarchy for at least one thousand years.

Guess how long the USA has had a king?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48451 Apr 30, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<
Until you actually prove it this is a blatant lie.
No sweetie: it isn't me to disprove.

What I like to prove is when you flat out lie and I use your exact quotes.
If Britain is a monarchy then the Queen should have legislative powers.

She does not.

Thus, Britain's system of government is not a monarchy.
++

SupaAFC
#48063
Nobody, despite your continual spin, denies that Britain has a monarchy. Or that it has "powers". Or that the monarch is our head of state.
Putting aside the nonsense that a monarch has to have legislative powers to be a monarch, and putting aside the monarch of the UK does have legislative powers.

Including: only the monarch has ultimate approval of the legislation you inside he/she has no power over.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48452 Apr 30, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
Over 300 years and counting, manchild..
Nope.

Anything else, SuperFAG?

Is the United KING_dom a monarchy, yes or no?

What is 'unanimous' mean in the UK, SuerFAG?

SupaAFC
#46664
Tuesday Jan 22
Review: Macmillan was the unanimous choice of the sitting Conservative cabinet; he was duly appointed the new PM.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#48453 Apr 30, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.
Anything else, SuperFAG?
Is the United KING_dom a monarchy, yes or no?
What is 'unanimous' mean in the UK, SuerFAG?
SupaAFC
#46664
Tuesday Jan 22
<quoted text>
You're still here? Or did they let you out, again?

You are just as ugly-inside as ever, I see.

Typical True Believer™, though.

Sad.

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#48454 Apr 30, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the United King_dom a monarchy?
Yes or no?
USA is a republic

Yes or no ?
SupaAFC

Kirkcaldy, UK

#48455 May 1, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Americans elect their president, Aunt Sally.
The words of the Constitution against the words of a resident internet manchild.

I opt for the Constitution.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
When was the last monarch of the UK elected?
When was the last prime minister elected?
OH... right: you live in a monarchy where the monarchy isn't elected and the monarchy appoints the PM.
And can close down the Parliament if she wants.
That you are still ignoring the electoral process of our MPs, and with that the PM, is outright dishonest.

That you are still ignoring that our PM is nothing like your president as a legislative entity due to our politics having emphasis on the parties, is outright dishonest.

That you still think the Queen uses her powers on her own initiative despite how it works in reality, is outright dishonest.

But then, manchild does dishonesty.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Poor SuperFAG: now it's the 1966 World Cup.

All to avoid admitting the UK is a monarchy.
Poor manchild: deliberately playing obtuse to ignore the point of the analogy.

Analogies really are your holy water.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>No sweetie: it isn't me to disprove.
Of course not because Barefoot never has to prove anything.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
What I like to prove is when you flat out lie and I use your exact quotes.
I am well aware that you think owning cars means you are a car.

It would mightily help you to actually read what those quotes say to save yourself from further embarrassment.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Putting aside the nonsense that a monarch has to have legislative powers to be a monarch, and putting aside the monarch of the UK does have legislative powers.
Show us the Queen making a law. You claim we are not a democracy by virtue of having a monarch, so show us our undemocratic government at work.

That's right... you cannot.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Including: only the monarch has ultimate approval of the legislation you inside he/she has no power over.
Over 300 years and counting.

You even gave me a big scary list of bills, but could not show a single case where the Queen refused to give assent.

The smoke is still wafting up from your foot as I type.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope.

Anything else, SuperFAG?
Yup. Over 300 years and counting. No wonder all you can do is stomp your feet and deny it.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is the United KING_dom a monarchy, yes or no?
Already answered; it is not my fault you cannot find it.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
What is 'unanimous' mean in the UK, SuerFAG?
You still cannot address the argument months after that exchange. Cling to that pawn tight, manchild.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48456 May 1, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
<quoted text>
You're still here? Or did they let you out, again?
You still following me around, Fat Bob?

That part-time job flipping burgers not work out for you?

Getting up every morning too stressful for you, eh?

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48457 May 1, 2013
Mikko wrote:
<quoted text>
USA is a republic
Yes or no ?
Already posted... before you asked.

Sweden still have a king?

Yes or no?

No king over here.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48458 May 1, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
The words of the Constitution against the words of a resident internet manchild.
The election of the president of the United States in November against the railings of SuperFAG who cannot even admit the UK is a monarchy.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48459 May 1, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
That you are still ignoring the electoral process of our MPs, and with that the PM, is outright dishonest.
The prime minister of the United King_dom is appointed by the MONARCH.

Yes or no?

I say yes.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48460 May 1, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
That you are still ignoring that our PM is nothing like your president
Funny how you have to invent things I never said to try to make a point.

I never ever said anything remotely like comparing the POTUS was similar to the prime minister of the monarchy of the UK.

I am the one that had to remind you that the UK was appointed in the first place and I am the one who corrected you when you insisted that the Queen had to rubber stamp an "election" of the PM.

The PM is not elected.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48461 May 1, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
That you still think the Queen uses her powers on her own initiative
I've listed the major powers of the UK monarch many times.

You insist she has no powers.

Does the monarchy appoint the PM?

Yes or no?

You have never EVER voted for the office of PM.

Never.

Can the Queen shut down the Parliament today, if she wanted? Yes or no?

Of course: legally, she can.

I'd bet you but then you have already demonstrated you are not a man of your word: you britished out of the bet.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#48462 May 1, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<
You still cannot address the argument months after that exchange.
Address?

I pointed out to you that you were wrong, and you were unable to admit it.

Does unanimous mean everyone, yes or no?

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Atheism Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News "Science vs. Religion: What Scientists Really T... (Jan '12) 19 min Paul Porter1 20,655
John 3:16 47 min Thinking 94
News Atheism requires as much faith as religion? (Jul '09) 1 hr godisimaginary 245,061
News Atheists Aren't the Problem, Christian Intolera... (Oct '14) 5 hr Knowledge- 11,006
News Why Atheism Will Replace Religion (Aug '12) 9 hr ChristineW 14,668
Atheists should stop feeding the stereotypes Sat NightSerf 18
News Si Robertson, 'Duck Dynasty' Star, Says Atheist... Fri thetruth 42
More from around the web