In America, atheists are still in the closet

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#46211 Jan 14, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
Oh I get it now, that was from the christian point of view and therefore too good to comment on Ė right?
You don't speak well for yourself, yet you continue to insist you speak for (among others) Christians.

"Christians say".....

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

One Christian does not speak for anyone except for him/herself.

Just as atheists would be horrified if you insisted you speak for them.

What Christian have in common is they believe that Jesus the Christ (praise be upon him) was the son of God.

Anything outside of that is pretty much up to interpretation.

Swallow... you are dripping again.
Lincoln

United States

#46212 Jan 14, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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Please tell me why you did not point out barfy butt faceís original claim in post
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
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Stalin embarrassed all that atheism offered and then he started killing millions of people.
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Oh I get it now, that was from the christian point of view and therefore too good to comment on Ė right?
So itís fine by you that a guy who was raised as a christian and tipped for the priesthood caused embarrassment to atheists but not when that same gut who was raised in christian tradition causes embarrassment to christians
I guess itís just the same as modern day christian sloping there shoulders and denying the facts that Hitler was christian
I.E. Christians are willing to lie and even deny historical fact for their God and that is typical Christian thinking
You seem confused.
Stalin in power was an Atheist.
Lenin was also an Atheist in power, both kill millions.
SupaAFC

Leeds, UK

#46213 Jan 14, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The fallacy of the Dumb Azz.
Either the United KING_dom IS a monarchy or it is NOT a monarchy.
There is no middle. It is either *A* or it is *B*. there is no B-; there is no B+ and certainly there is no C.
A person is pregnant or a person is not pregnant.
There is no middle ground, there is no range of choices.
So we know there is yet something else you know nothing about.
And therein lies the black-or-white logic of Barefoot.

Nobody is denying that the UK has a monarchy, or that the Queen is the head of state. What we are disputing is your blatant lie that our government, our political system, is exclusively a monarchy.

Because your ridiculous logic states that there are no shades of grey (there are, you simply choose to ignore them), you pay no attention to Britain's historical development and how, over time, power has shifted from the monarchies, to Parliament, to the people.

It has got to the stage that of the few powers the monarchy retains today, they use only in ceremonial circumstances.

That includes appointing the Prime Minister;

That includes dissolving Parliament;

That includes giving assent to bills.

And so on. In fact, our country's system is such an example of democracy, that guess what? Your own government is based on ours. Two chambers, one executive.

Since you will cut this post into tidbits to try and salvage what is a lost argument, answer this question:

What must a political system consist of in order to be considered democratic?

By all means, tell us.
SupaAFC

Leeds, UK

#46214 Jan 14, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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You seem confused.
Stalin in power was an Atheist.
Lenin was also an Atheist in power, both kill millions.
They were also both men. Both killed millions.

Solution? All-female governments.
SupaAFC

Leeds, UK

#46215 Jan 14, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Last nail in Wiki
In November 2004, McHenry wrote an article for Tech Central Station (later renamed TCS Daily) in which he criticized Wikipedia, a free-content encyclopedia that anyone can edit. In essence, McHenry's main criticism was that Wikipedia was operating on what he believed was a false premise; that allowing anyone to edit articles, whether or not they were knowledgeable, would lead to evolution of article quality. Belief in the ability of Wikipedia to succeed, he argued, required a faith that "some unspecified quasi-Darwinian process will assure that those writings and editings by contributors of greatest expertise will survive". A secondary criticism was that editors were being self-indulgent, because they spent time on minor alterations while leaving important factual inaccuracies in place, and thus were disregarding the needs of the readers.[20] In a later article about Wikipedia, following the Seigenthaler incident, McHenry restated his earlier objections, and added a criticism that the Wikipedia organisation had been unable to respond adequately to the event.[21]
Stop pretending, Lincoln. We know that your problem with Wiki, and any source that contradicts your beliefs, is the fact that it is not a book from the bible.

The bible is authoritative, anything that contradicts it is false.

We get the idea; stop pretending.

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#46216 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
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And therein lies the black-or-white logic of Barefoot.
I guess we forget whining and crying about the two-sided coin.

There are sometimes (often) black and white and yes or no responses, no matter how hard you stomp your feet.

Heads or tails, SuperFAG?

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#46217 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
Nobody is denying that the UK has a monarchy, or that the Queen is the head of state.
Funny.

How many times have I asked you if the United KING_dom was a monarchy, yes or no?

Now that you cannot find ANY support for your position you are insisting that there's a third option?

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#46218 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
It has got to the stage that of the few powers the monarchy retains today,
Already refuted.

PS: A monarchy that has any powers: makes it a monarchy.

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#46219 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
retains today, they use only in ceremonial circumstances.
That includes appointing the Prime Minister;
Already refuted.

You insisted that I provide proof- I did... and then you wanted another.

You see: we don't have to make you admit you were wrong, only to make you look the fool.

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#46220 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
Because your ridiculous logic states that there are no shades of grey
Are there shades of gray: are you pregnant, yes or no?

Are there 100 pennies in a dollar, yes or no?

Is the UK a monarchy, yes or no?
Citizen Pain

Cromwell, CT

#46221 Jan 14, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Is the UK a monarchy, yes or no?
The UK is a liberal/progressive/socialist sh*thole.

But to address your question...

It is not possible to have a federation without a constitution prescribing the powers of the different levels of government, and the UK has no such instrument. The primary principle of our constitutional law is that the UK Parliament can do anything. The legislation which created the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh and Northern Ireland Assemblies carefully reserved power to the UK Parliament to legislate in all matters. The powers of the subordinate legislatures are devolved powers.

So the UK is not a federation; it is a unitary state.

England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland have all been regarded for centuries as nations, and are still correctly referred to as such. This has nothing to do with legal status.

England, Scotland and Ireland all were once Kingdoms, but no longer are (since 1707 in the case of England and Scotland, 1800 in the case of Ireland). Wales was not a Kingdom but a Principality, and is sometimes still referred to as such.

http://alt-usage-english.org/whatistheuk.html

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#46222 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
That includes dissolving Parliament
The monarch has the power to dissolve the UK Parliament.

No one else.

No matter how hard you stomp your feet.

This is a fact; there are no shades of gray.

"In addition to opening Parliament, only The Queen can summon Parliament, and prorogue (discontinue without dissolving it) or dissolve it.

When a Prime Minister wishes to dissolve Parliament and call a general election, he or she is obliged to seek the permission of the Sovereign to do so. For this purpose, the Prime Minister usually travels to Buckingham Palace before announcing a general election.
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#46223 Jan 14, 2013
[QUOTE who="Citizen Pain"
So the UK is not a federation; it is a unitary state.[/QUOTE]

The United KING_dom is a monarchy: yes or no?

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#46224 Jan 14, 2013
Citizen Pain wrote:
England, Scotland and Ireland all were once Kingdoms
There are hundreds of kingdoms and other goverments that no longer exist, and Scotland is still part of the UNITED Kingdom, no matter how hard you stop your feet, and it is not a nation as far as the UN is concerned.
SupaAFC

Leeds, UK

#46225 Jan 14, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I guess we forget whining and crying about the two-sided coin.
There are sometimes (often) black and white and yes or no responses, no matter how hard you stomp your feet.
Heads or tails, SuperFAG?
Your black-or-white logic fails, however, when applied to complex scenarios.

Britain is a modern democracy with relics of its past. If Britain were a monarchy, which you so adamantly claim, then Elizabeth would have all the power, making all the laws, while the rest of us do nothing.

But that is not what we see.

You are flat out lying, Barefoot. Britain has a parliamentary system of government that is "ruled" by a figurehead monarch. Those are the facts, little boy.

And I see that in all your posts you responded with, none of them remotely attempted to explain what a democracy contains.

Why is that, Barefoot? Why do you refuse to set out criteria for a democratic system of government?

Oh yes, I remember: because you are lying.
SupaAFC

Leeds, UK

#46226 Jan 14, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Funny.
How many times have I asked you if the United KING_dom was a monarchy, yes or no?
Now that you cannot find ANY support for your position you are insisting that there's a third option?
It is impossible to answer your question without being plain false. If someone answers yes, then it neglects the fact that we have a Parliamentary system of government where the Queen acts as a figurehead. If someone answers no, then it obviously ignores the fact that we have a monarchy.

You ask this question to deliberately trick people. It is dishonest, but then, that is what dishonest people do.

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#46227 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
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Your black-or-white logic fails, however, when applied to complex scenarios.
It doesn't.

Is the UK a monarchy, yes or no?

I gave you my response months ago.

Funny how you can do it.

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#46228 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
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It is impossible to answer your question without being plain false.
You are a liar.

The United Kingdom is a monarchy.

You are welcome to deny it.

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#46229 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
then it neglects the fact that we have a Parliamentary system
As I pointed out to you the first fifty times you cried about it: it doesn't matter.

mon∑ar∑chy
[mon-er-kee}
noun, plural mon∑ar∑chies.
1.
a state or nation in which the supreme power is actually or nominally lodged in a monarch. Compare absolute monarchy, limited monarchy.
2.
supreme power or sovereignty held by a single person.

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do you see any exceptions?

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#46230 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
You are flat out lying, Barefoot..
Yet I am able to prove you to be the liar.

Is the United Kingdom a monarchy, yes or no?

I say yes.

Do you deny it it?

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