In America, atheists are still in the closet

Apr 11, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Spiked

So do many other interest and identity groups. Complaint is our political lingua franca: it's what Occupiers, Tea Partiers, Wall Street titans, religious and irreligious people share.

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I wonder what will be the outcome if there is a referendum in 2016? It seems to me that Unionists have the majority at the moment but things may change. The republic may recover to pre crash times making more financial sense for the North going more Nationalist
Anyone who thinks he's got a handle on Irish politics (North or South) is nuts.

Laffin.
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barefoot2626 wrote:
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It isn't out of context to call a monarchy a monarchy.
If you were just calling our monarchy a monarchy, then that would be perfectly fine.

But, you are not just calling our monarchy a monarchy; you are claiming that because we are a monarchy, then we are therefore not a democracy - a totally bogus claim.

That is why your whole argument about Britain's monarchy is inherently dishonest.
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Your excuses are typical of a NotBot who finds my foot up their azzes when they say something stupid like the same definition in the English language from a dozen different sources doesn't mean what it means.
Definitions are meaningless when reality contradicts them. If Britain were truly a monarchy, then our monarchs would be actively involved in our political system, the people would have no say in the government, and the monarchs would be wielding their powers on a regular basis.

Reality: our monarchs do nothing.

Reality: Royal Assent has not been refused since 1707.

Reality: we have a Parliament.

Reality: the Commons, the legislative body of Parliament, are elected by the people.

Reality: we are a democracy.

Face reality, little boy.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The United KING_dom is a monarchy.
The United Kingdom is a typical western democracy with a figurehead monarch.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The KING_dom of Sweden is a monarchy.
Sweden is a typical western democracy with a figurehead monarch.
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<quoted text>SuperFAG cannot admit he is wrong about anything, even when it has been stuffed up his azz.
Barefoot cannot admit that reality contradicts his claims.

We have just entered 2013, Barefoot, not 1613. Time to get with the times.

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If you were just calling our monarchy a monarchy, then that would be perfectly fine.
Ah... so after three months, SuperFAG acknowledges that the sun rises in the east, sets in the west, and that the United KING_dom is a monarchy.

Let's check Barefoot's position on this... oh... it seems that is the very first thing he said on the topic...

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SupaAFC wrote:
But, you are not just calling our monarchy a monarchy; you are claiming that because we are a monarchy, then we are therefore not a democracy - a totally bogus claim.
mon·ar·chy mon-er-kee]
noun, plural mon·ar·chies.
1. a state or nation in which the supreme power is actually ***** or nominally **** lodged in a monarch. Compare absolute monarchy, limited monarchy.

2. supreme power or sovereignty held by a single person.

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de·moc·ra·cy
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Noun

1. A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

2. A state governed in such a way.

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SupaAFC wrote:
Definitions are meaningless when reality contradicts them.
Who is the head of state in the United KING_dom?

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SupaAFC wrote:
Sweden is a typical western democracy with a figurehead monarch.
King_dom of Sweden

Monarchy.

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SupaAFC wrote:
The United Kingdom is a typical western democracy with a figurehead monarch.
There are no typical democracies that are monarchies.

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SupaAFC wrote:
Reality: we are a democracy.
United KING_dom.

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SupaAFC wrote:
Reality: Royal Assent has not been refused since 1707.
Already refuted.

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Reality: we have a Parliament.
More members of the UK Parliament have been appointed (or inherited to that position by a monarchy) than elected.

No matter how hard you stomp your feet.

And the Parliament can be- by law- dismissed by the monarch. For whatever reason he/she feels fit.

PS: the Church of England also appoints members to the Parliament.

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SupaAFC wrote:
Reality: we are a democracy.
Monarchy.

You have a right to your off-based opinions.

You do not have aright to your own facts.

mon·ar·chy mon-er-kee]
noun, plural mon·ar·chies.
1. a state or nation in which the supreme power is actually ***** or nominally **** lodged in a monarch. Compare absolute monarchy, limited monarchy.

2. supreme power or sovereignty held by a single person.

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1. A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.

2. A state governed in such a way.
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Monarchy?
Democracy?

Wishful thinking at best!

The USA is a Oligarchy
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Of course they are. Because believers are a danger to them. Believers do unspeakable things to those who don't think like them. Its bad enough that some humans are unkind to others but its worse when those humans use dark age mythology to justify it. Hopefully one day religion will cease in this world and people will operate on logic. That alone will change the world for the better.
Atheists like Himler, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky.
History classes are offered in high school ...did you drop out?
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barefoot2626 wrote:
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Ah... so after three months, SuperFAG acknowledges that the sun rises in the east, sets in the west, and that the United KING_dom is a monarchy.
Let's check Barefoot's position on this... oh... it seems that is the very first thing he said on the topic...
I have never claimed otherwise. What I am disputing is your absurd notion that our monarchy renders us undemocratic considering our monarchs do nothing whereas our elected MPs in the Commons make all the decisions.

Three months, and Barefoot is still stuck in the middle ages. Time to move on, manchild.

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Atheists like Himler, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Trotsky.
History classes are offered in high school ...did you drop out?
Hitler was Catholic.

I guess you missed a grade?
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Already refuted.
In fantasyland, perhaps, but in reality you ran to the only source that suggested a more "recent" refusal of assent then dropped it like a hot potato when I demonstrated that the point it was making completely contradicts your whole argument about Britain being undemocratic!

"ask the Country"; three words that, to this day, haunt you.

Also, you ran away from another person's rebuttal by claiming that since we can find almost anything on the internet if we put our minds to it, that his/her link is bogus. As a result, you have by your own standard refuted your, and everybody's, use of internet links to support their arguments.

You can't have your cake and eat it, manchild.
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Hitler was Catholic.
I guess you missed a grade?
Alter boy catholic when young,
Hitler was a Nazi,
Gassed Priests and nuns.
Atheists like to believe Hitler was a Roman Catholic.
Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Himler, Eichmann atheists

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In fantasyland, perhaps, but in reality you ran to the only source that suggested
I have to keep reminding you what a monarchy is, complete with definitions- probably fifty times, and I would easily a dozen completely different sources.

And what "appoint" means.

And now you want me to tell you what "ascension" means?
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barefoot2626 wrote:
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I have to keep reminding you what a monarchy is, complete with definitions- probably fifty times, and I would easily a dozen completely different sources.
And what "appoint" means.
And now you want me to tell you what "ascension" means?
Barefoot, even your own definition you posted a few hours ago demonstrates that our monarchy is -limited-. It is constrained to such an extent that our Queen does not make laws anymore, and of the powers that she does have - for instance, dissolving Parliament or giving assent to bills - she only does so when it is necessary in Parliament's case (ie, when the government term has run for five years or wants to call an early election) and has never refused assent.

Your claim that you have "refuted" Royal Assent not being given since 1707 is simply an outright lie. Every time you are called on this and the fact that your source has no support and contradicts your main argument, you run away.

The facts are, Barefoot, that our monarchy does nothing. Our democratically-elected politicians run the show now, and have so for at least 100 years.

Get over it, little boy.
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Lincoln wrote:
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Alter boy catholic when young,
Hitler was a Nazi,
Gassed Priests and nuns.
Atheists like to believe Hitler was a Roman Catholic.
Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Mao, Himler, Eichmann atheists
Even if we were to go along with your claims and assume that all of the above mentioned people were atheists...

... really, what does it matter? They are also all men. Does that men that men in general are evil too?

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