In America, atheists are still in the...

In America, atheists are still in the closet

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#46252 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
why people here, if we are so undemocratic
MOving the goalposts again, SuperFAG.

Do you deny the United Kingdom is a monarchy, yes or no?

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#46253 Jan 14, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
I know why you refused to define democracy:
I also have refused to give you my bread pudding recipe.

You see how it works, SuperFAG: I say the UK is a monarchy, and I don't have to prove evrything that it isn't. only a dumbazz superfuquefag would try.

What I have to do, SuperFAG, is prove that it is a monarchy.

Which was don't a long time ago.

“There is no such thing”

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as a reasonable person

#46254 Jan 14, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You realize that you cannot alter time?
...
Actually.
http://www.spring.org.uk/2011/06/10-ways-our-...
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#46255 Jan 15, 2013
So there was no "the Enigma code". There were many. They had to be cracked over and over again.
Lincoln wrote:
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Yes!
SupaAFC

Leeds, UK

#46257 Jan 15, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I'd have to prove that the United Kingdom had a form of government with a monarch at the head.
Queen Elizabeth...
Nice try, but you are not just claiming that Britain is a monarchy in regard to our head of state. You are claiming that because we have a monarch, then we are therefore not a democracy.

That, Barefoot, is nonsense.

The Queen respects our democratic process just as much as any other citizen. Don't believe me? Read her own website; note how many times the Royal website stresses how the Queen remains politically neutral to avoid influencing the government.

Honest people can explain why the Queen does nothing despite being our head of state. You, a dishonest manchild, cannot.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Nope. Don't care.
Of course you don't care because it blows your UK-not-a-democracy argument out of the water.

Honest people can explain why Britain has a Parliament. You, a dishonest manchild, cannot.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Do you deny the United Kingdom is a monarchy, yes or no?
Is social science a simple yes-or-no phenomenon?
barefoot2626 wrote:
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ogligations, dear SuperFAG?
Barefoot had no rebuttal so pounced on a typing error.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>MOving the goalposts again, SuperFAG.

Do you deny the United Kingdom is a monarchy, yes or no?
How am I moving the goalposts when you claim that Britain, as a result of having a monarchy, is not a democracy?

Have you paid no attention to history in France? Your own country? Even ours with Cromwell? In all cases rebellion was against a powerful and out-of-touch monarchy. If our monarchy was so influential in our politics, then I think it would be safe to say that we as a people would protest against it. But we see none.

Honest people can explain why. You, a dishonest manchild, cannot.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>I also have refused to give you my bread pudding recipe.
It is a common tactic of dishonest posters to play word games to back a weak argument.

Your silence on defining democracy despite gleefully throwing out dictionaries about a monarchy tells us all we need to know about the lengths you go to believe in your delusion.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You see how it works, SuperFAG: I say the UK is a monarchy, and I don't have to prove evrything that it isn't. only a dumbazz superfuquefag would try.
I see. So you can make up any claim you want, run to a dictionary, find a definition you like, then simply apply that definition instead of actually looking at how Britain actually functions as a government, and you don't have to back up anything you say because the dictionary says so.

That is a great way to form arguments if you are a six year-old. Not an adult.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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What I have to do, SuperFAG, is prove that it is a monarchy.

Which was don't a long time ago.
Then explain why our democratically-elected Commons makes the laws instead of the Queen. If we are a monarchy, then the power should lie with the Crown.

And remember: Royal Assent has not been refused in over 300 years, so it is futile to say "well the Queen can refuse to sign them!"
Lincoln

United States

#46258 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>

.....That, Barefoot, is nonsense......
Seems a troll,
why argue with her?

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#46259 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
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Nice try, but you are not just claiming that Britain is a monarchy in regard to our head of state. You are claiming that because we have a monarch, then we are therefore not a democracy.
mon·ar·chy
noun \&#712;mä-n&#601;r-k &#275; also -&#716;när-\
plural mon·ar·chies
Definition of MONARCHY

1: undivided rule or absolute sovereignty by a single person

2: a nation or state having a monarchical government

3: a government having a hereditary chief of state with life tenure and powers varying from nominal to absolute

See monarchy defined for English-language learners »

See monarchy defined for kids »

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#46260 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
The Queen respects our democratic process
mon·ar·chy
noun \&#712;mä-n&#601;r-k &#275; also -&#716;när-\
plural mon·ar·chies

Definition of MONARCHY
1: undivided rule or absolute sovereignty by a single person
2: a nation or state having a monarchical government
3: a government having a hereditary chief of state with life tenure and powers varying from nominal to absolute

See monarchy defined for English-language learners »

See monarchy defined for kids »

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#46261 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
Honest people can explain why the Queen does nothing despite being our head of state.
Refuted dozens of times.

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#46262 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
Of course you don't care because it blows your UK-not-a-democracy argument out of the water.
Head of state, UK?

mon·ar·chy
[mon-er-kee]
noun, plural mon·ar·chies.
1. a state or nation in which the supreme power is actually or nominally lodged in a monarch. Compare absolute monarchy, limited monarchy.
2. supreme power or sovereignty held by a single person.

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#46263 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
How am I moving the goalposts when you claim that Britain, as a result of having a monarchy, is not a democracy?
No one is sure what you are doing.

Including those that insist no one is pretending the UK is other than a monarchy.

Yet you do it every day.

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#46264 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
Have you paid no attention to history in France?
Is France a monarchy, yes or no?

Is the USA a monarchy, yes or no?

Is the United Kingdom a monarchy, yes or no?

Is Sweden a monarchy, yes or no?
SupaAFC

Leeds, UK

#46265 Jan 15, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
mon·ar·chy
noun \&#712;mä-n&#601;r-k &#275; also -&#716;när-\
plural mon·ar·chies
Definition of MONARCHY
1: undivided rule or absolute sovereignty by a single person
2: a nation or state having a monarchical government
3: a government having a hereditary chief of state with life tenure and powers varying from nominal to absolute
See monarchy defined for English-language learners »
See monarchy defined for kids »
de·moc·ra·cy
/di&#712;mäkr&#601;s &#275;/
Noun
A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.
A state governed in such a way.

The British people elect MPs. MPs create legislation. The Queen rubber stamps bills (Royal Assent has not been refused in over 300 years because it is nothing but a ceremonial act).

Conclusion: Britain is a democratic country with a figurehead monarch as head of state.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Refuted dozens of times.
Not even touched let alone refuted. The Queen has done nothing because she knows that her role is ceremonial.

When you see the Queen at the next G8 summit or UN conference, let me know.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Head of state, UK?
A democratically-elected Commons runs the country, UK?
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>No one is sure what you are doing.

Including those that insist no one is pretending the UK is other than a monarchy.

Yet you do it every day.
It really is simple to understand:

Nobody, including me, denies that the Queen is our head of state, or has any powers.

What I am disputing is your absurd notion that it renders us undemocratic, especially when it is obvious to everyone - and yes, I know you know this fully well yourself - that the monarchy of today is nothing but a living relic.

We -have- a monarchy.-Are- we a monarchy? No. A monarchy would have not have a democratically-elected Parliament making legislation that is passed 100 percent of the time.

It really is simple to understand, only that you are deliberately acting the fool.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Is France a monarchy, yes or no?

Is the USA a monarchy, yes or no?

Is the United Kingdom a monarchy, yes or no?

Is Sweden a monarchy, yes or no?
Barefoot posted this in response to my question in regard to whether he has actually read about the political histories of France, America and Britain.

Again, you ran away from a question that required more than "yes or no". How I wish social science was that easy. Instead of asking students to write essays, we could just ask them to write "yes or no" to every question they are asked.

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#46266 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
<quoted text>
de·moc·ra·cy
Thanks for continuing to deny the United Kingdom is a monarchy.

It comes up all the time.

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#46267 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
The British people elect MPs.
Most of the members of the UK Parliament are appointed by the monarch.

Or they inherit.

Still.

Thanks for continuing to deny the United Kingdom is a monarchy.

It comes up all the time.

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#46268 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
The Queen rubber stamps bills
Alreay refuted.

Thanks for continuing to deny the United Kingdom is a monarchy.

It comes up all the time.

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#46269 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
The Queen has done nothing
Refuted.

Who appoints the PM?

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#46270 Jan 15, 2013
SupaAFC wrote:
Barefoot posted this in response to my question in regard to whether he has actually read about the political histories of France, America and Britain.
Is France a monarchy?

Is the USA a monarchy?

Yes or no: Is the United KING_dom a moanrchy?

Thanks for continuing to deny the United Kingdom is a monarchy.

It comes up all the time.
SupaAFC

Leeds, UK

#46271 Jan 15, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Thanks for continuing to deny the United Kingdom is a monarchy.
It comes up all the time.
If Britain is a monarchy then the Queen should have legislative powers.

She does not.

Thus, Britain's system of government is not a monarchy. You lose.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Most of the members of the UK Parliament are appointed by the monarch.

Or they inherit.

Still.
Like the monarchy, the Lords are all-but irrelevant when it comes to political matters. Do I need to remind you of the House of Lords Act again?

But wait - sorry - I forgot that reading actual historical documents about Britain's political development goes beyond "yes or no". We will leave that for the adults.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Alreay refuted.
Really? Then show Queen Elizabeth refusing to give assent to a bill.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Refuted.

Who appoints the PM?
If the Queen decides who the PM is then the Electoral College elects the President. Your literal logic, your literal rules.
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>Is France a monarchy?

Is the USA a monarchy?

Yes or no: Is the United KING_dom a moanrchy?

Thanks for continuing to deny the United Kingdom is a monarchy.
Do they all have governments consisting of elected representatives that draft legislation?
SupaAFC

Leeds, UK

#46272 Jan 15, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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Seems a troll,
why argue with her?
Whack-a-mole. If I have time to kill I have my own loyal manchild troll rehashing easy-to-refute arguments which in turn gets him frustrated. It is a case of building him up then watching him fall into meltdown again.

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