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In America, atheists are still in the closet

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SupaAFC

Blairgowrie, UK

#47791 Mar 24, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I had my fingers crossed!
WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! fingers crossed!
~stomp stomp stomp~
No one person thought you would keep your word.
Britished out of a bet.
Here is the post again:

"You either cite your sources like an adult, or don't and show to all the world that you are a dishonest, spineless, lying coward who never cites his sources, then lies about their origin when backed into a corner.

I am not going to stop posting just because an immature manchild wants me to. This is like my four year-old cousin saying she will only eat her peas if she gets ice cream for dessert.

You, without doubt, have the mentality of a four year-old. That is very, very sad. "

Where is the agreement, manchild?
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I'd bet you double or nothing, SuperFAG, but- well, you British your way out of bets you make here.
Like the one I made about a Facebook link being the Encyclo-

- whoops, that was the bet -you- welshed out from.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
I've already quoted exactly the whole thing, parts, and applicable parts.

Many times.

Wipe your chin.

Now go away.
Nope, as per usual you cherry-picked, ignored the rest, and tried desperately to change the question that I asked you.

Then you made up a story about a bet.

Now, because you have no arguments about Britain being a monarchy, you persist with this strawman.

Do you so happen to be a creationist?
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You keep thinking that you get to make demands.

You don't.
I forgot that people do not have to back up their claims if their name is Barefoot and have the mental age of six year-olds. The golden rule of internet debate.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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All I have to do is quote you- which I did, and pull down your pants and kick you in your grapes.

Done and done.

I proved you wrong.
The world still awaits for the quote where I agreed to a bet.

The world is also waiting for you to define democracy...

... and explain why things within an umbrella term are the same...

... and why things can only be defined by one word...

... and what the Weimar Republic was if it was not a democracy...

... and why you cannot admit that universities do indeed give out politics degrees...

... and why for a supposedly powerful monarchy, Parliament has not had a bill refused by the royals in over 300 years...

... and why a Constitutional monarchy "is a monarchy", but absolute and electives are "kinds"...

... and why a Constitutional monarchy requires one physical Constitution to be defined as such...

... and why, quite simply, everybody and everything else - academia, history, reality - simply ridicules your inane argument about Britain not being a democracy.

For a guy who stresses the importance of quotes and pasting as many source as he can, it sure is funny how you never really seem to answer anything.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I don't have to make you admit you are wrong- you are a conceited, fimicolous git.
So says the manchild who calls his opponents fags and can only argue against strawmen.

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#47792 Mar 24, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
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Here is the post again:
SupaAFC wrote:
" Wikipedia is the -only- source where the quote shows up ad verbatim"

Proof needed to refute: ONE other source.

Proof provided: FOUR sources.

GAME SET MATCH.

Oh... I forgot, Limeys aren't very good at tennis either...

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#47793 Mar 25, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
So says the manchild who calls his opponents fags and can only argue against strawmen.
Only you, SuperFAG, and I guess you shouldn't dish it out if you are going to whine when it get tossed back into your fat sticky face.
Nashoune L

Chula Vista, CA

#47794 Mar 25, 2013
Reason wrote:
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Atheists may very well be not directly doing any of the above. However, pushing God out of our system is handing control to Satan. There is nothing that can be done to stop it completely. Returning to God in large numbers and asking HIM to return His blessing and battle evil on our behalf can slow the process.
Handing control to Satan? Hilarious! It sounds like something you would see on one of those Scary Movie spoofs. No such thing as Satan. No such thing as God. What there is: An amazing number of people who for some reason or other like to blame the ills of mankind and the related poor choices made by man as being the fault of some evil super-being who is really out to defile God's creation (man) just to get back at God. I have read better plots in the Sunday comics. You DO realize that making quasi-sensationalist (and ridiculous) claims intended to frighten people into believing in some grand spiritual fairy tale has never worked, is not working now, and will never work. And as much as so many people who claim to believe in God seemingly love to cling to absurd claims as to the depressing fates of mankind are concerned, well, things are not all bad like so many claim. Life is a balance of the good and the bad and neither one can exist without the other, because the inverse meaning of the one is the definition of the other. Of course, no matter how many times people such as myself try to inform scared little puddy-cats like you that the world is most certainly not getting worse and is not without hope (and I am NOT referring to some fairy tale deity or some grand poo-bah judgment as being hope) you simply will not get it. You would rather sit around like a bump on a log, claiming that nothing can be done to save anything, that the wiles of your imaginary pal are the ONLY answers to anything reminiscent of any type of remedy for mankind, and that it is NOT mankind who can fix anything with lasting effect, but that only God can do that. Religion and the related versions of God and other deities cannot save anything, you silly. People have to change what they do, and there are plenty of people in this world who absolutely enjoy getting up every day and giving life every effort to the fullest extent. So, if YOU truly think that there is no hope except that the imaginary come and fix everything...well, that is most certainly YOUR cross to bear. Enjoy it. And, it is alright if you and individuals like yourself wish to continue to spout off about the absurd because while people like me who think that every moment is an opportunity to make things better, we can certainly appreciate the humor and satire your claims provide. Every court needs a jester. Tell me, does your hat have the little bells on it?

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

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#47795 Mar 25, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Only you, SuperFAG, and I guess you shouldn't dish it out if you are going to whine when it get tossed back into your fat sticky face.
Is that where the October Surprise Bush trip to Paris to delay Iranian hostage release hit you - in your fat sticky face?

You went all in on that one. Bwhahaa...

Like you did when I proved Reagan's refusal to negotiate with Gorbachev on SDI brought down the USSR.

You took the side of the USSR, or course.

You blabbering moron.

Buck Crick

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#47796 Mar 25, 2013
By the way, Man-Made Climate Change has been thoroughly debunked, folks.

It was published in the science journal "Nature".

"In so doing, the researchers have been able for the first time to precisely demonstrate that the long-term trend over the past two millennia has been towards climatic cooling."

Since: Jun 07

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#47797 Mar 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Is that where the October Surprise Bush trip to Paris to delay Iranian hostage release hit you - in your fat sticky face?
You went all in on that one. Bwhahaa...
Like you did when I proved Reagan's refusal to negotiate with Gorbachev on SDI brought down the USSR.
You took the side of the USSR, or course.
You blabbering moron.
Sh*t the f*ck up you lying creationist sack of horsesh*t.

For f*cks sake you believe jesus rode on the backs of dinosaurs.

Grow the f*ck up or get some balls and prove your ridiculous cult hallucination.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#47798 Mar 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
By the way, Man-Made Climate Change has been thoroughly debunked, folks.
It was published in the science journal "Nature".
"In so doing, the researchers have been able for the first time to precisely demonstrate that the long-term trend over the past two millennia has been towards climatic cooling."
You don't know jack sh*t about science, you don't even believe in fossils.

how can you accept "Nature" one second and sh*t on it the next with your foolish creationist tripe?

You are not a scientist and never will be, so stop trying to use it to back up your foolish 2005 palin creationist cult cr*p.
Nashoune L

Chula Vista, CA

#47800 Mar 25, 2013
boooots wrote:
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That last sentence describes well the behavior of many so-called believers on Topix, though I feel a bit of a bully too for latching onto your comment to point that out.
You shouldn't feel like a bully. When you are faced with a good number of individuals who present a non-sense argument, non-sense proof in support of that argument, and who chose to converse with those around them who choose to believe differently in a non-sense and bullish manner, well, sometimes the only way to get through with what you have to say is to respond with words and language that a bully would understand. And I am not saying respond in ACTION as a bully, hell no. I literally mean in language usage. Is this a normal response? No, it is not, but keep in mind the individuals you are speaking to. And of course not all believers behave in a bullish manner so such an approach would simply not be right to take with all believers. I have many friends and acquaintances who are devout believers who do not go off the deep end and speak to unbelievers as if they were incompetent. On the other hand I do know some believers who are just so deeply mired in the death and destruction stories of the Bible and God (which is so freaking funny when you consider how loudly they tout their faith and beliefs are comprised of the LOVE of God) that to speak with them and exchange ideas and thoughts and opinions is impossible. They do not want to hear what you have to say. They do not care what you have to say. All that matters to them is that they truly believe everyone else is wrong and they are right. Sometimes it is not even worth the trouble to try to communicate with bully believers by communicating with them in the same, school-yard bully manner in which they speak.
Nashoune L

Chula Vista, CA

#47801 Mar 25, 2013
Reason wrote:
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Rhetoric. Stop being insulting to peoples intelligence. God was "added" to our culture from the beginning. We saw a couple centuries of growth, success, and global leadership because of it.
Now, non-belief and misguided believers have allowed sin and evil to corrupt our country.
Which part of history makes you think that God was integrated with our culture from the very beginning? And do you mean American culture? Such a claim simply is not true. I know that some believers think, teach, and preach that America was founded on Christian beliefs. In fact, being raised Christian, my siblings and I were in private Christian schools when we were children and we were in fact taught that the United States was founded on Christianity. This is a lie, whether or not it is an intentional lie it is still a lie.

The founding Fathers were deists, although many identified as Methodist, Protestant, Episcopalian and a handful of others. And this is not from the viewpoint of one or two or just a few historians. Look at some of the statements and items written about God and religion that were made by members of our founding government. Of course, just like any group or club that wants to maintain good membership numbers would do, many believers claim that America was founded on Christianity and God and the Bible, and then follow up that unsubstantiated claim with an even more ridiculous claim that the problems within the U.S. to include governmental problems, are rooted in a 'fall' from Christianity.

There are plenty of people who are then scared into believing, which presents more problems than just their belief is not one that can be categorized as faith since it is based on fear. Maybe you were brought up to believe such fanciful claims. Maybe you have been told that information to the contrary is just a trick of Satan to try to take you away from God. Maybe you really, truly believe with all of your heart that it is all true and the U.S. is currently headed to hell in a hand basket as divine punishment from God.

You know, not that long ago...say, about five hundred years, people really and truly thought that the world was flat. They believed it so sincerely that they killed over such a belief, persecuted and maimed each other over such. None of that changed the fact that the earth is indeed round. So, it is okay for you to believe the way that you do. If you wish to believe that everything in this world and universe is bad, doomed, or slated for hell if it is contrary to your faith...power to you. If you wish to live in the little cocoon of fear spun from the web of lies of religion...go for it. It is a waste of time, though. All of your terrible predictions and beliefs and treatments of others have ZERO effect in labeling one shred of the divine mythology presented by those who peddle their religious wares as truth to be actual truth.

At some point, usually when people stop responding to a believer's questions as to why a person thinks there is no God or in response to a believer's challenge to the non-believer to prove there is no God, a believer may misinterpret the silence to mean a spiritual concession of sorts, that the silence must mean that the non-believer knows the believer is right. This is not the case. What is happening is people are simply tired of hearing a load of crap day in and day out and would rather say nothing than to be drug into a senseless argument where the believer isn't going to listen to anything other than themselves.

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#47802 Mar 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
By the way, Man-Made Climate Change has been thoroughly debunked, folks.
Nope.

No matter how hard you stomp your fat little feet, Dolt.

Since: Feb 11

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#47803 Mar 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
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Is that where the October Surprise Bush trip to Paris
Straw man, Chubby.

Since: Feb 11

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#47804 Mar 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
Like you did when I proved Reagan's refusal to negotiate with Gorbachev on SDI brought down the USSR.
We are still laughing at you, fat boy.

Take your statins and stop drinking.

You also "proved" the 10,000 year old earth and the parting of the Red Sea.

The vein in your forehead is throbbing again. Calm blue ocean...

Since: Feb 11

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#47805 Mar 25, 2013
Nashoune L wrote:
The founding Fathers were deists, although many identified as Methodist, Protestant, Episcopalian and a handful of others.
Nope.

Some were; most weren't.

Since: Feb 11

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#47806 Mar 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
You took the side of the USSR, or course.
.
I took the side of the Americans who saw a senile president- who, when not importing cocaine into the country and starting wars with countries that had no standing armies- flushed $150-200 BILLION dollars down the rabbit hole.
Mr Smartypants

Roy, WA

#47807 Mar 25, 2013
Buck Crick wrote:
By the way, Man-Made Climate Change has been thoroughly debunked, folks.
It was published in the science journal "Nature".
"In so doing, the researchers have been able for the first time to precisely demonstrate that the long-term trend over the past two millennia has been towards climatic cooling."
I didn't read that particular article but, IIRC, there was another report that said, yes, the long-term trend over the last two millennia was towards global cooling EXCEPT for the sharp increase in global temperature since the dawn of the Industrial Era. If anything, a sudden reversal of the cooling trend is a very strong argument for global warming.
SupaAFC

Leven, UK

#47808 Mar 25, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
SupaAFC wrote:
" Wikipedia is the -only- source where the quote shows up ad verbatim"
Proof needed to refute: ONE other source.
Proof provided: FOUR sources.
GAME SET MATCH.
Oh... I forgot, Limeys aren't very good at tennis either...
And for the third time in as many days I post the crucial part of the post you keep ignoring:

"Prove me wrong - show me the original source."

That was the challenge. That was the response to the claim you made regarding you using a non-Wiki source.

You, of course, keep quote-mining that same line that you conjured up a red herring out of to avoid addressing what was actually asked. You do this every time you are cornered.

Lie, lie and lie some more, manchild. I again notice that you completely ignored the long, long list of arguments that you cannot provide an answer for - or even attempt to answer.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Only you, SuperFAG, and I guess you shouldn't dish it out if you are going to whine when it get tossed back into your fat sticky face.
Name-calling is your forte. It fits in with your mentality that what worked in the playground will work in the adult world.

When you are rummaging through the dictionary, looking at how democracy is defined, look up "projection" also.
SupaAFC

Leven, UK

#47809 Mar 25, 2013
List of points and arguments that Barefoot cannot refute or explain:

"The world still awaits for the quote where I agreed to a bet.

The world is also waiting for you to define democracy...

... and explain why things within an umbrella term are the same...

... and why things can only be defined by one word...

... and what the Weimar Republic was if it was not a democracy...

... and why you cannot admit that universities do indeed give out politics degrees...

... and why for a supposedly powerful monarchy, Parliament has not had a bill refused by the royals in over 300 years...

... and why a Constitutional monarchy "is a monarchy", but absolute and electives are "kinds"...

... and why a Constitutional monarchy requires one physical Constitution to be defined as such...

... and why, quite simply, everybody and everything else - academia, history, reality - simply ridicules your inane argument about Britain not being a democracy.

For a guy who stresses the importance of quotes and pasting as many source as he can, it sure is funny how you never really seem to answer anything."

Goes for the pawn, ignores the King.

Since: Feb 11

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#47810 Mar 25, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
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And for the third time in as many days I post the crucial part of the post you keep ignoring:
Post it fifty times- I am sure you will.

You insisted that WIKI was the only possible source.

EXACTLY QUOTE, SuperFAG

I posted four sources.

Complete with links.

Wipe your chin.

Since: Feb 11

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#47811 Mar 25, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
That was the challenge.
Nope.

You are think after I kick you squarely in the grapes, you get to move the goal posts.

You don't.

You insisted that WIKI was the only source.

I gave you four.

With sources.

And you lost that fight months ago.

And now you try to British out of a bet.

Wipe your chin, and do stop crying about it getting flung into your sticky face.

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