In America, atheists are still in the closet

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#40260 Oct 12, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
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"Have so!"
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I interpreted it the same way any average British citizen would.
There are no citizens in Britain: You are subjects.

Now that is a FACT.

And I don't care how you interpret anything: I am not responsible for you jumping to conclusions.

There are two houses in the UK parliament. It isn't my fault that you were not aware of this.

No is it my fault that you had to LIE when you changed what I said to try to explain away how you got confused.

The Lords who make up the House of Lords are members.

English.

It is not my fault you are so ignorant of your own government that you were unaware that the phrase "members of Parliament" include (and in fact, more likely since there are more members in the House of Lords than House of Commons) Lords, especially, Lords Spiritual.

And it is rather transparent when YOU CHANGED what I said ("members of Parliament") to (capitalized) "Members of Parliament" and then quickly added "MPs" and then insisted that I meant House of Commons.

You are a liar. You can get all your NotBots waving banners but I want you know I am calling you out for the lying pusssy you are.

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#40261 Oct 12, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
Then you cannot claim that you "meant" the Lords
Meant?

I am responsible for what I say, not for your edited paraphrase.

The reason you cannot find anything to support your lies is: the quote doesn't exist.

It didn't exist when I challenged you two minutes after you posted it, and it doesn't exist now.

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#40262 Oct 12, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
Members of parliament is synonymous with MPs.
But members of parliament is not.

And the Lords are members of parliment.

And the only way you can CONFLATE them is to paraphrase what I have said- to create sentences where you get to put the phrase 'members of Parliament' when 'members' is capitalized.

You are a liar.

I am not responsible for your ignorance of the workings of your own civil government.

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#40263 Oct 12, 2012
SupaAFC wrote:
I cannot find you stating that you meant the Lords and only the Lords. This should worry you.
You can't find your asscheeks in a phone booth- why would you think I would be worried about what you can find.

I submit: you cannot find the quote because it does not exist.

And I point out: I called you on it the minute you said it.

Funny how that is weeks later... you can't find it.

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#40264 Oct 12, 2012
RHill wrote:
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Hey, Barefoot ... have you ever thought about being a contestant on "I argue like a 5th Grader"?? I think you'd do really well.
I think it's funny that someone comes to a forum for the express purpose of arguing and then he cries then someone who is better at it- someone who has facts instead of uninformed opinions- slaps the snotshit out him, and then he has to cry that someone else likes to argue.

To review: the reason the USSR & the USA went to DefCon3 in 1973 was because Golda Meir threatened to bomb the cities of Cairo and Damascus with nuclear weapons.

I don't need you to confirm it- especially when you say don't remember something that everyone else in the US Navy (and USAF) remembers who was serving when it happened.

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#40265 Oct 12, 2012
RHill wrote:
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Tit for Tat in the Fellatio Wars ... Well Done! Carry on ...
You are tit; Skanque is tat.

To me, it looks like you are tied.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

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#40266 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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I think it's funny that someone comes to a forum for the express purpose of arguing and then he cries then someone who is better at it- someone who has facts instead of uninformed opinions- slaps the snotshit out him, and then he has to cry that someone else likes to argue.
To review: the reason the USSR & the USA went to DefCon3 in 1973 was because Golda Meir threatened to bomb the cities of Cairo and Damascus with nuclear weapons.
I don't need you to confirm it- especially when you say don't remember something that everyone else in the US Navy (and USAF) remembers who was serving when it happened.
Everyone else? Really? You've taken a poll? Amazing. You don't come here to argue? Really? I would think you and an almanac could stay busy for days. My "snotshit" seems to be in place and functional. Perhaps you are being rash. In fact, perhaps it is YOU who has departed the world of reality for some new place. I hope you are treated kindly there.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#40267 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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US bankers are not responsible for the mess in Europe, Skanque, I know: it is your reflex reaction to all your woes... that it must be the US's fault... that you are spending money you don't and creating debt and European banks are required to have close to the capital to maintain stability like they are in the US so we are responsible for the speculation (e.g., Spanish housing bubble) because... because... well... let's see... unstable banks hold up the governments that have rules that allow them to become unstable... so the US is to blame...
hmmmm...
Do let us know when you can come up with a reason, we will take speculation since you aren't close to providing proof.
PS: BARCLAY's.
Donít work like that, we live in a global economy, even governments, hell even the US government acknowledges the cause. Just because you donít simply means you are being your usual deliberately ignorant self, live with that fact. I have offered links to verify what I say, you have offered foockall but your usual rambling BS.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#40268 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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FACTS?
Start with one- explain how the US banks are responsible for the rules in Europe that allow such rabid speculation by the banks that cause entire countries to collapse?
Since we have rules in the US to prevent that from happening... which seems (since the banking system in the USA is the strongest in the world) the banking crisis right now is occurring...where?
Oh yeah, over in Europe.
PS: George Bush is not responsible for speculation in UK & Europe banks. A couple wars and the US recession, yes.
Explain why US banks packaged the toxic debt of the subprime mortgage accounts in normal investments packages and never disclosed that those debts were in the packages. In my book that would be fraud, but in the banking world it was just a gamble the investors took. Those investors got screwed, see the result.

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#40269 Oct 12, 2012
RHill wrote:
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Everyone else? Really? You've taken a poll? Amazing. You don't come here to argue?
You are the one crying about people coming here to argue when you come here to argue, Booby.

Golda Meir threatened to use nukes is a FACT. You having been crying about it for three days.

It is a fact.

Why you continue to stomp your feet and roll around and then you eventually say you don't care and move onto something else: it seems to me like you like to argue, you just aren't very good at it.

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#40270 Oct 12, 2012
RHill wrote:
In fact, perhaps it is YOU who has departed the world of reality for some new place.
In fact, you cannot push me off my points because I do have the facts.

You have the uniformed opinion- which you are entitled to.

Reality?

In this instance, the USA and the USSR went to DefCon3 just as I said.

And for the reason I said.

And people who served then- particularly, those in the USN and the USAF- knew it and did not forget it.

So what we can get from that is: you are a liar.

Because I know and you know- if you served- that when the shit hit the fan anywhere in the globe the military reacts. When there was a *misprint* in a hurricane warning and instead of saying it was 5,000 miles away it was 500 miles away (obviously a misprint)- the USN still had to react as if it were 500 miles away.

Because: that is the way it is in the US military.

So I don't care if you were in a freaking cave if you were in the USN in October of 1973, then you pulled extra guard duty- that even in boot camps instead of one person 'guarding' the barracks there were two, and everyone leaned forward in their stools, even if they were calibrating test meters and not on the front line with the rest of us.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#40271 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The US did not force Europeans to make bad investments and it is not the US's fault that you have such piss poor regulations on your banking system that allows them to gamble away assets that aren't theirs to put on the table.
The US is the victim here: your crappy banking systems are ruining OUR economy, not the other way around, dinguss. Our banks aren't failing- yours are.
The US DID covertly package toxic debt within those investments. Donít get me wrong here, sure they should have been checked. The banking environment would not think of such a thing, it was built on trust. See what happens when you trust an American banker

The US is the victim for deliberately falsifying its investment packages?Ė grow up

US bank failures since 2008
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_bank_fai... (2008%E2%80%93present)

Thatís 25 in 2008
140 in 2009
157 in 2010
92 in 2011
and 39 up to now in 2012
so we have what 453 US bank failures since the start of the financial crisis

Compared to what one (1) British bank, actually not a bank but a building society

So what did you say, I think it was along the lines of

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Our banks aren't failing- yours are
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You complete idiot.

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#40272 Oct 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Explain why US banks packaged the toxic debt
The European bank crisis is caused by the lack of regulations of European banks and the lack of stability in European countries is because they built their foundation on the instability of those banks.

The USA is not on the brink financial collapse; very few US banks have failed (and no one (ZERO) in the US has lost money who had accounts in those banks because we have regulations in place that assure that banks are properly capitalized.

And the Barclay's fraud (no matter how hard you try to divert) had nothing (zero) to do with US sub prime mortgages.

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#40273 Oct 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
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Donít work like that, we live in a global economy
The global economy which is taking hits because of the crappy foundation European banks have because of the lack of regulations that allow them to fail.

The global mess is of the **EU** making, not the US.

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#40274 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The global economy which is taking hits because of the crappy foundation European banks have because of the lack of regulations that allow them to fail.
The global mess is of the **EU** making, not the US.
Armchair politician.

“Blue Collar Philosopher”

Since: Nov 08

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#40275 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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You are the one crying about people coming here to argue when you come here to argue, Booby.
Golda Meir threatened to use nukes is a FACT. You having been crying about it for three days.
It is a fact.
Why you continue to stomp your feet and roll around and then you eventually say you don't care and move onto something else: it seems to me like you like to argue, you just aren't very good at it.
The possession of nuclear weapons is an implied threat. Meir clearly verbalized that threat ... I say WAY TO GO GOLDA!!

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#40278 Oct 12, 2012
RHill wrote:
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The possession of nuclear weapons is an implied threat. Meir clearly verbalized that threat ... I say WAY TO GO GOLDA!!
Of course Israel killed US Navy sailors on the USS Liberty in 1967.

Maybe people attached to backwater shore duty stations had a different perspective on it.

Those of us who served on US warships: not as forgiving.

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#40279 Oct 12, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
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Armchair politician.
Wow- skewered, Septic, absolutely skewered...

cough...

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#40280 Oct 12, 2012
ChristineM wrote:
US bank failures since 2008
We have around 7,000 banks in the USA and even more savings and thrift institutions.

How many do you have?

Show us the list of people who had money in those banks who lost... let's say a nickle.

PS: In the US, bank failures doesn't mean there's an explosion and everyone is killed and all the money is burned up.

It means the bank doesn't meet with our stricter regulations and they are closed, almost always, the bank is bought up and incorporated by another bank down the street.

“I started out with nothing”

Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#40281 Oct 12, 2012
barefoot2626 wrote:
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The European bank crisis is caused by the lack of regulations of European banks and the lack of stability in European countries is because they built their foundation on the instability of those banks.
The USA is not on the brink financial collapse; very few US banks have failed (and no one (ZERO) in the US has lost money who had accounts in those banks because we have regulations in place that assure that banks are properly capitalized.
And the Barclay's fraud (no matter how hard you try to divert) had nothing (zero) to do with US sub prime mortgages.
Wrong

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