In America, atheists are still in the closet

Apr 11, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Spiked

So do many other interest and identity groups. Complaint is our political lingua franca: it's what Occupiers, Tea Partiers, Wall Street titans, religious and irreligious people share.

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You don`t have to be an Atheist to be a bully, since it`s obviouse that your not yet your being highly offensive to all Atheist yet any person with common sense knows to the judge a whole group of people just by a single member
This person is highly offensive to many, not just Atheist.
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How do you know? You are not an atheist. Nobody said the morals taught in religion aren't good morals. But those morals come from human thought not from god. Organized religion teaches them but didn't invent them. Look at the rest of the animal kingdom. Intelligent creatures like elephants, lions, dolphins and so many other animals show plenty of moral behavior all the time. Morals come from intelligence not from a god.
You are simply a closed minded believer who thinks its your way or the highway.
Since atheists insist that they believe in science and are not following a religion, I would appreciate understanding how the science of mutations and natural selection teaches us that it's wrong to kill a competitor or have dominion over an inferior member of the species. In other words, where does the moral code of an atheist come from?
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<quoted text>The may believe in a moral ode but they cannot describe why they allow their conscience to have any control over their behavior.
Why do I have to describe why. I am fine not knowing. It doesn't change the fact I have a good moral code. Why this desperate need for answers to everything to the point you cling to dark age mythology. I'm a good person. I don't care WHY I am a good person. All I care about is that I am. End of story.
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Mike N wrote:
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How do you know? You are not an atheist. Nobody said the morals taught in religion aren't good morals. But those morals come from human thought not from god. Organized religion teaches them but didn't invent them. Look at the rest of the animal kingdom. Intelligent creatures like elephants, lions, dolphins and so many other animals show plenty of moral behavior all the time. Morals come from intelligence not from a god.
You are simply a closed minded believer who thinks its your way or the highway.
How? I used to be an atheist with an atheist upbringing and a secular approach to rationality, which ultimately led to actually considering where morality is based. It is based in fundamental first truths established by God, Whose Wisdom established compassion and brought the world out of the slavish, diseased, enslaved and horrific activities displayed by atheists and those rejecting God in some way. Atheism has demonstrated more cruelty than any religion, even those forming new religions based on similar hatreds of the moralities set down by God. With the new push by arrogant and intrinsically shallow atheists, we have seen nothing, but what I said in my first post... the degradation of humans and their activities.
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.. Atheists who do have a basic concept of moral behavior have learned it from their Godly heritage....
On the contrary, I am moral in spite of religion.

Religion has nothing to do with morality.

It is religionists who are prejudiced against gays and atheists...
http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/aa011.htm
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HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Since atheists insist that they believe in science and are not following a religion, I would appreciate understanding how the science of mutations and natural selection teaches us that it's wrong to kill a competitor or have dominion over an inferior member of the species. In other words, where does the moral code of an atheist come from?
You manage to confuse atheism with morality! Atheism is non-belief in God.

Our morality comes from nature and nurture.
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I think you misunderstood the statement. I understood the commentator to say mean that morals and values come from Godliness. Atheists who do have a basic concept of moral behavior have learned it from their Godly heritage. However, as newer generations of "Atheists" emerge, their knowledge of good is diminished substantially. Thus causing less and less ability to fully understand morality. Their moral value system is damaged. True goodness is a concept that is cannot be comprehended by Atheists who have never been exposed to Godliness. Professed believers who do not practice godliness are susceptible to the same fate.
Again I will say there are plenty of well adjusted kids being raised in Atheists households. Believers don't give humans enough credit. We don't need to cleave to myths as if they were real in order to keep order. Its like the book Aesops Fables. There are plenty of great fictional stories to teach us good morals but we don't need to take them literally.

Many parts of the bible only teach intolerance and truthfully even if it was treated as fables like it should it teaches some pretty bad things. I'd much rather my kids read Aesops Fables to help them learn morals

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Reason wrote:
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I think you misunderstood the statement. I understood the commentator to say mean that morals and values come from Godliness. Atheists who do have a basic concept of moral behavior have learned it from their Godly heritage. However, as newer generations of "Atheists" emerge, their knowledge of good is diminished substantially. Thus causing less and less ability to fully understand morality. Their moral value system is damaged. True goodness is a concept that is cannot be comprehended by Atheists who have never been exposed to Godliness. Professed believers who do not practice godliness are susceptible to the same fate.
it`s got nothing to do with heritage, it`s common sense not to be bad, not to rob and break other peoples property, not to kill and rape, but some get a rush from doing these things and it has nothing to do with what religion they belong to, and even if it does it dosen`t give anyone the right to stereotype the whole darn religion, agen getting atheist mixed with confused teenagers and people who dont bother to research in what they WANT to beileve in because they simply don`t care, atheists research about religions and then chose weather they do or don`t agree with what they have found, we don`t need a religion we need common sense and a clear mind to live a long and happy life.
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Atheists have no basis for morality of any sort. Anything they adhere to as morality is something they have accepted, or mindlessly absorbed from their religious heritages. Some wordy atheists have struggled endlessly to establish a basis for morality and have always failed miserably.
I see the Bullsh*t flag has been raised and is proudly flapping in the breeze.
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No the problem isn't because "god" is being pushed out of our system. Its a combination of things a major one being the breakdown of the family unit and financial difficulty none which have nothing to do with god, other than for the weakminded who as I said need their hand held in order to hang onto good morals. If god is needed why are there so many solid atheist families with well adjusted children.
Believing themselves to be wise; they have become fools.
Seek truth and wisdom while you yet can. I would rather hear the words "weakminded" here on Earth than to hear the words; "depart from me ye worker of iniquity, I never knew you" When I stand before my Lord at judgement. You will be there. You will remember this conversation. I will also. But, I promise; I will not laugh or scoff.
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Why do I have to describe why. I am fine not knowing. It doesn't change the fact I have a good moral code. Why this desperate need for answers to everything to the point you cling to dark age mythology. I'm a good person. I don't care WHY I am a good person. All I care about is that I am. End of story.
Ahh, the quintessential Existentialist.

You should have gone beyond Sartre and his apologetic Camus to Kierkegaard. The way you have it now, you'd be hard pressed (with your inclination to insult those with faith in something other than failed man) not to stick a fork in someone's forehead because he challenged your arrogant, unfound reason to be.

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This person is highly offensive to many, not just Atheist.
Your clearly stupid
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Why do I have to describe why. I am fine not knowing. It doesn't change the fact I have a good moral code. Why this desperate need for answers to everything to the point you cling to dark age mythology. I'm a good person. I don't care WHY I am a good person. All I care about is that I am. End of story.
In order to be a committed atheist you have to deny God and everything associated with God. Atheistic evolution cannot explain how a man's conscience evolved into existence. You obviously have a conscience, yet you deny the existence of God. You simply refuse to consider your conscience as evidence for God, but exhibit "faith" that a concept of my moral code somehow came into existence without God. Consider this: The very fact that you KNOW that some things are right and some things are wrong completely contradicts atheistic evolution. If there were no God, right and wrong could not exist.
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How? I used to be an atheist with an atheist upbringing and a secular approach to rationality, which ultimately led to actually considering where morality is based. It is based in fundamental first truths established by God, Whose Wisdom established compassion and brought the world out of the slavish, diseased, enslaved and horrific activities displayed by atheists and those rejecting God in some way. Atheism has demonstrated more cruelty than any religion, even those forming new religions based on similar hatreds of the moralities set down by God. With the new push by arrogant and intrinsically shallow atheists, we have seen nothing, but what I said in my first post... the degradation of humans and their activities.
So for you it turned out that atheism didn't work for you. You needed that hand holding. You sadly were not strongminded to find your way without outside help. I am not putting you down for it. But your statement about atheism being showing more cruelty than religion is completely unfounded considering the majority of people over the centuries cleaved to religion.
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<quoted text>You manage to confuse atheism with morality! Atheism is non-belief in God.
Our morality comes from nature and nurture.
If it came from nature (nurture would come from nature), then it would be nothing but vicious, which atheism in its political forms have shown us in the last hundred years by the intentional murders of over 300 Million people, not counting all the innocent young souls your beliefs have killed for convenience.
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EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>You manage to confuse atheism with morality! Atheism is non-belief in God.
Our morality comes from nature and nurture.
Explain yourself... How do mutations and natural selection teach us that it's wrong to kill a competitor?
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EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>On the contrary, I am moral in spite of religion.
Religion has nothing to do with morality.
It is religionists who are prejudiced against gays and atheists...
http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/aa011.htm
Wow! The Rhetoric flies fast and furious here today!
Your links are worthless. The truth will not be found online.
You are nothing "in spite of" anything.
Oten, we do not chose God. He choses His own.
If you are chosen; you will be HIS. If you are rejected; you will continue to do the work of Satan as you currently do.
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Ahh, the quintessential Existentialist.
You should have gone beyond Sartre and his apologetic Camus to Kierkegaard. The way you have it now, you'd be hard pressed (with your inclination to insult those with faith in something other than failed man) not to stick a fork in someone's forehead because he challenged your arrogant, unfound reason to be.
By end of story I did not mean I don't want to continue to debate with you if you wanted to. I was just saying it meaning I did not need to look any deeper into why I am a moral person.
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<quoted text>Explain yourself... How do mutations and natural selection teach us that it's wrong to kill a competitor?
I haven't suggested natural selection teaches that it's wrong to kill a competitor.
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To HTS and Bringmedinner. May I ask if you agree with this statement:
One should only believe anything as far as it can be justified by reason and evidence.

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