In America, atheists are still in the closet

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YoYoMa

Alphen Aan Den Rijn, Netherlands

#45885 Jan 6, 2013
Of all Christians, The American ones must be the most arrogant. You won't scare me with your biblical passages.

This is a good topic.
Lincoln

United States

#45887 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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http://www.examiner.com/article/refuting-the-...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Re...
Interesting how facts seem to support my assertion and not yours.
wiki is funny but no substitute for academic research

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#45888 Jan 6, 2013
Just Results wrote:
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Very good write up full of truth.
It's what keeps atheists full of fear , anger and rage.
No proof of god, whiney creationist who's trying to sell us morals by lying about atheists.
Lincoln

United States

#45889 Jan 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Among many sources...
"This was the time when Churchill began to think about the need for an 'absolutely devastating exterminating attack by very heavy bombers from this country upon the Nazi homeland.' When on the night of 24 August 1940 the German air force - the Luftwaffe - accidentally and against Hitler's orders - dropped some bombs over London, the British prime minister requested a retaliatory raid on Berlin. Hitler responded by going ahead with the Blitz, and the following months and years saw tit-for-tat raids on each country's cities.
At the same time, Britain's air force began to realise that its bombers were not able to find and hit specific war targets such as airfields or armament factories. An investigation revealed that just one in five aircraft was succeeding in dropping its bombs within five miles of its target. Under such circumstances, the bombing offensive could only be effective if it was directed at targets as big as cities.
Consequently, in February 1942, Bomber Command was instructed to shift the focus onto the 'morale of the enemy civil population'. This new policy came to be called 'area bombing'.
The aiming points thereafter, for bombing raids, were no longer military or industrial installations, but a church or other significant spot in the centre of industrial towns. And since fire was found to be the most effective means of destroying a town, the bombers now carried mainly incendiary bombs.
Thus, the exigencies of war had rendered the traditional distinction between combatants and non-combatants meaningless. Nearly everybody living in an 'industrial town' was considered to contribute directly or indirectly to the German war effort, and had therefore become a supposedly legitimate target"
and
" While Germany refrained from aerial bombing of British cities after the British declaration of war on Germany in September 1939, Britain started aerial bombing of Germany, officially focusing on military and industrial targets, on the night of 15/16 May with 78 bombers against oil targets, 9 against steelworks and 9 against marshaling yards.[11] Oil remained the main British objective until the summer of 1941."
The bombing of Germany was a "second front" by the allies to tie down German forces which could have been used against the Russians.

Germany used terror bombing against Poland Sept. 1, 1939 and a policy of extermination.

Hitlers orders were often verbal and not written down. The bombing of London might have been intentional.

“ecrasez l'infame”

Since: May 08

Atlanta, Georgia

#45890 Jan 6, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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wiki is funny but no substitute for academic research
It's also a good starting point for further research if you use the reference links at the bottom of the wiki article.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#45891 Jan 6, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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wiki is funny but no substitute for academic research
So, you don't like that the wikipedia moderators are strict about citations, and thus remove a lot of your idiotic assertions because of that. Good to know, remind me that you have no evidence of your assertions, so I don't waste time asking.
Lincoln

United States

#45892 Jan 6, 2013
Wikipedia is an open source encyclopedia and thus not a substitute to a visit to a university library.
Wikipedia does not claim to be a source for historical documentation.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#45893 Jan 6, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Wikipedia is an open source encyclopedia and thus not a substitute to a visit to a university library.
Wikipedia does not claim to be a source for historical documentation.
Many universities and professors will disagree with you. The founders and operators require citations of sources, without those, the article is removed. Many professors contribute, and Wikipedia has been heralded as the largest database of factual information and containing the most complete reference material by many universities. Just because the facts disagree with your lunacy, doesn't make the facts wrong.
Lincoln

United States

#45894 Jan 6, 2013
Many professors would not accept wiki. At Yale and Harvard would not use wiki.

It is "open source" often good for movie trivia and Hollywood gossip.

For history Alan Furst, Sir Martin Gilbert etc.

Those who delight in proving with wiki often also defend youtube :-)

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#45895 Jan 6, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Wikipedia is an open source encyclopedia and thus not a substitute to a visit to a university library.
Wikipedia does not claim to be a source for historical documentation.
I'd have to drive quite a ways to get to a "university library" and not real sure I'd be welcome there upon arrival.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#45896 Jan 6, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
Many professors would not accept wiki. At Yale and Harvard would not use wiki.
It is "open source" often good for movie trivia and Hollywood gossip.
For history Alan Furst, Sir Martin Gilbert etc.
Those who delight in proving with wiki often also defend youtube :-)
Interesting that you would not do your research before making a bold assertion like that:

www.lib.montana.edu/digital/wikimedia.php
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/mar/...
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Student_Co...
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/09/07...
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/06/tenure-a...

Notice the trend here? I'll help a bit more:

http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/profes... <-..and the nail in the coffin of your assertion.

The irony being these are all old articles, because when the professors decide to support something, it doesn't make for good news, now does it. Controversy is the sales pitch.

Now onto YouTube:

My favorite channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ucberkeley
http://www.youtube.com/user/yalecourses Oh yes, even Yale.
http://www.youtube.com/user/stanforduniversit...
http://www.youtube.com/user/edinburghuniversi...
http://www.youtube.com/user/universitymanches...
http://www.youtube.com/user/yunghwain99
http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcordiaUni Wow, Kenya has even joined the ranks
http://www.youtube.com/user/AkldUni4Schools
http://www.youtube.com/user/pont660 Let me know when you've seen enough lectures.
http://www.youtube.com/user/harvard What? Harvard too? Are they all crazy?
http://www.youtube.com/user/HarvardBusiness
http://www.youtube.com/user/harvardmedicalsch...
http://www.youtube.com/user/HarvardKennedySch...
http://www.youtube.com/user/HarvardExtension Boy, Harvard's full of themselves, huh?
http://www.youtube.com/user/UMKC Gotta include some of the wannabes.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EmmanuelBoston
....

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#45897 Jan 6, 2013
Lincoln, you may enjoy living in the Stone Age, but most intelligent people eventually move into the modern era. Note that I said intelligent.
Lincoln

United States

#45898 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Interesting that you would not do your research before making a bold assertion like that:
www.lib.montana.edu/digital/wikimedia.php
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/mar/...
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Student_Co...
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/09/07...
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/04/06/tenure-a...
Notice the trend here? I'll help a bit more:
http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/profes... <-..and the nail in the coffin of your assertion.
The irony being these are all old articles, because when the professors decide to support something, it doesn't make for good news, now does it. Controversy is the sales pitch.
Now onto YouTube:
My favorite channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/ucberkeley
http://www.youtube.com/user/yalecourses Oh yes, even Yale.
http://www.youtube.com/user/stanforduniversit...
http://www.youtube.com/user/edinburghuniversi...
http://www.youtube.com/user/universitymanches...
http://www.youtube.com/user/yunghwain99
http://www.youtube.com/user/ConcordiaUni Wow, Kenya has even joined the ranks
http://www.youtube.com/user/AkldUni4Schools
http://www.youtube.com/user/pont660 Let me know when you've seen enough lectures.
http://www.youtube.com/user/harvard What? Harvard too? Are they all crazy?
http://www.youtube.com/user/HarvardBusiness
http://www.youtube.com/user/harvardmedicalsch...
http://www.youtube.com/user/HarvardKennedySch...
http://www.youtube.com/user/HarvardExtension Boy, Harvard's full of themselves, huh?
http://www.youtube.com/user/UMKC Gotta include some of the wannabes.
http://www.youtube.com/user/EmmanuelBoston
....
I admire the work you put into this!
Lincoln

United States

#45899 Jan 6, 2013
RHill wrote:
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I'd have to drive quite a ways to get to a "university library" and not real sure I'd be welcome there upon arrival.
You most likely would be welcome.
Proquest is good for research and available at University libraries.
Lincoln

United States

#45900 Jan 6, 2013
Hedonist wrote:
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It's also a good starting point for further research if you use the reference links at the bottom of the wiki article.
Yes
SupaAFC

Kinross, UK

#45901 Jan 6, 2013
UidiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>BAre foot just put foot in your ..
UK IS a Monarchy!
Then we should not need a Parliament. But, a Parliament exists. Why?
SupaAFC

Kinross, UK

#45902 Jan 6, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Ah... "our" monarchy.
Meaning *your* monarchy, the USA of course is not a monarchy.
The fact that we have a monarchy has little reflection on how our government actually operates. If you were not so intent on dishonestly bending reality to fit dictionary definitions, you would accept this.

All your talk of our monarchy, and the Queen sits in her palace grooming corgis while Cameron and Clegg, democratically elected politicians, run the country. Allow me to welcome you to reality, Barefoot.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#45903 Jan 6, 2013
Lincoln wrote:
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I admire the work you put into this!
Thank you, I tend to research things before I assert them. ;) It's a habit.
Lincoln

United States

#45904 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Thank you, I tend to research things before I assert them. ;) It's a habit.
At the bottom of the wiki page is an evaluation :-)

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#45905 Jan 6, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Many universities and professors will disagree with you.
No, they don't.

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