In America, atheists are still in the closet

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“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#40282 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The global economy which is taking hits because of the crappy foundation European banks have because of the lack of regulations that allow them to fail.
The global mess is of the **EU** making, not the US.
Wrong

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#40283 Oct 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Wrong
My head is swirling...

COUGH...

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#40284 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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We have around 7,000 banks in the USA and even more savings and thrift institutions.
How many do you have?
Show us the list of people who had money in those banks who lost... let's say a nickle.
PS: In the US, bank failures doesn't mean there's an explosion and everyone is killed and all the money is burned up.
It means the bank doesn't meet with our stricter regulations and they are closed, almost always, the bank is bought up and incorporated by another bank down the street.
Honey, those were not mergers or takeovers, they were bank FAILURES, hence the title of the page.

You see banking is far more strictly regulated in the UK and so far fewer institutions qualify to become banks, certainly we don’t have enough for 6.4% of them to go bust.

What brought on those “stricter US regulations” let me guess, was it fear of what would happen to the world economy, never mind the US economy, if the US bankers took it into their heads to screw the world again.

Honey I personally lost over £80K (not dollars but pounds so it’s around $128/129K at today’s prices) in the banking meltdown. Do you think I have not researched where that money went? Do you really think I have not researched the cause of the collapse? Do you really think that I will be investing in American banks again? Do you really think that everyone is as thick as you?

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

Texas, USA

#40285 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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Of course Israel killed US Navy sailors on the USS Liberty in 1967.
Maybe people attached to backwater shore duty stations had a different perspective on it.
Those of us who served on US warships: not as forgiving.
It is apparently the policy of the United States to be forgiving and it is those policies our military are sworn to abide. You're thinking outside your pay grade.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#40286 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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My head is swirling...
COUGH...
Too much wacky baccy will do that to you, especially if you get the cheap crap they sell at the entrance to your trailer park

“There is no god!”

Since: Jun 12

Södertälje, Sweden

#40287 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The European bank crisis is caused by the lack of regulations of European banks and the lack of stability in European countries is because they built their foundation on the instability of those banks.
Not where i live the eu wants us to give them our money for free

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#40288 Oct 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Honey, those were not mergers or takeovers, they were bank FAILURES, hence the title of the page.
SweetGums: the banks that fail were taken over by other banks, sometimes, literally, banks down the street.

There are over 7,000 banks in the USA and there are more savings and loans. Sometimes: they fail. They fail not because they aren't making a profit, they fail because they do not meet the requirements of the US government in holding what the US government considers *adequate* capital, that they have too much in the way of outstanding loans (or not enough on hand to cover them)- this occurred in over 97 percent of the bank failures.

You will note (if you could read):**NO ONE** lost money held in savings accounts in the USA.

You will note: the US banking system is not on the verge of collapse.

You will note: the USA is not on the verge of collapse, we aren't begging German to come pick up our tabs on bad investments.

PS: BARCLAY's!

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#40289 Oct 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Honey I personally lost over £80K (not dollars but pounds so it’s around $128/129K at today’s prices) in the banking meltdown.
You know how much US citizen's lost from savings accounts in failed banks?

Not a nickle.

Who's fault is it your government(s) don't do a better job of regulating your own banks?

PS: How many years was Barclay's inflating interest rates?

Since: Mar 11

Florence, KY

#40290 Oct 12, 2012
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ChristineM wrote:
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Too much wacky baccy will do that to you, especially if you get the cheap crap they sell at the entrance to your trailer park
SupaAFC

Crieff, UK

#40291 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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There are no citizens in Britain: You are subjects.
Now that is a FACT.
And as "subjects" we vote like you guys do, we shop like you guys do, we work like you guys do, we play sports like you guys do, we argue on internet forums like you guys do, we watch the same movies that you guys do, we hear about the same celebrities that you guys do, we have news stations like you guys do, we can protest like you guys do, etc, etc, etc.

So, for living lives as "subjects", we sure don't seem to have it anywhere near as bad compared to you "citizens".

Could it just be, Barefoot, that you are running with a big red herring?
barefoot2626 wrote:
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And I don't care how you interpret anything: I am not responsible for you jumping to conclusions.
Of course you are responsible. You are the one who wrote the post in vague language!
barefoot2626 wrote:
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There are two houses in the UK parliament. It isn't my fault that you were not aware of this.
Members of the Commons are called MPs and members of the Lords are called Lords. It isn't my fault that you were not specific with which house you meant.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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No is it my fault that you had to LIE when you changed what I said to try to explain away how you got confused.
Not once did I "change" what you said. I read it the same way any British person would.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The Lords who make up the House of Lords are members.
English.
And Lords are selected through numerous nominations or peerage systems, none of which include the CoE as the decision maker.

That includes the Lords Spiritual.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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It is not my fault you are so ignorant of your own government that you were unaware that the phrase "members of Parliament" include (and in fact, more likely since there are more members in the House of Lords than House of Commons) Lords, especially, Lords Spiritual.
Yes, how dare I stupidly believe that when you said "members of parliament" you were not talking about, you know, MPs, but about the Lords instead.

Nobody, Barefoot, buys that you "meant" the Lords. It is beyond obvious that you have changed your argument.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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And it is rather transparent when YOU CHANGED what I said ("members of Parliament") to (capitalized) "Members of Parliament" and then quickly added "MPs" and then insisted that I meant House of Commons.
If I have changed the capitalisation then show me my post where I have quoted you with the letters changed.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You are a liar.
You are the one still pretending that the Lords, including the Lords Spiritual, are appointed by the CoE.

You know, the central point of your red herring argument.
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You can get all your NotBots waving banners but I want you know I am calling you out for the lying pusssy you are.
You can pretend that your ranting and raving about British politics and the CoE is true, let alone even relevant in 21st century society, but I want you to know I am calling you out for the lying pusssy you are.

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#40292 Oct 12, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
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And as "subjects" we vote like you guys do,
ya don't, and I don't have to keep reminding that you don't.

We here vote for the members of both of our houses, and we vote for the head of state.

You don't. You vote only for the members of the lower house, and you do not vote on who will be your PM.

And the members of the House of Lords are appointed or inherit their positions (and appointed by the monarch who is also the head of the state religion).

And the monarch can dismiss the government if she/he is so inclined.

Let me know when you come up with something new...

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#40293 Oct 12, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
Not once did I "change" what you said.
Of course, you are a liar.

E.G.: changing "members of Parliament" to Members of Parliament (MPs).

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#40294 Oct 12, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
You are the one still pretending that the Lords, including the Lords Spiritual, are appointed by the CoE.
No pretense needed.

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#40295 Oct 12, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
Nobody, Barefoot, buys that you "meant" the Lords.
I said it many times.

You can deny it a million times, Sweetgums. Whjat you can't find- no matter how hard you look- is me saying MPs were appointed.

I have things to do, if you could prove it, you would have a month ago.

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#40296 Oct 12, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
Yes, how dare I stupidly believe that when you said "members of parliament" you were not talking about, you know, MPs, but about the Lords instead.
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"Members of the House of Lords"

Your guide to who's who in the House of Lords.

You often hear about Members of Parliament - or MPs - on TV or in the newspapers. Each MP belongs to the House of Commons. But MPs aren't the only people who work in the Houses of Parliament.

There are over 700 men and women who make up Parliament's second chamber: the House of Lords.

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#40297 Oct 12, 2012
All-Party Groups

All-Party Groups (APGs) are informal cross-party groups that have no official status within Parliament. They are essentially run by and for Members of the Commons and Lords.

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#40298 Oct 12, 2012
Members of the House of Lords

Often with long careers in public service, business, arts and culture, or another area of activity, Members of the House of Lords contribute their expertise and knowledge to Parliament and its work.

Find out more about Members of the Lords, including their biographical and contact details. The options in the drop down menu allow you to search the list alphabetically, by political party or group and by gender.

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#40299 Oct 12, 2012
http://www.parliament.uk/

Members of the House of Lords

Find out about their experience, knowledge and subjects of interest.

List of Members of the House of Lords

Members of the House of Lords

Often with long careers in public service, business, arts and culture, or another area of activity, Members of the House of Lords contribute their expertise and knowledge to Parliament and its work.

Find out more about Members of the Lords, including their biographical and contact details. The options in the drop down menu allow you to search the list alphabetically, by political party or group and by gender.

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“ Knight Of Hyrule”

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#40300 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I said it many times.
You can deny it a million times, Sweetgums. Whjat you can't find- no matter how hard you look- is me saying MPs were appointed.
I have things to do, if you could prove it, you would have a month ago.
Barefoot , you are a pretty intelligent guy , and seem to be well informed. My only question is why the trivial pursuit to the love of argument? You seem to love to state these trivial topic peeves and assume a position to defend like Hector.
Just seems an odd demeanor and way to respond to everyone.
I guess you just love a good argument huh?

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#40301 Oct 12, 2012
Aura Mytha wrote:
I guess you just love a good argument huh?
I guess you are here learning to speak English as a second language, huh?

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